How de we de-islamize them?

they were.

We don't, they are too much of submisive bitches. They bowed down directly to Arabs (and still do it) while Spaniard rejected Islam after years of occupation

That's bull and you trucking know it.

no you fucking idiot they are not. Do you consider christian syrian arabs western as well? There is more to a people than their religion but I supposed a dumb inbred monkey fucker is incapable of understanding this. Now go peel some bananas and do monkey noises

Les français en ont essayé et c'était un échec

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No, but because they are a tiny minority in the middle of a pile of arabic shit. If, algeria was 90~100% christian, they would be western

>If, algeria was 90~100% christian, they would be western

So Congo is Western?

no, but algerians are white "caucasian", and congolese arent.

By Arab nationalist secularism and expelling degenerate western culture.

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>best part of africa is muslim
kys macaco

well you have european colonisation yet you are still considered barbaric savage niggers.

they are the best part of it because they are almost white, not because they are muslim.
the biggest shithole in africa, somalia, is also muslim

>they would be western
>(((western culture)))

Great so they'd have gay marriage, mass abortion, and gay pride parades where they parade naked men in fetish gear in front of children and encourage transgenderism and paedophile grooming at schools.

the region specially maghrib is slowly becoming less religious

somalia wasn't as shitty historically

the biggest shitholes in africa are south sudan, rwanda, congo, etc. all french and english speaking.

they all have a better hdi than somalia

Going from being 99.9% a theocracy to 99.8% isn't much of an improvement

Political islam is declining rapidly across the Middle east/north africa. It reached its highpoint with ISIS and fizzled out, now everywhere is gradually becoming more politically secular, even saudi arabia and Iraq.

It doesn't mean becoming "less religious". People more or less still believe in God. And it sure as hell doesn't mean becoming more (((western))) God forbid.

I'm pretty sure Iran could be de-Islamisized to a certain degree.

If you unironically think that islam is the reason north african countries are in the state they are in now then you're either underage or have been browsing /po/ for too long,

This guy pretty much sums it up You're neither muslim nor ''sand niggers'' and yet south america is a complete shit hole and arguably even worse than some north african countries

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the whitest parts of south america ie argentina, uruguay and south brazil are better and closer to the western world than any north african country

also, without islam,the north african coast could be something like southern italy or malta

And by islamic i mean the whole culture, architecture and language, not just the religion

Someone shoot this BR he's fucking pathetic.

Why? All you did was insult. Many areas of north africa were important roman senatorial provinces. August of hippona was from algeria. If they weren't raped into islam, they would've been western.

Who says they want to be "western"? Modern western culture is degenerate and disgusting as fuck, you have mass migration, death of white culture, lgbt, degeneracy, indoctrination, gay marriage, trannies, all sorts of disgusting shit.

>african countries is europe

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are in

>He desperately defends the Arab meme religion Mudhammad made up to justify wiping out your entire culture and religion.
Mohammedans "Egyptians" are the most pathetic people on Earth. You get on your knees to appease the Arabs who enslaved your ancestors and extinguished your culture and identity as Egyptians. Do you feel even the slightest spark of defiance or is the Nasser brainwashing too complete?

>Mohammedans "Egyptians" are the most pathetic people on Earth. You get on your knees to appease the Arabs who enslaved your ancestors and extinguished your culture and identity as Egyptians. Do you feel even the slightest spark of defiance or is the Nasser brainwashing too complete?

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Europe is an arbitrary division, it was produced by cultural boundaries rather than cultural boundaries producing Europe. If North Africans were Christian they would be viewed as being white and would be part of Europe.

Mutt ''americans'' are the most pathetic people on earth, You get on your knees to appease the niggers who you used to enslave and are now extinguishing your culture and identity as americans, Do you feel even the slightest spark of defiance or is obama's brainwashing too complete?

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By that logic, Lebanon is part of europe.

No, they are not majority christian, and it's too arabic-islamic influeced
also, europe was defined as the west of bosphorus strait since the greeks

Lebanon is an enclave in the Middle East, if Turkey and Syria were Christian it would be though

south america isn't worse than north africa, specially not egypt

check your head, ahmed

and north africa has never been part of europe, now you're just switching back to the geographic definition. Lebanon was up till recent decades over 50% Christian, Christians still make up about 40%, so by your logic when it was above 50% christian it would be "part of Europe".

North Africa has never been considered part of Europe, even since Greek times they called the entire continent "Libya".

You have no idea what you're talking about, you've just been embarassing yourself this entire thread and are some alt-righter who enjoys map painting simulators and has no knowledge of history.

south america is subsaharan nigger tier, pablo.

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When i say christian, i mean 90~100% christian with no islamic shit whatsoever 49% islamic is way too high

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>i mean 90~100% christian with no islamic shit

literally no country in europe is 90-100% christian.

At best most are 50%-60% christian with the rest being atheist or muslim.

Anyway christianity is a middle eastern religion just as much as islam is, it has nothing to do with being european or not.

