Is pan-slavism still relavant in Slavic countries or has it died out yet?Genuinely curious

>not including Romania and Hungary
what a shitty map

haha
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia

>being in union with russia

no thx don't want to be poor forever

>It's autistic shit that only people with 2000 hours in Victoria 2 care about.

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only schizos support it in Russia

It doesn't exists here. However, Poles do not deny they are pure Slavs, but union? Never, especially with Russia.

>This second thing is my inner conviction, complete and overpowering, that Russia never will have and never has had anyone who can hate, envy, slander, and even display open enmity toward her as much as all these Slavic tribes will the moment Russia liberates them and Europe agrees to recognize their liberation! And you needn’t raise objections, dispute my view, or shout that I am exaggerating and that I hate the Slavs! On the contrary, I have great love for the Slavs; but I am not going to defend myself because I know that everything will come to pass exactly the way I have said; and this is not due to the supposedly base and ungrateful nature of the Slavs, not at all-in this sense they are the same as everyone else; it is precisely because such things can happen on earth in no other way. I’m not going to enter into details here, but I know that we certainly must not expect any gratitude from the Slavs; we ought to prepare ourselves for this in advance.

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Nailed it.
The concept itself is so stupid nobody sane actually gives it any thought, one way or another.

No, because unlike pangermanism, panslavism would involve so many countries with a completely different level of development, you know, the economic difference between Ukraine and Czechia is far bigger than between Mexico and the USA. Cultural differences are also huge, despite what people think, it's easy to talk about pangermanism, because Germanic countries have had the same history for the last 2000 years, they were allies or enemies, but they had real contact, cultural exchange etc. Meanwhile, most of Slavic countries didn't have anything to do with each other up to the late 1940s, when we were all bundled up in one economic and political alliance by the USSR and still there was little cultural exchange between them due to their oppressive state policies (you couldn't just visit the neighboring country, especially the USSR).

tl;dr - most of Slavs don't want anything to do with Russia.

Why dont you created Anglo union yet?

It has never been relevant.

You mean the idea of slavic countries being under Russian rule?

No1 wants it actually

Most of them hate Russia

>implying

just take a deep look at yugolsavia.

only butthurt western slavs

>add countries to your poor shithole empire against their will
>surprised when they hate you

Balkans only like Russia because they're nigger tier themselves. West Slavs have something of a civilization going on and can almost be compared to white people.

>it's like wanting to unite all Germanic people into one country.

Nothing wrong with this idea.

>liberate fellow Slavic tribes from the t*rkish menace
>REEEE stop oppressing us, where is my Big Juicy Kara Booga Cock

>liberate
I don't see any turks ruling over pooland or czechoslovakia

dead as dillinger

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Until they start purging anybody with celtic ancestry to purify their reich and australia gets depopulated.

Not him but
You see????
Its only because Russia defended polyaks and czechs

C:

True. Soros liberals are trying to civilize us though.

>West Slavs have something of a civilization going on and can almost be compared to white people
gay prides don't count as civilization

But pooland kicked the shit out of turks despite your best efforts to backstab them. They also put a guy on the russian throne for a few years. Russia was an irrelevant backwater back then.

See? This is exactly what I mean. Primitives from the Balkans live in their own shit so joining Russia doesn't seem like a bad thing.

>Balkans
*Serbs
We actually had a couple of ustaše larpers fighting for ukraine because some četnik larpers were fighting for russia. Wonder what's with them now.

>latvia
>objective opinion on Russia or slavs

Notice this user:
>C:

I wasnt serious

The claim still bears addressing because your compatriots unironically believe things like that.
Does anybody have an objective opinion on anything? If you are unbiased chances are you don't give a shit either.

Fortunately the only place it is "relevant" in are Youtube comment sections under pagan folk music videos.
So no. And overall panslavism never really was popular here because no sane Pole would put his trust in Russia.
also:
NOBLE Sarmatism >>>> peasant p*nslavism

>or pan-whatever anywhere else. It's autistic shit that only people with 2000 hours in Victoria 2 care about.
Surprisingly good post

All slavic countries except the retarded ones already united or gonna be united within European Union

Yuck. Disgusting.

I guess there are people who think it's a thing, maybe some cold war narrative still sticking with them.

You're eastern german.

thank you, but no. And leave your silly labels to yourself.

You are.

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They wish and pretend to be, but they are not, same with Slovenians

>poles
>pure slavs
LMAO

too much kike blood to be considered slavic

How many people do you know with jewish ancestry?

Nigga, that's a bullseye

t. kike

>explain int in one post

Most slavic countries hate Russia so no

A couple of poles and one butthurt bulgarian kike.

