Why do you not like money biz?

I'm actually kinda curious. If you just look at the coin and ignore all the different shilling on Jow Forums, both positive and negative, this looks like a very promising project. They have several years of working product, which is more than most other blockchain projects have. Mainnet release in the future. Not only business, but research partnerships as well, and several rather unique and new ideas for storing and sharing data in the healthcare industry. Both the development and management teams seem brilliant, though I think the whole rebranding is silly. I'm obviously heavily invested, but I seriously don't understand the hate.

Several years? The ICO was last year. And there is no factual proof any company is using VEN. If someone said some shit coin like centra partnered with jp morgan, wouldn't u think we'd want to see proof? Not just some stupid picture inside a bmw dealership like ven promotes. The reason for the hate is the VENfags are like pre teens playing minecraft in term of excitement. It's annoying and not realistic that one crypto is doing everything, yet doesn't even have a fucking wallet.

Only partnership that really matters is DNV GL
I've chuckled when people FUD about unimportant partnership rumours, misunderstandings and fake announcements. Because the only partnership that would've made a difference anyways is confirmed by DNV GL themselves.
They made me buy VEN in october/november; and sure I've sold now. But it still means Vechain will have an important role in the future.

It already has a huge marketcap though, so I wouldn't rely on much more growth. Maybe 30-50% which is huge. But this is crypto. Only 100%+ is big here for the risk we're taking

>They have several years of working product, which is more than most other blockchain projects have
LOL, that working product is not even a blockchain, so of course it is more than other blockchain projects have. This actually tells a lot about these blockchain "projects"

Vechain's closed source, centralized foundation controlled, proof-of-???, cannot be called a blockchain. period.

people are angry either way

they are angry now because its a great story with lots of vagueness and they dont have the balls to gamble about it

this is objectively whats happening, since noone but the inner circle of that shitty fucking chink devteam can tell what will be happening.
everything is used for FUD and its nice that way, but I for once am willing to take this risk because my volume is low

its honestly a shitty company, and the info is shitty, but if nobody else believes, and if it takes off, I will be rich

HERRO? WAI YUU NO BAI VEECHANG?

This shit is true? why vechain shills forgot to mention that as otherwise they are very strict about informing people about partnerships

check for yourself. It's true, yet we're all kept in the dark. Just like everything else they say, they're working on mobile wallets right now. LMFAO what a fucking joke.

They tried to tie themselves to being a RFID company (although this changes every week) yet still have no mass produced chips and a dodgy looking printer. Don’t fall for the ‘they’ve been alive for years’ meme because besides questionable partnerships they have zero physical product and huge promises to uphold. If they do stick to what they’ve promised then all the best but for now the hype is dying down which is why the price is struggling to hold $4.

price 4,16 rn

Keyword being hold. The past 2 weeks it has always dropped back below. Even before the market crash it couldn’t hold.

I tired to check but could not found any information about any partnerships on their website.

Seriously, why they keep changing the content of their website every two weeks? I clearly remember that they have listed all their 'partners' like a month ago but now all the information is missing?

it's all a front. They wouldn't shut the fuck up about PWC a few months ago. Once everyone figured out PWC china is just a franchise and not a part of PWC. They probably removed it due to the fact that the CHINA HUSTLE movie focused on the scams which were usually backed by PWC china. So they get caught, and so they just bury it b4 people can figure out it's all bullshit.

Help

Shit coin or not, this will hit 110k sats minimum during the next run.

they just call them "use cases" now lmfao
just kill me with this shit, why are chinks so fucking untrustworthy and jerk off to it

Please stop fucking pumping this coin right now. I want to accumulate more in next few days

sludgefeed.com/vechain-a-rebranded-project-to-watch-in-2018

proof of PwC beign there weeks ago. lmao, this sahdy af coin. i know exactly why it was removed. Luckily i sold all my stack before rebrand, not the top but good enough. i used to turn a blind eye the the mass of red flags because i held, but now i do not.

REST IN PISS OP ITS STARTING LUL

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If you guys had just the tiniest amount of brains you'd see right away that pwc. Isn't important or even particularly helpful to a logistics crypto. I held VEN at the time and thought that it was a great normie magnet to have pwc in a partnership, but I didn't really see why there were there. Neither did I believe they could use each other that well. But what the hell. Just wanted the price to rise.
Logistics cryptos will be an amazing addition to the world when they're fully functional.

All the FUD you are saying would be cool, but Luca Crisciotti himself was at the rebranding and signed papers with Sunny. At this point, if DNV GL got scammed so be it, entire crypto scene will be fucked. That's why there is higher probability than 99% other coins that ven is not a scam, because CEO of DNV GL is not an idiot like most on biz

bitshouts.com/vechain-partnerships-ven-dapps/

I literally just dumped my VEN bag before this rise lmao.

