Why do people outright deny the existence of a French ethnicity...

Random question. Why do French people sing the national anthem as "Allons enfants de la Patria" and "Contre nous de la tyrannia"?
It annoys the fuck out of me even if it sounds better

The ones in the blue part of the map mostly are. And the ones in the green part are more likely to have Roman admixture instead of Frankish.

My dad is Germanic, my mother is Mediterranean.

Can I be french too?

i dont think that basque would want to be with you

El chlindio

that map is a meme

Still salty that your wikipedia got removed?

we don't actually
we sing patriE and tyranniE
The e is pronounced longer

Obviously there's a French ethnicity, a white man named Jacques Antoine is French, moug'dindu shitskindu is not French.

>Lorraine
>French
It’s ElsaB Lothringen not just ElsaB dumb nigger

You're unfortunately 100% right. It is our ruling class' fault. France is a nation deeply attached to its principles and values however erroneous they might be, and civic nationalism is one of them.

cringy mutt. Off yourself.

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What about a black man born in France called Antoine Leblanc vs a white man also born in France called Antonio Napolitano?

>>>/deutsh/
>>>/strormfront/

>Antonio Napolitano
>Terroni being humans
Found the error

>asserting the existence of French people as an ethnic group is "cringy"
Why? Because I don't perceive the Italian immigrants as truly French?

>>>/oven/

how are the red, blue, purple, orange in your pic "french" and not spaniard, italian/corsian, german etc.

If a Corsian or Catalan is french then so is Mamadou n'golo

If being french is an ethnic group, that you've to remove most of white "french" living near italy/spain/germany that aren't real french

Because immigration from neighbouring European countries doesn't erase the French core of our population. French people exist, and are still the majority.

Whiter than you ahmed

Man I hope your country changes soon. There is still time, but if this doesnt change then France as it is known will cease to exist and basically become Spain.

Well I'd say neither are french

Huh, weird. I always heard it as the Spanish words but that's probably just because my brain is more used to that than French.
But Italians (as long as they aren't terroni) can probably assimilate quite easily? Easier than blacks or middle easterners for certain

>and are still the majority
[citation needed]

Also, in pic related, who was french and who wasn't? Can you explain why?

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France in 1429

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France in 1300 ad, it's that small purple blob.

I guess most of France is german, english, italian, spanish clay.

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All langue d'oïl speakers, regardless of whether they lived in HRE states or France, because they're the ones who ended up creating the French identity.

>lmao lemme post a map of a couple centuries ago and demand someone prove to me where the French were

french= Celto/Mediterranean/Germans.

Aesthetically superior to their neighbours but not a real ethnicity at all.

>t.int expert

Neither, only if you can trace back your ancestry back to Asterix and or Obelix you are French.

According to OP, Louis XIV is spanish-austrian etc. because his ancestors Charles Quint, or Phillip 2 were spaniards-austrian-others stuffs.

19th century historian didn't consider Louis XIV as french, he was called the Spanish king
cairn.info/revue-litteratures-classiques1-2011-3-page-31.htm

kek

If you narrow it down to the former langue d'oïl speaking regions in Northern France, all natives are mostly the same from a genetic standpoint. So what makes us not a real ethnicity?

So if someone became a langues d'oïl speaker, you would consider them French? How is that different to people assimilating today?

Bretons aren't french then? What are they? Same for alsacians?

Who the fuck are you to say who's french or who's not?

A lot of French king, that literally created this country, weren't "french" according to you

>those aren't french because I say so

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that's not 1300

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You can become a langue d'oïl speaker simply by learning French. That's not the point. I only used that term because no one spoke the exact same language in France then.
And assimilation doesn't make you a native of any country. It just makes you an assimilated citizen, but being part of an ethnic group isn't decided by assimilation.
A large part of Brittany spoke Gallo, an oïl language.
>Who the fuck are you to say who's french or who's not?
An actual French person.
>A lot of French king, that literally created this country, weren't "french" according to you
Don't care.

>all natives are mostly the same from a genetic standpoint

No, you're literally making things up.
The ones living near the border of other countries are genetically closers to them than to the other extreme part of France.
Someone living near the italian border will be closer to the italians near

Most of the borders of changed a lot from the roman conquest to the 16th.

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Being from low nobility my family has a little "origin story" as all low noble families have. Can trace my line back to Franks in 900 something. I have a French first name and a Dutch surname. My parents used to attend French church service but I barely speak French because Dutch is easier. Am I a frog?

Someone living near the Italian border before French replaced every language in the country wouldn't be an oïl speaker, so I don't see what that has to do with my argument. If people living in Provence are Italians, then so be it.

yeah it was more like 1000 ad.
Still French borders changed a lot between 500 and 1500 ad.

If "France" lost the 100 years wars, England would be speaking french today btw.

>An actual French person.
You still didn't defined that propely, and langage =/= ethnicity.

>Don't care.
Wait, so the French kings... weren't french? kek. Clovis who created this country according to the national roman, wasn't french because of his frankish roots?
All the kings that ruled France weren't french?

That's right, Clovis wasn't French. He was Frankish.

Because it's true. We have been under democracy far too long, the country is destroyed now.

> the quality of being French supposedly stems from civic nationalism
Yes it does, more than any other nation in Europe. And that's a bad thing. This country is founded on civic nationalism since 1789 and in fact it invented this abomination and spread it to the world, like a virus. France is evil
I completely reject France and French identity as well as "human rights" and Liberty Equality and Fraternity. I refuse to be French. I revendicate White Christian European identity instead. Fuck France, burn it down.

Bourgeois scum

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Because the french are in the middle of Europe, not fully Germanic, celt or mediterranean. Just a mix of 3 different main ethnicities. Nothing new.