It's still present. I have friends who constantly LARP about muh old Belarusian empire. And they mix facts that they were actually Polish and Lithuanian before but claim this was all Belarussian. It's like watching Jow Forums-tards

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>muh old Belarusian empire

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Czechs are bros. Along the Erzgebirge mountains were are very similar, just drinking beer. We are as much Czech as they are us, there are just Eurobeans here. Stop your accusations.

You're retarded.

Pan-Slavism is the same as Pan-Germanism which Hitler used to justify invading and colonizing Europe. It's nothing but an excuse. It doesn't exist. First of all, Slavic is not an ethnic group, it is a language family spoken by many ethnic groups who have nothing in common and hate each other. Russia first used the term Pan-Slavism to justify its Imperial goals of invading and colonizing others. Later, Serbia used to too to invade the west Balkans. When will people realize that people identify themselves based on their nationality, and not language family. Asking this question is like asking when will Germanic speakers unite? What a BS.

there are bretty large communities who are pro pan-slavism

>uniting with other countries just on the basis that we speak languages from the same family group, not even the same language, just similar shit
This is retarded.

>"uniting" in a country/union dominated by undoubtedly the least developed and barbaric nation in the Slavic group
And this is retarded times infinity.

No he has a point.

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>there are bretty large communities who are pro pan-slavism
Where?

I blame the ''youtube educators'' who made youtube educational videos about topics they know absolute SHIT, and don't spend even 5 minutes doing any proper research, just copy paste stereotypical myths from Wikipedia that Slavic people are supposed to be some monolithic ethnicity.

Slavic is a LANGUAGE FAMILY not an Ethnic Group. Bulgarians are of mixed origin, but we speak Slavic language. Most countries are of mixed origin, other than these small Scandinavian countries that are very much ethnically Germanic. Russia for example is ethnically very mixed, and i think the majority there are finno ugric.

I can never understand no matter how much i try how can anybody listen to something from YouTube and just accept it as ''the truth'' and not question it? How can people be so freaking stupid and simple minded, i can never understand. So glad i wasn't born in any of these places.

Why do westerners always think all Slavs want to be ruled by Roosia, even though they know Roosia is nothing but a pile of stinking shit?

It's because people don't really care to put some basic time and research into the topic. It's like when most people think of South America or South-East Asia - "They're all the same, should be one big country."

>but we speak Slavic language.

Well, it's hardly Slavic to be honest. It's like calling English a Romance language just because Latin words make up most of their vocabulary.

I think "Bulgarian languages" should be a separate group, including Bulgarian, Macedonian, Torlakian etc.

Then why ask questions with already preconceived opinions?

When i don't care about a topic, i usually avoid it and don't watch or read anything about it, and if i accidentally do read something, i don't care to remember it, and i would NEVER accept the few sentences i have remembered as accurate and then base my fucking opinion on them.

It's like these people have no fucking common sense? How do their brain works? I just cant comprehend this stupidity.

There might be truth to what you're saying, but it depends on your definition of Slavic language. Proto or Old Bulgarian was a Slavic language, but after the Ottoman occupation, our language was very backward and undeveloped. After the independence from Turkey, we had to massively import words from others, including old Bulgarian words from Russian. Unlike the French or the Russians, we did not translate the words, just directly copy them into the language, that's why Bulgarian today sounds like Spanish and German.

>Why do westerners always think all Slavs want to be ruled by Roosia
>napravdu mysli, že oni znajut o egzistovanju drugih slovjanskyh krajev

Stop using the word westerners in such an incorrect way. Polish and Russians and all of Europe are westerners. Why do you think anyone who isn't Polish or Slavic speaker is a westerner, but slavic speakers are not? You are pissing me off Pole.

> but after the Ottoman occupation, our language was very backward and undeveloped.

Well, as far as I know the typical features that make Bulgarian so different from other Slavic languages already emerged in the Bulgarian Empire in the 12th century (lack of cases, lack of infinitive, articles). The Ottoman rule had a serious impact on your vocabulary, but the changes in grammar predate the Ottomans.

>that's why Bulgarian today sounds like Spanish and German.

Well...it doesn't, I'm sure Polish or Czech have way more loans from German than Bulgarian. And it's not really about some loanwords, just about your grammar. Bulgarian sounds like Russian spoken by a person who doesn't understand how cases work, I can imagine English people who learn Russian sometimes speak "Bulgarian", even though they don't even know about it.

