How common is Yugoslav nostalgia in the Balkans? Is there any serious political movement to reunify?

We dont vote because we have nobody to vote for

Yugoslavia was its own thing and not under the Soviet boot like what happened in Poland et al.

kys commieshit

Everything was free in communist Poland: government was giving flats for free, kindergarten were free of charge, mothers didn't have to work at all for 4 years after giving a birth, there was no unemployment, everybody had a job, even if he didn't want it, jobs were not only easy to get but light, not hard like today, people worked without stress, workers could even drink alcohol in workplace. That's why we had a lot of children, because we didn't have to care how to feed them, we didn't have to worry about losing job. Everything back then was so clean, smart and humanist, no degeneracy, no drugs, no emigration to the West, no prostitution, FUCK WE LITERALLY LOST PARADISE!

Fuck, dude, you must understand that soviet economy was completely isolated from western economy. It was not possible to translate value of our economy to dllar. The fact is that back then in communist Poland average Polish working class family had 3-5 children, now it is 1-2. Back then such family didnt have to worry about money , losing job or unemployment, there was no loans, no debts, no banks. Today people dont have more children because they cant afford them

"Za komuny bylo lepiej" (Life was better under Communism) is a common saying among Polish people.

Like, i know people there still blame communism for why Poland is still shit, but seriously, just as an example look what the USSR did in 27 years, it went from a feudalistic, poverty ridden & war torn country that's people had been subject so social and economic divide for millenia to the most powerful country in the world with vast agricultural and industrial capability that was battling off a much more technically advanced enemy to retake half of Europe.

Like, surely if communism could do that in such a short period of time, the much better system of capitalism could have easily made things twice as good in these 27 years post communism?

m8, I'm from Poland and I really miss my local commie bakery.

Best bread and buns I ever ate, plus it's the only place that will sell you food at 2-6 am when you're going back from a party being hungry as fuck.

Food was good,streets were clean, crime was no-existan.Schools had nurse that looked after health of the children.
Everyone had a job and you could go on long holidays(at least two weeks) that were paid by your company in mountain or sea health spa.

It really was breddy good.

I confirm this. In Poland under communisn bread was heavenly compared to today's shit

You could go to a government owned shoe repair business or just see a guy who repairs shoes.

At least in commnunist poland private enterprise was never banned and you were free to do it - the government shat on these in a major way with taxes and legislation but there were private self made millionaires in Poland in the seventies already - the state tolerated them and they were maintaining low key profiles.

Also one other thing - organized crime disappears under communism due to the massive infiltration apparatus the state maintains. It was safer on the streets back then than it is now.

Unironically KYS.

A combined group of the 4 europoors will do nothing more than exacerbate their economic situations

I see a lot of memes about starving etc but I don't understand one thing. Poland had to become communistic when it was betrayed by the West and given to Stalin, but no one was starving. There weren't homeless people, everyone had to work. Now when Poland isn't communist we have more starving people. Not only the homeless starve, but also the ones who work, which is something which didn't happen when Poland was under communists' influence.

I bet Macedonia probably wishes it were still around lmao

fuck commie shit

*spit*

Yeah but muh blue jeans rap music and Coca Cola was totally worth it bro

I do realise that you hate poles but do you really need to bait them this hard? Come on now bwana, show some mercy.

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I envy socialist countries for having free health care, maternity leave, and education. Here, you pay 5-6 figures for that shit when it should be a right. European socialism gets a bad rap, the main flaw was censorship but that is not imperative to the economic system

What has Capitalism done for Eastern Europe?

Population loss, unemployment, decay, promotion of degenerate Western culture like this youtube.com/watch?v=Suwtkui7l0Y?

From where I am sitting, I think I'd take 80s Yugoslavia or USSR anyday over present day Serbia or Bulgaria or Poland.

>to the most powerful country in the world with vast agricultural and industrial capability that was

This is an intentional troll/b8, isn't it.

