The atheists in front of God just after their deaths :

>The world is horrible therefore God does not exist

I mean, what's the other option?
he enjoys tormenting people?
he doesn't care?

>the world exists therefore god exists

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somewhat related
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager#The_Wager

>Pick the wrong religion
>Burn in the real god's version of hell forever
miss me with that christfag shit

God is either an asshole who likes to watch people suffer or he does not have the power to stop suffering and therefore is not all powerful or omnipotent. Either way god is not worth worshiping.

Oh dear you really got me anons. I used to be Christian and had the backing up with why I am one but at least 7 people itt said that he doesn't exist. Thanks for convincing me to the truth guys

Not him but yeah he just could create the world and don't care after that
God is maybe dead now, we don't know. God can be ANYTHING

Like, if we live in a simulation then god can be the simulation itself, that's strange but you understand what I mean

I'm sure you had it all figured out. Thank you for contributing to this wonderful thread.

>I believe in God because some random LARPer on Jow Forums told me to

>I dont belive in the holy word because some redditor told me not to

How do you know there's just one God, most religions feature multiple Gods with most of their stories and events revolving around their actions in relation to other

A pussy.

There is no holy word, I don't share your paticular brand of mental disease because it's a fucking mental disease.

itt: things that will never happen

God wont let you inside his sicrit club if you didnt bootlick him, sounds like a horrible god, or may I say, demon.

pantheism

The kafir in front of ALLAH just after their deaths :

"Euh excuse me I did not know, let me in please. Jow Forums users and christians told me that you did not exist, please"

>there is no way any religion has got it right
Jesus is an actual historical figure. This is what separates us from others.
Sure, Muhammad was a historical figure. But how did Muhammad get followers? By promising to fulfill your sexual and material desires. Remember he had no miracles.
Jesus performed countless miracles in front of thousands. Jesus told his followers: You will not get anything, actually, you are not even allowed to accept any rewards. Your own family will turn against you, everyone will hate you and you will suffer because of me.

Christianity is the truth. Jesus is the way.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ietsism

this bait is too obvious

Deism.

>countless miracles in front of thousands

Then surely there would be evidence.

Or maybe illiterate goat herders who still believe the earth is flat and live their entire lives in a 10 mile radius are really stupid and easy to manipulate, and that is why religion spread so easily thousands of years ago as opposed to today.

Because those are just stories with no real evidence backing them up. With God, there is a ton of actual evidence that He is the one true God. You can find the evidence in the Bible

>Oh hurr Durr the Bible isn't real it's just fairy tales

Well first of all in the context of answering your question about other cultures having multiple God stories, for the Judeo-Christian God all the stuff is written down and there are a ton of writing whereas the other cultures just have their oral traditions.
Also, the Bible is real. The people who call it all a fairy tale clearly have never actually read it themselves and have studied it and looked into its authenticity. There are many reasons why and if you are actually curious you will have to do most of the excavating yourself, but people are finding archological evidence all the time from the stories in the OT which never contradict anything in Scripture. If you say the archology is wrong, then you might as well say the history of ancient civilizations that we know only through archology like Mesomotamia, the Summations, the Aztecs etc are all false because we can determine a lot of their history solely through their archological finds because that's all we have
Also in the NT, specifically the letters of Paul to the various early churches are all agreed upon as being authentic and in these letters describes the nature of God and Jesus more
Like I said there is a ton of evidence out there but you just have to actually study them yourself, something all these "sky fairy" types avoid doing

The evidence is in the gospels! They were written decades after the death of Jesus, decades after the writers had last seen each other!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

Reminder that atheists have no understanding of God. They are unable to conceptualize a God different from marvel superheros.

It's not bait if it's true ;)

>John

Jean*

>if it is written down it is true

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

God is dead. Perish for your love of the superman instead.

who the fuck says this?

