Are europeans really embracing paganism or is it just a meme? Do you know people irl that claim to be pagans?

Are europeans really embracing paganism or is it just a meme? Do you know people irl that claim to be pagans?

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My entire family is "pagan"

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i don't even know people who know people who embrace paganism.
a meme

I am a heathen and have been for years. I personally do not know anyone who shares my religion, however I have friends who agree with most of what I think and say, and they even seem to appreciate it. Again, they aren't religious themselves, but they seem to like learning about it from me, I dunno.

Uh, apart spinning off tracks I guess I answered your questions for whatever percentage group in your eyes I can represent in the matter.

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Retards have been making what they perceive as "science" their quasi-religion for a while now, so you never know.

If by being pagans you mean larping as vikangs and shit like that, no.
If you mean being faithless heathens who literally care more about boozing than reading about some kike on a stick, yes. Nothing new here.

I dated a girl in highschool who was a wiccan.

Big difference between paganism and neopaganism btw. Paganism is umbrella term for indigenous religions like you see in Africa. Neopaganism takes some inspiration from the idea of polytheism but goes its own way especially in Europe where the real pagans converted hundreds hundreds hundreds years ago.

Dunno. I am. Or trying to. I don't talk about it other than my gf and if asked by someone I trust tho, and don't think I'm a "Viking" for believing in some of what some of them believed in. Don't really see how larping that is worse than what larping Mormon or J.Witness is. It's all just rationalizing, even if it's rationalizing based on a 2000, 200 or 20 year old book.
If you don't hurt me, I won't hurt you.

>than reading about some kike on a stick, yes.
edgy, if it wasn't for christianism europe would be a muslim continent by now

Noone even knows what "pagan" is, all religions are shit. Celebrate when the seasons change because the sun is essential to us in the north, but don't make a religon out of it.

>faithless heathens
Doesn't make sense as heathenry is type of faith.

>wiccan
Literally cancer. I hate wiccans so damn much.

>if it wasn't for christianism europe would be a muslim continent by now
Christendom and Islam are the exact same thing developed in different parts of the world. Besides, there are Europeans who have been muslims for some 500 years already. It makes absolutely zero fuck all difference what branch of Judaism you go for, it's still alien to Europe.

>all religions are shit
No, but a lot of people in the west think this only because their universal template for religion, ironically, is that of non-religious cults of Abrahamitism.

>Christendom and Islam are the exact same thing developed in different parts of the world.
Disagree, they are different thing both developed globally. Hell even in middle east used to be Christian up until Arab conquests.

>branch of Judaism you go for, it's still alien to Europe.
Internet is alien to Europe too, even moreso than Indo-European/West Asian stuff.

>Christendom and Islam are the exact same thing developed in different parts of the world
edgy again. Both are abrhamic religions, yes. But that's the end of similarities

>Besides, there are Europeans who have been muslims for some 500 years already

So? What do you mean by this?

It makes absolutely zero fuck all difference what branch of Judaism you go for, it's still alien to Europe.

No. European history was defined by Christendom. It takes very little understanding of history to know this. But I guess U could not expect more from a swede, you guys were always irrelevant to europe in the grand scheme anyways

Even Abrahamic is kinda a meaningless word, all Abraham does is show up and pretend to sacrifice his son. And even there Christian and Muslim disagree about who got pretend-sacrificed. Abraham doesn't make any laws or whatever or anything, I guess he gets circumcised, but Christian and Muslim disagree about if circumcision is necessary or not.

I think it’s bullshit

I don't know anyone who is seriously pagan, of course there are always some usually heavy metal listening people that think pagan religion is badass viking stuff and therefore like to LARP as pagan but in the end most people here simply aren't very religious

>But that's the end of similarities
Not really no. One is heavily arabicized, the other is heavily europeanized. But it's the same foundation and core, and they both come from the same source (jews).