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>free

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>Jungle monkey food like bananas and coconuts were never popular cuz European White cunt

There's always Venezuela where they have long lines for toilet paper. :^)

Poland Wasn't that bad if you ask someone who actually lived then.
>No one was homeless
>People wanted to spend time together instead of doing it alone
>Family was important (my father went to the UK in 50's and told me that they didn't really care about huge family meetings, you had to be invited in order to visit your family members, in Poland you could do it whenever you wanted and no one would say no to you)
>Women weren't whores
>Religion was important
>Homosexuality was considered as a mental illness and they'd beat you up for being a fag
>Super racist people
Yeah poverty was a problem but no one was starving. It wasn't easy to get something good to eat but c'mon if you knew right people they'd always give you/sell you high quality food without any artificial shit in it. I'd say things like bread and meat were 100x better than the ones in the west.

Food, in Poland, was plentiful and quite good.Meat,bread, eggs, apples,carrots,milk,vegetables-all of this was of excellent quality and cheap.No chemical stuff like today in the West.
Jungle monkey food like bananas and coconuts were never popular cuz European White cunt, they were usually imported in Christmas, tho.
Basic clothing was no problem.But jeans, anything more was considered luxury.
At the end of 80s they was a economic crisis and things like lipstick or Playboy magazine became very expensive.

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I want communism back, I miss the DDR.

The Wall:
Sure, it was hard to get out but even harder to get in. No Muslims, no rapefugees.

Economy:
Sure, there weren't 60 different kinds of chocolate available but there was also no unemployment and people helped each other out instead of trying to bring each other down.

Patriotism:
Sure, we were occupied by the Russians in a way, but patriotism was still encouraged and no one promoted racial and cultural suicide.

Culture:
Poisonous American culture was mostly kept out of the country. No McDonalds, no Hollywood, no SJW degeneracy. The DDR was undeniably GERMAN. Not American degenerate race mixed brown-black Hollywood Niggers working at McDonalds, ads with trannies and queers.

Religion:
Was hard, I admit that. But being a Christian in the DDR was still easier than being a Christian today in a SJW shit hole that is increasingly becoming Americanized. Sure, we don't have gay "marriage" in Germany yet, but it's just a matter of time until we are like the US where you commit a crime if you don't bake those gays their fucking cake.

Downside:
The surveillance was shit, of course. Secret police and everything. But we have the same today. With NSA, CIA, FBI whoever watching. And don't you dare to say a wrong word about feminists or refugees! We arguably have less freedom of speech today.

Also:
The part of Germany that was communist is the part now, were 30.000 people march through the streets to rally against Merkel, mass-immigration, against the Islamization adn the Americanization of Germany. It's the part of PEGIDA, LEGIDA, Björn Höcke, people in Heidenau literally attacking the refugee-protecting police at night and then hiding in their neighbor's houses. West Germany is the "Refugees Welcome" SJW part.

50 years of Soviet occupation has obviously done less damage than 50 years (and counting) of American occupation.

Elders are Yugonostalgic because they had no idea how bad things really were. And long as the idea was that everyone would have a job, people turned a blind eye to ever-growing national debt and shit.

The real truth is that economic prosperity in Yugoslavia lasted about 16 years at most between the end of postwar reconstruction and the high 70s oil prices. By the early 80s, the economy was crumbling and there were shortages of consumer goods.

how come american commies are so obsessed with race politic etc and all that but actual communist countries are/were racist as fuck

This is literal Jow Forums copypaste.

Race and class are tied together in some way.

Yugoslavia also had a ton of money thrown at it by the US and Western Europe, which of course dried up as the Cold War ended and the country became less politically valuable.

None of the above is free, though. We pay for it with our 20%+ taxes. It's just that people are more conscious about the fact and actually chip in for long term benefits. I imagine waves of immigrants will change that mentality and we'll be in the same problem as you Americans in a sense there won't be enough payers in the system to cover everyone.