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all those homicides and YET still better quality of life than egypt

no they wouldn't lol
they are 80 IQ shitholes

what makes you think we want italian architecture and language or whatever, just because you have a eurocentric view doesn't mean we are ashamed of our own culture and history, You are seeing things only from YOUR point of view, youd love if we are christians like you and have the same culture but we have our own which you do not relate to or even know which is why it seems awful to you, I could say that your country would be a lot better like saudi arabia and the rich gulf states if it was muslim howd you feel about that?

it has.
of course know most of them secular. but this is a relateively "recent" phenomenom.

now*

i just saw some gay lebanese guy's ig page and he lives on dubai. he's openly gay.

how does that make you feel

What are you implying?

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Based on what? Egypt has a massive divide between rich and poor. North is pure Arab and lives pretty well off in Alexandria and Cairo. South in Sa'id region is basically Sudan or subsaharan africa and that's the cause of most of the poverty in statistics.

dubai is a degenerate colony of poo in the loos and filipinos.

>if you only consider this part of the country then it's y and z
can we stop this meme already

mexico is first world and safer than the us if you only consider some rich people neighborhood in the capital

holy fucking shit you guys cant have a fucking discussion without throwing away insults and getting buttmad

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yeah and it also attracts shittons of arabs from around the region

the fact of the matter is that western culture has established itself literally in the heart of your region and you can't stop it

>mexico
>first world
lol. good joke

learn to read

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>gets BTFO by statistics in every post
>"LMAO y-your just b-butthurt"

you're cherry picking the best part of your country and comparing it to the worst parts of others. Statistically speaking, overall your country is worse than those other countries. You have a homicide rate comparable to a country thats been at a 7 year civil war. Think about that.

It'd be a hundred times easier to socialise the US and capitalise Russia than to rid them of Islam. Islam cultures are ingrained to the center of their bones, which makes it next to impossible to enlighten and civilise them.

what statistics?

there is a sea dividing clearly the continent. europe definition was came long ago before islam. theres no arbitrary border between europe and africa

jesus christ, did you bother to read the first sentence? or the greentext?

>civilise them

You realise civilisation was born in these countries right? Meanwhile in your country, you consider "civilisation" to be kowtowing to the lowest common denominator and completely westernising and abandoning your traditional culture and values.

>mexico is first world

i know you lost your head but calm down

Because he's a paki

>civilisation
>born in north africa

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dumb turk

so you admit that western culture = degeneracy and openly being gay? Why should we want more of that in arab countries? What's the draw?

'no'

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>what is egypt, numidia, carthage, etc.

'Yes'

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>hurr durr im so butthurt. lets call him turk

Are you retarded

...

um, yes? i'm not even advocating for western culture. all i'm saying is that it has already taken hold in your region and it's expanding, meanwhile you seem to think your people are impervious to it, which they're not

i mean you're literally discussing this on Jow Forums with me ffs

>"lmao le dumb smelly brown Ahmed turk"
>"REEEEEEE WHY ARE YOU BEING RACIST TO US DRUMPF WE ARE WHITE!!!"

Dubai is a special case. Its hardly an "Arab" city. Its more like a foreigner outpost that's ruled by Arabs but is only like 19% actual Arabs. It just exists to make money for rich sheikhs, but all the actual people on the ground there are foreigners.

>That image
Do you even have a source for that because as far as i'm aware its fake.

Even though first civilisations were born in North Africa, it's way before Islam came into being. What they need the most is to stop being fixated on Islam and start a Renaissance movement about going back to when there was no such thing as Islam. europeans pulled it off successfully by toppling the church at the end of the middle age. So why can't they do the same thing?

Civilization was born in Mesopotamia, not North Africa

>the middle east is north africa today

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Impossible.
A muslim "abandoning" islam there is punishable by death

Egypt is in north africa, and carthage and numidia are north africa.

If turkey were christian they would aready be in the EU.

>civilisation started in egypt and carthage

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north african civ. was a colony of phoenicia.

the arab civilisations were direct continuations of the pre-islamic assyrian and babylonian civilisations, just like how italian culture was a continuation of roman culture. The relationship between Arabic and Aramaic is like the relationship between Italian and Latin.

And Europe is turning into a shithole today because they abandoned christianity and religious values, that's why they are filled with degeneracy and homosexuality. That's what happens when you totally abandon religion.

The Arab world can achieve a zenith whilst maintaining some degree of religiosity, they did it during the middle ages during the Abbasid and Ummayad era when society was religious but still fairly liberal and open to new ideas. The idea that Arabs must abandon religion completely is nonsense and will never happen, nor do we want it to happen, we do not want to end up like atheist France or Britain where the native population is being replaced by outsiders and where they have no family values and instead have abortion and homosexuality everywhere.

How is that a good thing? The EU is failing, countries are starting to want out, look how miserably they handled the expansion into Greece. An EU expansion into Turkey would be disastrous for both Turkey and the EU, not to mention Turkey would be forced to accept lots of liberal values that are alien to them.

Then why they keep begging to enter it?

They're not? They have pretty much stopped trying for over ten years now. That's why they're expanding relations with Russia and the mideast instead.