>So? What do you mean by this?
I mean that it makes no difference if Europeans are muslim or christian because either choice is Europeans being something they shouldn't be.

>No. European history was defined by Christendom.
Right, because Europe has only had history for some ~1000 years...
You know, christian impact on Europe has been devastating. Anything you can possibly find in christian Europe to praise is either pagan originally or just something that came with sense of Europeans and not Christendom. Europe was needlessly backwards because of Christianity for hundreds of years before Europeans started being European in spite of Christianity and just did their own thing.

>Even Abrahamic is kinda a meaningless word
It's the umbrella term for cults branched of off judaism, so that's the word we use.

Dude just because some autists on Jow Forums pray to a marvel character doesn't mean that we're all that retarded.

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The sun is at it's highest. We have sown, and soon we will reap. After that comes winter, we hunt älg and huddle inside. That is something to celebrate, the circle of our lives. After us comes our children and does the exact same as we have done.

Indian immigrants?

Europeean peeganism

I don't care much for Varg. He and I are very different and we disagree with a lot, but whatever floats your boat and makes you sleep at night.

Yes, and? How does that equate your statement that religion is shit when Scandinavian religion is literally centered around the very concept of the life cycle?

It's not a religion, just the basic conditons of life. There are no gods to go back to. We live and then we die, but we are part of something that lives on when we are gone. Religion wants total control.

>It's not a religion
I didn't say it was. However, I did say that it is integral to Scandinavian religion. There's a difference there, you know.

>Religion wants total control.
Yeah, no, you don't understand it to begin with. This harkens back to what I said earlier about you equating 'religion' with the abrahamic cults and letting that form your idea of it religion in general is.

What is pagan then? Are we already pagan since we are secular and celebrate non christian holidays?

If you say pagan most people think odin, tor and that shit..

You realise what God someone worships has literally no effect on thier ability to kill someone else right? Europe would have done just fine without Christianity, we would have murdered your ancestors just as effectively in the name of whatever alternative bullshit we could think up.

>Are we already pagan since we are secular and celebrate non christian holidays?
No. There is not spiritual meaning to the act anymore.

>If you say pagan most people think odin, tor and that shit..
>shit
You are really hellbent on seeing anything beyond nothing as shit, aren't you?

Don't bother with the user, he's an edgy "le pagan" Swede.

>U could not expect more from a swede, you guys were always irrelevant to europe in the grand scheme anyways

this.

I agree that most people don't reflect on why they celbrate holidays (3 day weekend!), yet still do it for some "tradition". I know why - beeing part of something is one of our most basal needs. Of course it's spiritual if you want it to be, it's a celebration of what you are and where your place in the world is. Still it's not divine, it's as factual as it could be, no god has created it, it's an acceptance of the world as it is. What about the serf that didn't want to dacrifice his 9th goat or go to the husförhör?

Our way of life is created by those who came before us and the environment where we live, we don't need gods or priests to keep it alive.

>Hell even in middle east used to be Christian up until Arab conquests.

This meme again.

The Eastern Roman Empire areas and north Mesopotamia were majority E.O., O.O., and C.otE. Christians until probably about 1453. That's as long after the Muhammedan conquests as the time between that and the time of Christ.

Notice that the current proportion from those areas, about 15-20 million out of 150-200 million, is after 150-200 years of genocide and reduction of power concomitant growth of Muslim, Jewish and other power. Let's say it was 15-20% bigger than 10% in the 1800s, and therefore 12%. Even if they declined at half the speed before that, then it would've been another 5-6% of 12%, then it was 12.72% in 1700. But it was probably another 15-20% so 14.40%. Then 17.28% in 1550. But doubling this number to account for the growth of other groups and exiles and everything else which happened at the same time then it was 34.56% in 1550, let's assume it was slower/less disadvantaged before that so without doubling then Egypt, Syria, and north Mesopotamia must have been 41.46% Christians in 1400.

Science, man.