Jugoslavija- a functioning Socialist state until CIA sabotaged it

>Free healthcare
>Very good healthcare to the extent that people from France, Germany and UK were flying over for operations and procedures.
>Free education
>Brilliant "arts thinkers" and science programmes so advance, they sold rocket technology to both the Russians and Americans
>Free housing
>Comfy and roomy homes easily capable of withstanding the schizophrenic weather that the Balkans endures (freezing winters, boiling summers)
>Comprehensive transport links
>You want to go to the coast? Jump on a train. Need to see your girlfriend's parents in another state? Smooth roads linking city to city.
>Full employment
>Work weighing you down? Enjoy more mandated leave than most countries in Western Europe
>Worried about overbearing external influences?
>Don't worry. Tito is playing both the Yanks and the Ruskies.
>SUCCESSFULLY

America deliberately destroyed Yugoslavia. Read "To Kill a Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia" by Michael Parenti, or listen to him.

youtube.com/watch?v=ApaMIJiOt-c

PET STOTINA godina ne daju nam mira
Ali više niko ali više niko
Ne smije da nas dira

Yugoslavia was an impressive country, and certanly far more impressive than all ex-Yu countries are today combined or they will ever be. For the majority of it's existance it had a powerful capable army, a stable and growing economy and it was more economically "progressive" than any other soviet-satellite state. In my opinion, the closest humanity ever came to true socialism was in Yugoslavia with market socialism (samoupravljanje). Infrasctructure and urban planning that was built during those years still stand to this day and many were the first time to be created in these regions (highways, railroads urban blocks, skycrapers ...). This is so evident that even to this day if you take a stroll down any street chances are 70% of everything you see (including cars) was built during those years. People may say things, but we DID have the highest growth in all aspects in our history during that time.The standard of life was better than it is now and better than whole eastern europe combined. There was a time when Poles and Czechs came to us as cheap labour force, not the other way around. Say what you want, that it destroyed personal and national freedoms, that it was implemented by jews, that it inevetably collapsed, that Tito was a spy. You can't change my mind about the country

And the fucking trains were on time

For all of his legacy and iron fist rule Tito was a badass motherfucker. You have to be to play both the US and USSR. Not to mention his Non-Aligned Movement was a genuinely good idea.

Ok so what's the catch
All of this sounds pretty good to me, why do some people so vehemently against the idea of Yugoslavia 2 (besides race/national reasons)

Yugoslavia was like Ghaddafi Libya... and you know what the CIA did to them...

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

Cute how all that was paid for by oil (hence not really free) and Qadaffi spent 80% of the oil money funding every terrorist group in the world.

Holy shit lmao
You went full tankie, making parallels between Stasi and the FBI/CIA is bullshit too. The latter are nowhere near as competent.

FUCK Yugoslavia and fuck communism. I consider the entire period between 1918 and 1991 to be a long episode of national betrayal of our western European roots with the Turkoarab states of West Anatolia.

If the CIA were as good as Noam Chomsky thinks they are, then we'd really be in trouble.

Among other things, unless this guy is at least 45, he could not possibly have any substantial memory of the commie era in Poland.

>tito dies
>at the same time the economic and oil crisis hits the world
>unstable yugoslavia goes into deep economic crisis
>new politicians cant handle it, they just take loan after loan to cover past debts
>US meanwhile wants to expand into eastern europe
>CIA creates NED and other programs to create "democratic movements" in (enemy)countries
>US pushes yugo via the IMF and WB to allow reforms to the economy, much like today the EU is doing (troika)
>the reforms are neoliberal shit and only fuck up the socialist economy even more
>the NED program meanwhile funds separatism and anti-state movements (from hippies to nationalists)
>everything pops off when albos that migrated to kosovo suddenly want kosovo to be an albanian country
>croats and albanians go on extreme nationalist mode, start harassing serbs
>serbia goes on brutal mode
>slvenia and croatia also dont wanna play this anymore
>everyonenow wants to leave
>the problem is that you have serbs, croats and muslims living allover the country, not in just their respective republics
>ethnic tensions explode
>slovenia and croatia declare independance
>slovenia isnt that important(no serb or croat people there,small country)
>serbs only use slovenia to move the JNA(federal army under their control)up north on croatia, leave slovenia after 10 days of "war"
>croatia and bosnia see most of the war
>US and germany supply weapons to croats and bosnians because serbs want to keep whats left of yugoslavia strong and independant
>you have croats led by tudman
>muslims (bosnians) by izetbegovic
>serbs by milosevic (and serbs in bosnia by kardic)
>croatian serbs lose war(milosevic didnt help them because of NATO)but have big victories in bosnia
>all sides commit warcrimes and shit against ecahother
>US comes in and pushes everyone to sign the dayton accords
>hague tribunal is formed (by NATO and EU)
>serb genrals are to be put on trial for the warcrimes
>croat and bosnian generals are not because they were supported by the US

>at the same time the economic and oil crisis hits the world
Before that, actually. The oil crisis started in 1973.