Many of you say that Pan-Slavism is codeword for Russian imperialism. That is wrong.
How do you think Slavs would unite, other than from initiative, even from military intervention of strongest Slavic state, which has enough strength to resist whole world which is restricting us from uniting?!
Should Macedonia, or maybe Montenegro lead this process in your opinion? No. Russia is immense in every way imaginable. Its hands are reaching everywhere. But for its size, this majestic Bear is attacked by pack of hyenas. Russia needs us to remain, and we need Russia to unite, to grow together.
Just like Dostojevski said it; small Slavic nations will condemn Russia and strive towards Europe, but Russia will not evil-remember this, and rather forgive, when finally we all make Slavic Union. (You can read more in his "Writer's diaries")
SLAVS, RUSSIA IS NOT YOUR ENEMY

Btw, it was kinda stupid to take words from Russian instead of Serbian (I can understand Bulgarians didn't really like Serbs in the 19th century but still). Most of Russian words you use in Bulgarian are not typical for South Slavic languages at all.

Everyone knows Poland, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia and Czechia at least.

>Why do you think anyone who isn't Polish or Slavic speaker is a westerner, but slavic speakers are not?

It's not about speaking Slavic. Westerners are just people who were part of the western culture in times when globalization came (so the cold war period), while socialist countries were excluded from it. That's why people in the west know so little about the Slavs, even though a typical American probably knows some Americans of Slavic origin.

It's true that the Bulgarian grammar is more like English grammar, i don't know how that came about.

But literally every foreigner i've met says that Bulgarian sounds like a mixture of Spanish and German/Russian.

What i hate the most in Bulgarian language is the fact that how you pronounce a word is not how to write it, for some words it's like that, but for others it's not. That's where most Bulgarians make mistakes all the time. For example, you pronounce A but write Ъ and often vise versa. I wish they would just simplify the language even more.

>slav union
>karjala
>caucuses

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Actually the conflict between Serbia and Bulgaria started after the independence from Turkey. Russia tried to annex the North Bulgaria, and when it couldn't, it tried to stop Bulgarians from unifying the country, they even made Serbia attack us, that's why after the unification we attacked them back, and ever since then we have been fighting on multiple occasions. Russia has always tried to pin the balkan countries against each other and then take advantage of them.

There is no one western culture, there are may western cultureS. Western Cultures are European cultureS. You are thinking of the Western bloc from the Cold War. The Cold War has ended 30 years ago so stop using that old terminology. Polish culture is a lot more similar to German culture than it is to Russia, or even German is to Italy.

Also, ''Slavs'' is not a monolitthic entity. It is a language family. Stop trying to top different countries into the same group as if we are all the same. Itls a fucking language family. you have your own fucking culture we have our own.

>What i hate the most in Bulgarian language is the fact that how you pronounce a word is not how to write it, for some words it's like that, but for others it's not. That's where most Bulgarians make mistakes all the time. For example, you pronounce A but write Ъ and often vise versa. I wish they would just simplify the language even more.

haha, if you think you have hard spelling, it means you never tried to learn Polish spelling, which is by far the hardest and least coherent among all Slavic languages (but it's based on etymology and hasn't really changed since the 16th century, even though pronunciation has changed a lot).

>Most of Russian words you use in Bulgarian are not typical for South Slavic languages at all.
Half of the Russian vocabulary is not typical for East Slavic languages at all. Thx OCS.
Half of the Polish vocabulary is not typical for Slavic languages at all.

>It's like these people have no fucking common sense? How do their brain works? I just cant comprehend this stupidity.
10% of people have IQ of 83 or lower.
That's 1 in every 10 people out there who is a fucking moron.

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>The Cold War has ended 30 years ago so stop using that old terminology.

But it is still relevant, even though so much time has passed. Western Europe is still very, very different from eastern Europe.

>Polish culture is a lot more similar to German culture than it is to Russia

That's what Poles would like to think but in fact it's bullshit. Deep in our soul we admit we're just catholic Russians, we are basically the same people in terms of culture, behaviour, mentality etc.

>Stop trying to top different countries into the same group as if we are all the same.

I never did it.

>Half of the Polish vocabulary is not typical for Slavic languages at all.

That's exaggeration. Except for German loans, the vast majority of our vocabulary is Slavic, just Polish is the only Slavic language without any OCS influence, so we don't have these Greek loans that are common in Russian, Serbian and Bulgarian and we just use different Slavic words for things all other Slavs use other words, due to OCS influence.

by the way why didn't Poland adopt the Cyrillic? Isn't your language better expressed in Cyrillic?

How exactly? How is a poor shithole like Spain and Portugal better than Czech, Slovakia, Estonia etc? South Europe is poor compared to northwest Europe, and Northwest Europe is poor compared to Scandinavia, and Scandinavia is poor compared to North America. It's not black and white anymore. even Poland is not a rich country, better than most South countries. I think south and north division is better in terms of the economic differences.