I don't care. the coin supply is too high to make any money off it unless you're an early buyer. it's the same story for all the latest shitcoins. 2-3x gains tops before it's at 10 billion market cap and even that's high risk.

what about dnv? larper

>2.2 billion market cap - 4.25 USD per token
>says only 2-3x gains possible before 10 billion market cap
You might want to recalculate that user.

I like money, I just don't like chink scams and pajeets.

>because CEO of DNV GL is not an idiot like most on biz
probably got overhyped by this 'godly blockchain technology' without understanding anything about it. And Chinese are always ready and happy to sell their newest scam to westerns

I'm actually quite confident that I and many others on biz know more about blockchain technology than CEO of DNV GL.

if this is the case then if ven fails then all cryptos fail. all will be worthless

I was talking about all the latest shitcoins with billion to trilling coin supplies you mongoloid. jesus turn down your autism. plus these are ERC20 tokens without their own networks and absolutely do not justify billion+ valuations.

The thing about both the PwC and the DNVGL partnership is that the former CEO DJ Qian was the one who initiated them and contracted them.

there is plain easy to find evidence of this out there, yet vechain still have tried to cover this up and tell an obvious lie to everyone.

really fucking shady.

if all the partnerships are true and they receive more and bitcoin doesnt shit the bed again what the best price this coin can go to EOY?, no ridiculous claims please?

a reasonable, small price of one million dollars

Assuming the following is true for the next run:
>VEN hits 110k sats
>BTC hits 25k USD
Those are both conservative targets for the next run - VEN would be ~$27 in that scenario. 110k sats is a 1:1 Fib extention from the last bull run.

>The thing about both the PwC and the DNVGL partnership is that the former CEO DJ Qian was the one who initiated them and contracted them
links please?, was thinking of going 20% in but honestly cant tell whether your claims are legit or just shitposting.

Notice how EOS has 10x the market cap of VEN, but Vechain receives 10x as much FUD

really makes you think

20 EOY

agreed

dude lol

here is a statement by Vechain denying Dj Qian initiating the PwC partnership or really ever being involved in the project:

medium.com/@vechainofficial/statement-by-vechain-foundation-regarding-fusion-project-61e1e80b5234

Here is DJ Qian presented as CEO of BitSe and Vechain at PwC ceremony: pwccn.com/en/press-room/press-releases/pr-150517.html

Here is DJ Qian live on stage at the Vechain unveilinge vent in 2016, as CEO, no objections by Sunny who follows him: youtube.com/watch?v=38Mid9B6D0o

Here is Dj Qian being interviewer for Vechain by discovery channel in 2016, weird how he would shill and be interviewed as an authority if he had "no involvement": youtube.com/watch?v=QRadvkSS_RU

Here is sunny at the back of the signing ceremony: themerkle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/vesa-signing-ceremony.jpg

here is Dj Qian himself explaining how he owns patents for vechain still and initiated both contracts: i.imgur.com/ZvzX8DU.png

Obviously Vechain foundation and sunny Lu are bending the truth, I can post more evidence but this should suffice.

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Torrent "the China hustle" or Netflix it w/e.
These are super risky investments with no recourse when most of them inevitably exit scam with millions.

Yes, he probably isn't expert in blokchain but it doesn't matter. Company like DNV GL has teams which check milion of things before signing any kind of partnership. I'm not sure if you are aware how a big company works, but it goes through multiple levels of management. Some people checked the technology behind this partnership, others checked if ven is safe, others if regulations are ok, others if everything is legal etc etc. After all of this is accepted, checked and sent to highest levels of management - Luca Crisciotti and others see that everything seems to be ok, so he is ready to go ahead and push this partnership, because a lot of trusted people in his company forwarded this deal. Just in a nutshell

See my other post where I said that the only partnership out of all the rumoured ones that matters is DNV GL.
That's the partnership that got me semi-rich on VEN

Besides: DNV deals with scammy chinamen all the time. They know how to keep them in line

You should email Jim Breyer and tell him to watch China Hustle ASAP or he's about to lose millions. Poor guy, fell for an obvious chink scam even after decades of investing in china.

and why would they exit scam with millions when they can make a legit company and make billions?

no evidence jim spent a cent of his own money to invested in this project. We know hes an advisor, and that is it. could very well have been gifted some of the Vechain foundations lock up for his role.

DNV GL is not using any blockchain technology. Vechain probably sold them some tracking technology that has a 'blockchain' buzzword in it but by no means that is not a blockchain no more than Git is a blockchain.

I do not care if DNV GL is happy about vechain's product but vechain should not be scamming people claiming that their customers are using blockchains because they are not.