>slovenia isnt that important(no serb or croat people there

then why does 15% of our population worship allah, eat byrek and kebab, speak an evidently more primitive South Slavic dialect than Slovene and has never seen sunscreen in their entire lives (because they've never needed it)?

Because there are no Serb or Croat people there.

USSR was better at things like social security, jobs, early pension, housing, family, education, military but lacked stuff like dragon dildos and jungle monkey food like bananas and coconuts and gay freedom. The fall was disastrous, many two-way agreements were either met orally or were specifically formulated in such confusing way, that they could be broken. The 90s everything went to shit, nobody trusts nobody, "freedom", people die everywhere, war in Transnistria, war in Yugoslavia, war in Chenya and other regions. Everything nationalized was privatized, everybody got a paper which was like a share from a company, but most people were dumb in this particular field, because the USSR concentrated on agriculture and shit. So the intelligent jews planned it, implemented it in such a way that nobody would understand the real meaning and wealth this tiny piece of papaer offers, then told people that it ain't worth shit, exchanged it for a bottle of vodka, everybody did as there were no jobs. The small group of jews went to control everything. Now Putin tries to seize the power from them and he does a pretty good job actually. The situation now is difficult because of every barrier that the US and its "allies" are putting.

+15 Putintokens for this post.

wtf i love gommunism now

lol

yugoslavia was funded by debt, it could not be sustained

for you, estonians, the czechs, you probably got screwed
i'd argue for russians and slav balkan states it might have actually helped a bit because they were in poor conditions before

Depends where you where, Russia, Ukraine, poland where shit. Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and East Germany were fine. No starvation, healthcare comparable to the west. According to information I've gotten out of my eastern european mom, the education system was actually superior to ours b/c no nigs and higher standards. /polacks would like some of the stuff they tought there. All kids in Czechoslovakia were taught to ski, swim, and handle basic military equipment in secondary school.

why is it ONLY the nigger tier communist states like Poland, Russia, and Ukraine, and the delusional ones like the Baltics, that bitch about communism. From what I've heard from coworkers, Czechoslovakia and Hungary were just fine under communism because their citizens knew what they were doing, and weren't slobbering retards like poles.

My coworkers family lived in Hungary, dumbass. Nobody was starving, you guys had a great education system, you even had the right to set up small businesses. You were doing fine.

My coworker left because she fell for the kike trickery about American prosperity. Basically like all you East European posters. You saw the BMW's, the VCR's, the "freedom". .

A huge reason why people wanted to get out of communism was so that they could have acess to all those "fun" degeneracies that liberal capitalism offered.

>yugoslavia was funded by debt, it could not be sustained
So is the US moron. And so is literally every other country in the world.

right, only the US has never been caught in an inflation spiral for 5-6 years straight

Stop pretending that you're not a Pole

Yugoslav politicians went to the US to seek help. They were told: make these "reforms" and we'll help you.
They did everything, despite the catastrophic economic consequences these "reforms" had on an already failing economy.
When they went back to take that promised aid they were told they won't get anything.
It was pure malicious intent to fuck up the country more than it already was and it becomes perfectly clear at that point they wanted it gone.

Polack here

You were paid money just like everywhere else. The difference was that you couldn't get fired from the job because having a job was mandatory and enforced by law. Unemployed people were harrassed by the police.
In the 70's you could build an entire solid house for 1000 dollars, which is why a lot of people were emigrating to earn dat dolla.

In short, it wasn't biting poverty - you lived well enough, a worker could afford holidays in the balkans or at the black sea every year, an apartment and a car. Nobody was starving and there were no homeless people.

