Do you think the EU has prevented a war in western Europe?

Hitler didn't get to power through democratic means

>Nazi Germany was democratic
>Putin's Russia is democratic
Not really. They might have started as democracies, which were then eroded from within.

No, the US did

huh i actually agree with italy

No. Western Europe is peaceful because the US is around. It makes going to war incredibly risky since there's a good chance the US will side against you and proceed to fuck you up.

So everyone just sits around in their cuck sheds seething until Eurovision comes around.

yes, the European Coal and Steel Community has been fundamental in maintaining an equilibrium in the western bloc. But NOT because (West) Germany would have moved war against France; rather, it was essential to keep Italy in the western bloc during the cold war, and to coordinate war-related industries with the only, real, supranational authorities ever existed in Europe post WWII.
The actual EU, on the opposite, may unironically be only harmful to peace in the long term if we don't either create another supranational authority for border-related policies and foreign affairs or evolve in a more political union and create a non-NATO non-national army.

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>The actual EU, on the opposite, may unironically be only harmful to peace in the long term if we don't either create another supranational authority for border-related policies and foreign affairs or evolve in a more political union and create a non-NATO non-national army.
explain please

No

The EU and America have prevented war in Europe.
The EU kept countries in the western bloc during the cold war, then pulled former Eastern Bloc countries from the 2nd world to the 1st world. Who knows whatever the fuck would go down in Eastern Europe if they were still in Russia's sphere of influence.
Russia will never dare to attack a country that is in the EU or part of Nato. If it wasn't for these organizations, they would have annexed the baltic long ago. If one of these organizations fail, the other can still give Russia an asswhooping on its own. It's not about infighting between european countries, it's all about Russia, really.

NATO and the USSR stopped any wars from happening
impossible to wage war when nearly every country is in one of two blocs

Russia is a dog that barks a lot but cant bite. What baffles me is that it still seen as somewhat of par with other powers. Sure they have nukes, but so does Pakistan.

Russia still has a lot of trading/soft power in their sphere of influence(including you)

this is irrelevant because we most likely won't dare to confront Russia militarily out of the fear that they would actually use their nukes (highly unlikely, but still)
so unless they outright attack an alliance member there won't be any consequences other than diplomatic/economic

Only 5% of our exports goes to Russia. Actually Netherlands is more dependent on Russian trade than we are

We don't have any reason to confront Russia militarily. What would it gain us?
Russia does that just to boost their internal politics. Just look what happens approval ratings and overall shittiness in Russia. They have a trend

>What would it gain us?
nothing, but the point I was trying to make is that they can get away with something like Georgia or Ukraine, so it's not all just barking

Exactly they would've not done that if they were in the EU and/ or NATO they can just bully smaller countries that cant bite

No

And it will directly cause another one soon

In the future, the sentence "the EU brought its members peace and prosperity" will be met with laughter and derision

i don't want to get involved in war. please leave me alone

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Maybe, but it's about to cause one

Oh yeah because EU is like the USSR. Tanks drive to London since they want out. When will this EUSSR meme end

The way the EU destroys nations is much more insidious than that

Honestly, world wide communication / Internet has probably saved us from some conflicts. It's not so easy to keep people in the dark anymore and when the people can easily communicate with each other accross the world, making enemies is a bit harder.

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Yeah just look at how much damage they've caused to Poland. Poland would be Ukraine if it wasnt for EU support

America did

>What baffles me is that it still seen as somewhat of par with other powers.
This. Their economy is massively underdeveloped and backwards, most of their huge military stockpiles are ancient, demographically they're in a downward spiral. They are less relevant than the UK or France. Russia does have nuclear weapons, a dangerously strong grip on energy exports to Europe, but if it wasn't for the spectre of the USSR still ingrained in so many minds, they wouldn't be seen as big boys like America and China.

no
there's already an undeclared trade war among yurostates

Poland isn't Ukraine because of a peaceful transition and economic reforms in the 90s. Ukraine is Ukraine because of being Russia's bitch for too long.

And the billions of euros being poured there

The fact that you believe this is truly staggering

... to be wasted.
vast majority of the money is being jewed into private hands, everybody is gaming the system for euro neetbux

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