This is the problem, all of the venlets are not doing any due diligence waht so ever on their project invstments. They take allthe information from the Vechain foundation directly, dont verify anything. one of the top mistakes when investing in crypto currency. never just accept you investments are safe, like when investing in real companies like apple or google.

I get it, you sold right before the pump. Now go and kill yourself.
In case you're actually retarded IT'S LISTED IN HIS PORTFOLIO ON HIS MOTHERFUCKING WEBSITE. He shilled it on quora way before he became an advisor and he removed a disclaimer he doesn't own any vechain about a week after he posted it.

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salty walty kill yourself while i get rich ahahahahhahahahahahahahaha dumb nigger

lol read above, sold at 68k sats, bought in ack in November so far as im concerned i made the majority of the gains i will ever make with this project already.

once you arent invested its even easier to see red flags.

Maybe you can tell us at what price jim bought and how much, because in my eyes he is married to those chink scammers and is actually becoming scammer himself

>There's a few pajeets still in the red on this shit

If you bought when it was being shilled here you wouldn't even be in the red, even at 2 bucks. I'm green boy and riding this mothafucka all the way up, you can't have my ven, scam or not.

good for you. You remind me of those fags who said ripple/eth/eos or any other top coin had no room to grow beyond 1B marketcap. They even said it about bitcoin at the time. It's a bubble we're speculating on worthless shit anyway. I'm not retarded to hold these bags for 5 years

in a private conversation with him he told me he bought at $9 and sold $2.5 after the crash. He asked me not to tell anyone, because it will ruin his reputation. He also said he enjoys watching cuckold porn

Jow Forums's was shilling long at 10 dollars.

simply above momentum. Have any idea what it takes to move Eth from 1b to 2b marketcap back when entire crypto market cap was about 20billion?

Factor in only top 5 coins ever moved back then.

Now the momentumn needed to move a coin from 2 billion to 4 billion is huge still. going to wait a long time. Same energy and price action required to do that can move a 100m marketcap coin from 100m to 2 billion. its much easier.

no thanks to locking up all my opportunity in this once in a lifetime market for 5 years. Vechain served me well but i dont like it, too many red flags that became apparent only the past 2 months.

onto the next 10x.

You're too retarded to gamble on crypto when you can't even google DNV and blockchain...

DNV platform veracity is “private preview”. Where does it say it's already a working project when they don't even have a fuckin wallet?

Then you can easily provide me some facts about that blockchain. How many blocks does it have? Does it have proof-of-work? What is the mean time between block creation? Who creates blocks and what party verifies them etc?

Please, I'm very interested in those facts.

>how many blocks does it have

the STATE of biz

Holy fucking shit. Either I misunderstood you the first time or you're truly the most retarded specimen I've seen on biz.
DNV doesn't create their own crypto. They want to use Vechain for their logistics from China to Europe. They buy a shitload of stuff and materials every month which they use themselves or sell to their customers

Well well, my claim was that DNV Gl does not use blockchain. Am I right or not?

DNV GL is an international accredited registrar and classification society. What products and "logistics" are you fucking talking about?

>There are several malicious agents trying to dissuade Jow Forums out of good projects and get them into shitty scams like LINK
But why? its some sort of vendetta against imaginary enemies or something more malicious?

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0xbitcoin is the real ven

I don't know if they have implemented it yet but either that or they will. the CEO himself said in an interview to E24 (Norwegian newspaper) that blockchain technology is perfect DNV and they want to use it ASAP

how do you even respond to a question like this?

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it's also easier to see red flags that don't exist outside your mind

you want to portray yourself as some clever investor who timed it just right, and how it's all just an average day's work for you

no matter how much money you acquire, you'll still be seeking validation on cambodian basket weaving forums from rajeets. That's the human condition for you

But vechain has claimed that they have used their working product for years? Now something does not add up but I can't really point my finger to it, hmm.

My conclusion: Vechain foundation is a pile of chink scammers creating shitcoins that no one will ever use.

Veracity is not VeChain's consortium chain you bottom feeding gimp.

You are wrong. Twice. DNV GL have their own private blockchain that they use to store electronic certification as part of their assurance business. In their role as consultants who sell certification, tracking and logistical solutions to their thousands of customers, they put together enterprise-grade packages on the VeChain network for their clients.

He bought low, you shills want us to buy high, that's the difference.
Not buying his bags. Very likely he got in for cents on the dollar.

They help customers with verifying products. What is it not to understand? They even buy fucking frozen food.
I have no idea what Vechain claims. Might be that they said their blockchain have worked for years. According to their roadmap v1 was finished in 2016.
DNV have confirmed that they've used blockchain since 2017 (no specific date)

I like it, that's why I'm not giving it away to scammy chinks.