On the other hand everything you had was kinda meh-tier, there wasn't flashy stuff around like dragon dildos and anal plugs like in the west, even communist dignitaries lived in commieblock apartments.

emphasis on 'you could build', as most people built their houses with their own hands, which naturally made them cheaper

You want it back bros?
Here's your price

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flats were literally given to people for free once they qualified for one based on the number of people living in a flat.

You got married? Here, get a 3-room flat for three. You managed to get 5 kids? Here, take a larger flat with 4-5 rooms. Free of any charge. Literally, no charge at all.

Prices on the food were literally token, you could buy something like 100 kilos of meat on an average wage

Nobody lived in a communal apartment in the GDR, that was a Stalinist Soviet phenomenon.

In USSR of the 1950s yes. Not later. And in GDR, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, single family 3 room flats were the standard. Not to mention the symbolic rent, these flats now cost half the average wage to rent. Most people bought them in early 1990s when they were cheap through (but that reduces labour mobility as moving is expensive).

Nobody shared their living space with strangers in Czechoslovakia and in fact most people still live in the same commieblocks.

One thing I like is language preservation. Everyone complained about mandatory Russian in Czechoslovakia, but that was only 1 subject in school. All Czechoslovak programmes used strictly standard Slovak and Czech, the pronounciation there is beautiful, not like modern productions where you have Bratislava-speak with random English words added in. English should be known, but instead of knowing English, the youth adopts random English words into Slovak without actually being fluent in English at all.

Did big queues exist in Yugoslavia?

you mess with the uncle sam bull you get the horns

No.

Stalin era blocks were aesthetic as fuck, it's Kruschev that ruined everything
During Kruschev era, commieblocks were considered a temporary measure, detached housing with single family units was plannned to get built around the late 80s, Soviets thought they'd have enough resources to do that by then. Ironically that's when the country was sabotaged by CIA and collapsed.
Other countries like Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia which were much richer than the USSR managed to build a ton of single family houses through interest-free loans.

most people in Poland would get their own flat from the state eventually, though sometimes you had to wait 2-8 years (depending on the locality).
Beats mortgages.
Also the quality of commie blocks is often better than modern buildings, plus you had parks,shops and schools as part of development.Modern developers don't provide this.

what was your country like under communism? there's very little about you online but i can find a lot about USSR, yugoslavia, east germany, poland but never bulgaria

100 kilos of meat IF there is fucking meat in the stores lmoa

Btw communal apartaments/kitchens were a thing during Khrushchev and Brezhnev too

Commieblocks are only bad because you can't build them and ride housing bubble at the same time so jews hate them.

When Soviet Union begun they gave you free land and they also gave you free commie blocks, but a house you had to buy. Everything is overpriced these days, especially cars and houses. When a country owns all resources and land then things aren't expensive. I seen price jumps after 20000 for land from worthless to 500% more expensive because some mayor decided his son is going to have his shit there. So the purpose was to sold it after they build on it. No such nonsense existed during Socialism. When Yugoslavia started people were mobilized to build, many wanted to help, many build just to help the country and there were regular Socialistic actions where you would plant trees with population effort or clean environment. Everybody plants couple of trees of puts couple of bricks you see the difference.

my bulgars lived in bulgaria during the 70s and 80s. they say it was pretty good. low crime, gypsy faggots worked, everyone had a roof over their heads. shit like that. people were socially conservative. no gay marxist shit like faggots and niggers being promoted in any communist country. arguably degeneracy was much more rampant in the west.
youtube.com/watch?v=UpnAdVhfosY

some stuff was a hastle though. my dad waited so long to get a car that socialism collapsed by the time he even got it, lol.

idk to me ussr was more economically left national socialism and without the emphasis on ethnic shit because ussr was mutt tier.

the only people who truly suffer from authoritarian socialism are intellectuals and (((intellectuals)))

i'd rather live in eastern bloc in the 60s than west today. maybe i have nice wife and 6 kids. and a cow.

My parents have never mentioned. Lack of variety of goods, yes, shortages never.

