Is Pan-European identity real or just a meme?

i think its pretty real. Not in the sense this guys dad says but on a more basic level we have alot in common.
Ive travelled alot in the world and anywhere european feels basically like home. We have a shared cultural history and background. From experience it feels like i have more in common with people i met in hungary, spain, poland and finland and everywhere in between, than i did with canadians or americans. We brits have a lot in common with aussies and kiwis but other than that no non-european nation is similar

this
just watched a video of Varoufakis, he made the point that creating the Eurozone before federalizing drove the different European peoples apart (video goes deeper than the title suggests)
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im coming to faroe islands for hiking this summer. tell me what i need to do and know please

You're not European

Are Slavs even humans?

*tips fedora*

>t. never left his council estate in the midlands

just be in torshavn 28-29th july.
that is the only thing that matters

I wish. Tell that to the fucking EU.

>anywhere european feels basically like home
I'm pretty sure you haven't spent more than half a year anywhere. You just went to touristic destinations where everyone appeals to the hodgepodge global faux-American culture and you therefore conclude it's "European" and "like home".

Go spend one or two years in even neighboring France or Spain and you'll notice how different it is, let alone places like Hungary or Bulgaria.

A meme pushed by EUshills to justify their abortion of a supranational institution and the social upheaval it brought with its intrinsic economic unbalances

Just a meme. EU is failed utopia. Bunch of racist eurocunts don't want to live together.

this. even the netherlands is very different to england in a lot of ways, despite being very similar as far as culture goes.

meh, I've spent long periods of time around Europe and even though you start to see the differences after a while the general background is the same

+15 rubles

Here it's not even a meme. Not a concept people ever consider.

+2 cents

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are you a bot? why do keep posting the same non-related pictures of politicians over and over

Yeah, it's almost as if we live in different countries with cultural differences that have persisted for over a thousand years or something! But I guess I'm just a delusional nationalist who can't see the beauty of a post-national and unified Europe.

+5 cents

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this. lived in sweden for two years

>is identity real?

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He probably really is
Or autistic af

No. PAN-european identity will never be anything other than a meme.
REGIONAL european identity, however, isn't a meme.

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>REGIONAL european identity, however, isn't a meme.
Yeah, I can see the Scandi's forming their own federation. I'd like to see the Benelux BLANDA UPP with France and Germany too. Not that it'll ever happen considering the Flemish can barely share a country with the Walloons, let alone the French and Germans.

Scandinavia could certainly work though. Still, all of them together would barely have more people living in it than the Netherlands so it wouldn't be much of a union.

Why do they feel the need to force the whole identity thing when being a political sphere works just fine. I feel close to a particular set of European countries, not close at all to others. But I would help those too over anyone else, because that's how alliances work. You don't have to kill a bunch of cultures because muh globalization.

>when being a political sphere works just fine
It doesn't work "just fine" precisely because there's a democratic deficit due to a lack of identity. There's no way to justify the power of the EU's institutions to the peoples(plural!) of Europe, especially given the people had no say in it when politicians signed away their country's sovereignity for purely economic and political benefits.

Also look up statements of some of the EU's "founding fathers" (holy shit, they even had to steal this fucking term from America) like Monet and Kalergi: the entire point has been, from the very start, to slowly but surely create a superstate. Even modern day idiots like Juncker, Barosso and Schultz have reaffirmed this. Let's not forget American secret services bankrolling EU federalists (most likely to create a formalized anti-Soviet block back in the day).

Sort of real, sort of a meme. There has always been a highly mobile, polyglot, wealthy group of people within Europe; who easily moved about between different countries. For centuries, it was the nobility, who would frequently intermarry between different countries. In some cases, like the court of Catherine of Russia, they were even more comfortable speaking French than their native language. They didn't think of themselves as "Pan-European" (although there were ideas like Europe as distinct from the rest of the world, or Christendom vs heretics). This group has become much broader, and morphed into the European elite; which, is really just a subset of the global elite (people who feel more at home in the wealthy districts of London, Paris, Shanghai, Tokyo, NYC, etc; than they feel at home in most cities of their own country).

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i'd say that every country between Germany, Portugal and Italy (plus Greece) hold the same ideals and would make a breddy gud superstate, but i think this is also true, you can't see the similarities of yurop if you don't have the means to see them for yourself, the problem with the current state of the union is the fact that most people are stuck with their "the next town is literally Hitler" mindset, and if they can't move around and see what's out there they think that it gets worse the farther they go from where they're born

Lol fuck no

>but it could be made real.

Not while integration is spearheaded by wannabe kalergis.

Anti-local ideology that wants to shit on everything that came out of this continent and pretty much values outsiders more than natives won't build shit. You'd sooner see a theocracy.

a little bit

of course, to an extent, but it's more of a camaraderie of peoples based on common civilisation, history and origin rather than a cohesive identity

the problem is that the three other civilisational identities (which i identify as chinese, indian and arab) are all steeped in uniting mythology and a history of centralisation. for the chinese, people trace their origin to the 4000 years of dynastic rule as "china" and it's culture, and this crosses over the boundary to ethnicity with the assimilation of peoples into han identity despire the fact that it's abundantly clear that people in many of china's south and west regions have little to no han blood at all despite calling themselves han.

similary, arabs trace their lineage to he great caliphates and went through periods of assimilation and migration. they also have islam as a uniting factor.

lastly, indian formed as an identity in response to colonialism, it solidified and centralised in pursuit of a political dream and against an aggressor, added to that while there are many muslim indians one can't doubt that dharmic culture and religions, particularly hinduism, has been a uniting factor for the diverse groups.

the fact is that in europe, for all it's great history and culture, there has been no great event, no great empire, no common blood, no common language and no cause strong enough to force us together. there is no centre ground, no mother culture, no neutral language. i would argue that there very well might have been one had the reformation never happened, but not now.

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come at me with facts not hat memes nigga

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> there has been no great event, no great empire, no common blood
there was the Roman Empire that lasted a long ass time and after that there were multiple smaller yet far-stretching states across a lot of the current countries
you could be the new Churchill with that eloquence m8, don't waste it on Jow Forums. With arguments as good as "fedora.jpg" you'll have no trouble building you own country and stopping Europe's federalization