I am not Polish, i am just telling you what i' think and heard from others. Polish are very punctual and more reserve, while Southerners are more lazy, layback, loud, obnoxious, and violent. Russia culturally belongs to North Europe.

i meant to say even Poland is NOW a rich country.

Slavs never had colonies, never benefited from slavery. Even Spain and Portugal did.
Russians tried, but quickly lost them. Besides, Russia is hardly European anymore.

>by the way why didn't Poland adopt the Cyrillic?

Because we're catholic and we didn't have anything to do with OCS, orthodoxy etc.

>Isn't your language better expressed in Cyrillic?

Nope, we could adopt for example Czech or Croatian alphabet that are very good for Slavic languages, but we stick to our alphabet because of history.

>How is a poor shithole like Spain and Portugal better than Czech, Slovakia, Estonia etc?

This must be a joke.

> even Poland is not a rich country, better than most South countries

Not at all. South Europeans have accumulated so much wealth for centuries when they were the leading force in the world so we can't be compared to them. Italians are infinitely better off than Poles or Czechs, average Italian streets has more beautiful, historical stuff than an average Polish big city.

>Polish are very punctual and more reserve

But it doesn't make us richer.

>That's exaggeration.
Jak spędzisz weekend?
>just Polish is the only Slavic language without any OCS influence
What are you talking about? Russian and Bulgarian are the only languages with strong OCS influence.

Slav is not an ethnic group, it is a language family spoken by many ethnic groups.

Bulgaria never had colonies? Dude, the 2/3rd of east Europe belonged to us at one point.

Russia never had colonies? Siberia is your colony, half of central Asia was your colony. The original Russian territories were up until the east mountains.

Poland never had colonies? Have you heard of the Polish-Lithuanian Empire?

Every nation had colonies at one point. Of course the countries bordering the Atlantic would have no choice but to look for colonies overseas, while the inner countries were colonizing the inner territories, that's why Germany did not had almost any overseas colonies.

Depends how to define European.

>Jak spędzisz weekend?

It's already going to end

>What are you talking about? Russian and Bulgarian are the only languages with strong OCS influence.

Serbo-Croatian is also strongly influenced by OCS, so are Ukrainian and Belarussian. Even Czech has some influences from OCS due to the Great Moravia era.

In Polish we don't use abstract, "philosophical" Slavic words like "istina" or "vreme" for instance.

I mean overseas colonies. The colonization of the new world.

I can't stand this type of conversation in which i ask a direct question and the other person starts making some non-logical incoherent argument by linking some historical events to the present.

How exactly are South Europeans richer than Northeastern Europeans? Have you been to Greece, Italy, Spain or Portugal lately? Greece is a fucking pithole. 50% of the people live in dirt poverty. The streets of italy are all trashy, smelly and dirty. The people are poor, poverty is everywhere. Czech republic is so much more richer than Italy is right now. Basic facts shows that.

Also, south Europeans were never a ''leading force'' in anything. Italy was a leading force in Europe before the Northerners copied from it, and then Rome collapsed.

You have to stop speaking in such a vague incoherent way.

cz.cityspy.network/prague/features/prague-among-top-10-richest-areas-europe/

Only France, England and Spain colonized the new world. It's because they are bordering the Atlantic. What is that has to do with culture or Europeaness?

Portugal too (Brazil)
They were closer to Roman Empire and that place was probably the most influential in terms of culture. Portugal and Germany to be precise. I mean what are the chances right? Eastern Europe was always kind of backwards in comparison.

>How exactly are South Europeans richer than Northeastern Europeans?

They live in bigger apartments, they have nicer stuff at home, they can afford things we can't afford, they have much better infrastructure, higher wages etc. etc. etc.

>Greece is a fucking pithole. 50% of the people live in dirt poverty.

Are you Ikibey the other way around? Nope, Greeks still live better than people here, you seem to have an exaggerated opinion about Poland. We have some nice cities but we also have a lot of poverty much worse than in Italy (I mean native Italians, so don't post refugee camps here pls).

>cz.cityspy.network/prague/features/prague-among-top-10-richest-areas-europe/

Prague is an exception for obvious reasons. And Czechia is an exception among Slavic countries (so is Slovenia).

>Italy was a leading force in Europe before the Northerners copied from it

It was a leading force for most of the medieval era too. And Spain was like that up to the end of the 17th century.

>Deep in our soul we admit we're just catholic Russians, we are basically the same people in terms of culture, behaviour, mentality etc.
stop confusing mentality of poor with national culture

Germany and Scandinavia were not part of the Roman Empire. The Balkans were part of the Roman Empire. So by ''eastern Europe'' you mean Northeast Europe? Yes, Northeast and North Europe were not, but they inherited the Roman traditions later.

Who and how exactly was backward?