>t. Valon Imeri

Shit dess. Queues, kolkhoz farms, 5 years with an electricity shortage (2 hours with electricity and 2 hours without, every day), water shortage in some areas during the 80s and a debt which was paid this century. Also worker/student brigades - you go and work somewhere for free or in extra rare cases for symbolic sums. It's mandatory.

Bulgaria was better under Iron Curtain
>army
Communist Bulgaria:
Mighty, feared, mandatory conscription, respected, able to deport 1.3M Turks without batting an eye
Democratic Bulgaria:
Weaklish weebs can sit at home watching cartoon porn instead of fighting for their country, cannot deport a single turk without getting steamrolled

>population
CB: 9M, above replacement stable fertility rate, would be 11M by now
DB: only 7.2M and dropping FAST, only the gypsies breed while ethnic Bulgarians are dying out

>gypsies
CB: All working, all having received education making their integration easy
DB: unemployed and a burden to society, non-employable as education wise unfit, cannot read and write properly, integration impossible

>crime
CB: crime?
DB: corrupt politicians steal billions from the people and walk free, mafia exists underground and the bosses remain free or receive hilarious convictions, gypsy crimes a problem in smaller populated places

>police
CB: respected, honest and loyal, serving the good cause the police is meant for
DB: corrupt and a laughing stock of the population, ranks image wise around street cleaner and garbage man

>employment
CB: working is mandatory and a duty of the comrade, yet he earns enough to have multiple children which his wife is watching at home
DB: 6% unemployment, has to be a slave for western corporations to live a normal life, can't have kids cause his wife has to work as well

>cost of living
CB: everything is cheap, of quality, domestic and affordable
DB: receives 2nd hand quality western crap, takes loans to buy quality merchandise, food is made in laboratory and is fake and cancer causing

>healthcare
CB: free and good, the state has the responsibility for every comrades wellbeing
DB: expensive Private healthcare, the weak do not receive quality healthcare as Mr. Nosebergs capitalist country doesn't care about them

>education
CB: quality, Bulgars are among the smartest in the world
DB: failure, retards

the bigger the losers, the more common it is

>Is there any serious political movement to reunify?
none whatsoever.

I sincerely hope you stole that copypasta from somewhere and it's not your work. For the sake of your sanity.

What a complete brainlet

Prior to Yugoslavia existing average joe lived in mud shacks, ate shit for lunch, worked in the field and couldn't write or read. Prior to WW2, Yugoslavia was considered the poorest and most illiterate country in entire Europe. By the end of the 70s we were building our own jet fighter planes

in USSR people worked 4 days per week. had guaranteed minimum of 1 month paid vacation. you could take more time off if you wanted.

daily 4 hour lunch break

guaranteed a job

healthcare was free
4+ months of maternity
no taxes, neither was there private taxes in form of "insurance" (car insurance, health insurance)

free high quality education etc

casual sex with co-workers, and cavities were air-tight, pristine, and self-lubricating back then

no 3hr rush hour freeway traffic, people just used public transport were you got hookups with goddesses on a daily

some work was hardcore, some work was symbolic (as a means to employee homeless people)
alot of beauracracy meant more workers, more work meant guaranteed job to all

Note how half his posts are just complaining about capitalist Jews polluting the white Slavic race.

Better refute those arguments than making brainlet replies, because those make you brainlets.

People in Iron Curtain lived better than you dipshit.

A citizen of the Iron Curtain got his own house/apartment/land, a young virgin wife, got to have many kids and pass on his genes, worked less than 40 hours a week, and it was all white people.

A modern worker in a capitalist country like America, could work 40 hours a week, and barely be able to afford a 1-room apartment, and be a fucking incel, or MAYBE date some used-up slut with HPV who will eventually divorce and take the kids + alimony + child-support if you ever actually got married and had kids.

But sure, capitalism isn't the problem.

Capitalism is great.

Gods sake, this shit again? When the fuck will people see past the western propaganda? Even Romanians, the most oppressed people by the Communists, actually preferred the days of Ceausescu (at least before he went completely insane) than whats going on right now

Seriously, when will people stop demonizing the USSR as some 1984 ultra-dystopia and realize that for the average person life was pretty much okay?