Dunno, you might be. It's either that your parents are ouiaboos, or your family has some French heritage.

If french were a genetic group, how do you explain the massive differences in eye colors in that map ? The % of blue eyes vary to an extreme degree between two french regions.

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persee.fr/doc/pop_0032-4663_1972_num_27_2_15022
persee.fr/doc/pop_0032-4663_1970_num_25_3_14630

*snap*

Then the ones who signed the treaty of verdun in 843 weren't french too? France was created by... non-french?

>a mix of ethnicities isn't an ethnicity
>coming from people who used to have an autistic system about classifying just that

Can you explain the huge mtDNA difference between french regions if frenchs were "mostly the same from a genetic standpoint" ?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17536756

Or you don't belive in science?

I am based and redpilled, you have nothing to say faggot

my gf is from french low nobility too and now she gets dicked by an unwashed latino refugee

Your map proves my point because it gets more uniform the more north it gets. Besides, it's a known fact that immigration from the South of France reduced the percentage of light eyes in the North, and that would definitely skew the results. I'm sure that a study from before the revolution would be closer to my views.

If you are not a Gaul you are NOT French

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I thought most french women got dicked by unwashed refugees?

That's right, because there was no French identity then. There were only Gallo-Romance and Frankish people.
French people were born from the mix of the two.
Immigration. The face of France has been changed by immigration from neighbouring European countries, but once again you can't prove that the French core I was referring to earlier doesn't exist.

So Napoleon wasn't French?
Millions of French because of a non-french who ruled them according to you? kek

Are you ever going to stop asking stupid questions? Yes, Napoleon wasn't French, that's what my logic entails.

Who was french and who wasn't in 1180 according to you?

Red? Blue? Yellow?

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I believe I already answered that one. My answer doesn't change depending on who controls a territory.

Being french or not was only a legal matter, as nationality is intrinsically a legal finality since Phillipe Auguste legally created France. (King of the Franks / Rex Francorum -> King of Francia)

You can't really subjectively and arbitrarily decide who was French and who wasn't since Philippe II Auguste who in 1204 officially established that the frenchs were the ones living in Francia and were his subjects.
It's a literal, official, legal fact.

I'll do what I want regardless of historical or current legislature.

>the laws say ethncity isn't real therefore it isn't real !
oh please

well you probably have foreign origins too, name 5 current relevant french famous people that doesn't have foreign origins

You can be French while having foreign origins if you're still mainly French in admixture. So not like Napoleon, who was 100% Italian.

not him but i have foreign origins too (russia), so what ? no of course i will never be french, only french people are french duh

>An ethnic group, or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation

All the french regions because the 19th had different (at different degrees) language, history, culture etc.

At least regionalism make sense. How many % of the population spoke/wrote french in 1800? 20%?

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There's an European ethnicity and then only a French culture.

Let's start by giving Nice and Corsica to Italy and Alsace-Lorraine to GErmany.

Portuguese are whiter than French though.
Fuck off Ahmoud

The only reality is the scientific one, because it's objective truth. The rest is just fantasy.

The reality is that the people who lives in France are mostly a mix of EEMH, WHG and EEF
The concept of ethnicity, regional identity, language, culture, is irrelevant when it comes to really subdivide the western european population, as it doesn't correspond to any genetic reality.

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>« Le fédéralisme et la superstition parlent bas-breton ; l'émigration et la haine de la République parlent allemand ; la contre-révolution parle l'italien, et le fanatisme parle le basque. Cassons ces instruments de dommage et d'erreur. »
some jacobin 2 centuries ago, trying to create a meme identity

Jacobins created this meme french identity 200 years ago. It was a mistake.

Take a look at your football team. It is basically 95% Algerie 5% France.

>tfw people are slowly realising that european national states are actually amalgamations of different ethnicities

France is just one of the most extreme examples. As a general rule, french people are the same as west germans.

>Blue
French

>Yellow
Flemish?

>Top-left Green
Bretons

>Purple/Pink
Germans?

>South light green
??????

>Red
Basque

>Aquamarine
Catalans

>Orange
Corsicans

>be french
>destroy local, native languages
>support teaching immigrant children in arabic
the fuck france?

French identity was created with the massive effort to destroy all the regional identity/culture/language
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France

there is 0 Algerian in the current 11, they're all blacks. You're confusing Senegal and Algeria.

Fuck off I am french

>>support teaching immigrant children in arabic

[citation needed]

You got them all right. Light green is supposed to be Occitans, but that's a meme ethnic group.

ah yes senegal, shit, i got to update my africa map, sorry.

What about the eastern green part that crosses over into Switzerland?

Franco-Provençal.

Was France ever ruled by someone who was really french?

>All the french kings
mix of german, spanish, italian, english etc.

>Napoleon I and III
Italian

>Léon Blum
Jew

>Millerand
jew

>Charles de Gaulle
Netherlands

>Sarkozy
Hungaria-sepharadic jew, not even 1% french

>Macron
english grandma

Even Marine Le Pen is 1/8 arab and not white according to the one drop rule.

Don't listen to These are linguistic areas, not ethnic groups.

The pic is meant to show ethno-linguistic groups in France. That's what its caption was on Wikipedia, and the fact that all of these so-called "areas" are represented by human silhouettes supports that reality.

Because the """"French"""" are a bastard people who speak the language of their conquerors and carry the identity of another set of conquerors who scavenged the corpse of their previous set of conquerors.

it's not a map of ethnicities, but a map of main languages branchs

Flemmish
Celtic (note how a big part of Bretagne actually talked an Oïl language)
Oïl
Germanic
Arpitan
Oc
Basque
Catalan
Corse

Thats a language map, not an ethnicity map.
Ethnicity is way more complex in France.