But it really wasn't though. Like I said in the post, as if you actually go and study it all for yourself, you will see the actual weight backing up the writings

So for Greek mythology, pretty much all the stories are about the gods dealing with other God's and not actually with many people and there is nothing we can find with these God's dealing with people. However, in the Bible, we see the evidence all the time with God interacting with people like the findings of the Hebrews escaping Egypt, the walls of Jericho collapsing, and numerous inscriptions of the various prophets among much much more that makes the Scriptures actually reliable as oppose to the written down stories of the Greek gods etc w

>believe in a being/entity with zero evidence supporting their existence
>believing that they're a moral entity at that

oof

There are tons of stories with greek gods interacting with people you dolt. And I've read the bible, I LIKE the bible it is absolutely fascinating. That doesn't mean I believe it any more than the Iliad.

You don't seem to understand what makes something a credible source or not. The bible is definitely not that.

Stop using the word "evidence" if you don't know what it means.

What makes the Bible not credible in your eyes?

Evidence - '"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid"
Am I not using this definition correctly? I'm simply taking the available body of facts and information I find to indicate that the things in the Bible are true and valid

>What makes the Bible not credible in your eyes?
see
That is just a start. Another big one is the fact that no historical texts from that time can be considered objective fact. Even much of what we know about the Romans is probably wrong. History is written by the victors.

Just be more skeptical.

>I'm simply taking the available body of facts and information I find to indicate that the things in the Bible are true and valid

aka you're using the bible to indicate that what the bible says is true.

This is why people say Christians are stupid.

>Even much of what we know about the Romans is probably wrong.
Do you have a source on this?

Okay how about we look at this through a different peespective. Let's look at what they actually say in these documents. First off, the four Gospels were written by four different people at different times and locations. And while there may be some differences between them, which is to be expected written by people about 30 years later or so, they all agree on the same thing and one thing that may seem out of context in one Gospel, is explained in another Gospel so even though these are completely different documents written differently and without the other person knowing, they are all still perfectly aligned with each other like a puzzle, something that couldn't have happened if they were all trying to purposely make something up without the collaboration from the others

Yes because the modern religion known as Christianity is the right one. Not one of the other thousand or so that has around since the dawn of man.
Just as likely that I'll end in front Zeus, Odin or any of the other gods man has made up over the years.

Even Christian scholars admit that the gospels were edited before the Bible was completed. I'm not going to bother arguing with a Christian who doesn't even know shit about his own faith. Have a nice day.

Guys, it's a well known jvc bait thread he just posted on Jow Forums after barely translating it...

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>Even Christian scholars admit that the gospels were edited before the Bible was completed
Okay buddy that is gonna need a major source. The Gospels were copied down meticulously and there were/are literally thousands of different copies of these each written in various languages with the only differences being mostly minor spelling errors or different individual pronounciation. Most of these early Christians were Jews and the Jews were meticulous about copying down everything exactly right because because their Scriptures of the OT are like all 98 percent the same throughout two thousand years, with again the only errors being spelling or local pronounciation

If you are tired of responding to me then so be it, but I would at least like to ask for the sauce on Christian scholars saying most of the Gospels were edited before the Bible was written

An Introduction to the Gospels - Michael G. Reddish pg 21-22 (Luke's attempt to link the birth of Jesus to the census of Quirinius)

Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible - Touches on the many contradictions between MAtthew and Luke

Misquoting Jesus - Ehrman -" "the differences among manuscripts have become great, ... [because copyists] either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please."

The gospels are only similar in that they provide a general overview of Christ's life. They have many discrepancies even after editing.

>Jow Forums users
Jow Forums is unironically one of the most Christian sites on the internet, compared at least, to plebbdit, and similar

Thanks for the sources. I will be looking into them

But this general overview of Jesus they supposedly had before editing, do they all agree on his resurrection?

My religion is older than Christianity.
Búrhakká and Eéhkki will embrace me when I die and I will go back into the big worldsprit.

KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK FFEDORA TIPPER BTFO

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>do they all agree on his resurrection?

Of course they did, they we're all either his disciples or associates of his disciples.

You can find four different historians who would say Zeus is the son of Kronos but that doesn't make them right does it?

You have to really mentally retarded to think christianity is distinct or true.

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Literally retarded.