>I'm going to waste hours refuting all of this RT pasta

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Okay. His list is bullshit: healthcare was not free - it was paid by taxes and doctors were subhunan compared to the average factory worker. Same with education, just replace doctor with teacher.

Yeah except... how many times?

Life under communism:

*You have no freedom or right to control your own destiny. The state tells you where you can live and what jobs you can have.
*Consumer goods are poor quality and in short supply--it can take months to purchase a bicycle, TV set, or coffee table.
*Jobs are mostly assigned based on your status as a member of the proletarian class such as "worker" or "peasant", or because you have connections to some party bigshot, and you could be denied a job if a member of your family did something politically unacceptable.
*If you complain about anything, you go to jail or a labor camp.
*Religion is either banned or strictly controlled by the state.
*You need permission to travel outside the country.
*Food is poor quality and limited in supply--markets often only have a few items on sale. People literally get sick and experience malnutrition from the shitty diet.
*There are no free elections and government officials do not have to answer to the public.
*All media, art, and entertainment must conform to the state agenda--this includes glorifying the party or the leader and schlocky propaganda art of muscled factory workers while demonizing whatever ideologies/people/countries the party wants demonized.
*The print and electronic media only report whatever news the state wants you to hear while not mentioning what they don't want you to know.
*There is no independent judiciary and you do not have a right to a fair trial or legal representation.
*Hotels and apartments are bugged, so be careful what you say.
*Some cities are "closed" meaning you cannot visit them without official permission.

neat.
so from what im reading about these places you were basically guaranteed the bare minimum, you were guaranteed security as long as you kept in line, but if you wanted to progress or acquire some sort of luxury goods it'd be very difficult

old socialist countries do seem like they were more high cultured compared to the west, all the music i find from that era is a lot of orchestral, jazz, or traditional folk style recordings and ive seen a lot of pics of people going to operas and whatnot while the west was listening to like disco or rap shit. but ive also heard that 80s pop and rock music was very popular in these places like Depeche Mode Judas Priest etc how did that stuff even get in?

also what was todor zhikov the dictator like? anything interesting about him?

the debt thing seems common, makes it seem like a lot of these welfare programs werent sustainable and relied on funny money to prop it up. collectivized farms sound pretty shit desu, but that was more of a stalin era thing right?

>5 year power shortage
i've never heard about, jesus how the hell does that even happen

two mixed opinions though lol

You know that you fucking jews bought up all of out state companies after 1989 for a few cents and destroyed them on purpose? The only good thing after 50 years of communism was that Romania produced everything it needed and was self-sufficient. Today it‘s just a self-service restaurant for you kikes.
I see no difference between kikes and westerners.

most liked that they were safe when they went outside at any hour and in any place. there were no troublemakers. but if you were out at midnight on tuesday you better had a reason for not sleeping for your job the next morning.
you didn't have to bribe a doctor everytime you went for a checkup. there were no bribes, no tips, no premiums, no fees, no deductibles, no insurance scams.
everyone had a job. if you couldn't get a job then the state gave you one.
if you joined the party you got a free apartment. maybe a car. that meant you basically became a snitch and had to report unusual activity in your circle of friends or at work.

ceausescu banned abortion with the aim of boosting the demographics. porn was banned. any degenerate behavior landed you in jail. no pirate beards, no pink hair, no small dress.

You say that, but TBQH Yugo would’ve done even better if it had become part of the NATO sphere than it did as a Soviet bloc member. Tying yourselves to the Soviets and a meme economic system obliterated the entire country when it finally all fell apart in the 80’s. If you had been part of the Marshall plan your economy would be Netherlands level today

How similar is North Korea to Eastern bloc socialism?

So why do you live in America instead of moving to the paradise of Venezuela with toilet paper shortages?

>(at least before he went completely insane)
You mean before he paid off the entire foreign debt of Romania (and was promptly killed in a CIA-organized coup so that the next puppet government can retake all the loans and then some).

The Iron curtain protected the people from Western degeneracy. Imagine if let say Yugo was under Western influence since 1945. It would look like Sweden today.

if you showed the people back in the 80s what Europe would look like in 2018, the Iron Curtain would have never fallen.

Great argument