>Of course they did, they we're all either his disciples or associates of his disciples.
There we go that is the key to Christianity. It doesn't matter if even if the the Gospels were heavily edited, if before the edit and each of them said that he resurrected then you know he did and the how isn't really important. It's like the Titanic, some people said she split in two before sinking and some people said she sunk whole. So what was it? Ultimately it doesn't matter all we now is that it did indeed sink. Just like the resurrection, there may be different, varying reports of Jesus, but they all agree on the central tenant of him coming back and that is the main thing that happened

>The atheists in front of God just after their deaths
ill kick his ass for making me ugly

The fact that four people who are among the closest to the foundation of the entire church all believed in the resurrection is still not good evidence. They all knew each other before they wrote the gospels. It's not like four complete strangers all wrote the same thing.

Christians before Shiva:

"Eh excuse me I did not know, let me reincarnate as a human instead of some piece of shit, vulture food worshippers said you were false, please."

Oh wait this is ridiculous. So is your christardism. Now ape your preferred bullshit and kill yourself with a cross stuck in your arse.

I'd like to add that you seem to be oblivious to the fact that these people could have had a motive behind writing the gospels other than altruism. How do we know that they just didn't want power over a group of people who would look to them for advice on how to live their lives?

A peasant who believes living like a slave because when you die it gets better is an easy peasant to rule.

What if you look into the actual lives of these four people as well as the remaining 8 other disciples. Before Jesus, they were mainly simple working folk. After he died, these people cowarded and feared for their lives and hid from the authorities. This is why Peter denied Jesus at first because he was afraid. After Jesus came back and ascended, all these twelve and others close to Jesus went out into the world to proclaim the gospel and 11 of the 12 were tormented and killed for their beliefs. They could have denied it to their tormentors, but they knew it was true so they refused to deny him

Agnosticism or apatheism

You think I don't know that? I was homeschooled in a Catholic family and went to a Jesuit university. I have legitimate reasons behind my lack of faith.

And here we are back at the beginning of the argument: everything you just posted is only recorded in the bible. A book we simply cannot take as plain fact.

After all that how do you have a legitimate reason? I'm not trying to rear you apart I'm genuinely curious

Also, it doesn't say in the Bible that the disciples died this way. Everything written in the NT, except maybe Revelation, was written before their deaths so we get this information about the disciples from non biblical sources

the atheist in front of ME:

"euh please don't hurt me i promise i will pay the jizya PLEASE i have a girlfriend's son to look afte-" *chop*

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Sorry i meant
*João

I think we approach faith from different directions. You need a reason to be told that something is not true, I need a reason to believe that something is true.

I believe that my line if thought is more objective.

And you;re right I was about to correct myself. Only James and Peter(maybe, I think) had recorded deaths in the bible. The rest were recorded much later. We can't completely prove what happened to them either.

I am just a skeptic and don't see a problem with that. I don;t have a problem with Christians believing in God or anyhitng, but when one comes up to me and says he has proof I call bullshit. Part of being faithful is believing despite a lack of any proof. And for that reason faith is something I can't wrap my mind around. It just doesn't work for me.

>Having some sand nigs destroy the byzantine and Sassanian empires, 2 of the strongest empires of history, in a period of ~20 years isn't a miracle

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based and redpilled

That happened because Khalid ibn al-Walid was fucking based and one of the greatest generals in history.

Islam is the correct religion bucko

Okay I think we are coming to understand each other and our arguments a bit more. Now that you mentioned it, it does seem that we have a different approach to faith. Everyone is different so their faith becomes different as well, I can understand your viewpoint

Well it was fun having this arguement with you though and I will be praying for you so that you can believe the way that works best for you!

Yeah it's nice arguing with people and not devolving into shitposting. Enjoy your day christanon.

>byzantine and Sassanian empires
That bled eachother to death and were ravaged by religious tensions before the mud invasion

Deism

Do you guys not experience personal miracles? I thank G-d for making me an israelite

>Battles like these aren't miracles

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>believing in historical estimates of number of troops

inb4 some spaniand comes in and posts ridiculous victory claims from the reconquista.

Still al-Walid was based. Probably in the top 10 generals of all time.

Im coverting to Islam

Refuse and get a black screen of death

>Still believing in bronze age fairy tales in this year of our Lord Jesus Christ

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You're a fucking retard. I realize i'm late but it needed to be said.

>YHWHcucks

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based. KARA BOGA

>Nordic country calling me a retard for believing in the Bible

Sounds about right