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daily reminder that USSR is what you get when you try to do a communism

It was when compared to us. Just crossing the eastern border here is like arriving to mordor

>We are all sitting in our comfortable homes with laptops, phones, tvs, jobs, and beds.
We produce far more than what we are given in return. In capitalism, under the jurisdiction of the boss who owns the means of production (physical capital, human capital), we labor and produce goods and services. The excess surplus value of these goods and services owned are stolen from the worker as profit, whilst the boss probably never even stepped foot in the factory. Why do classcucks accept this surplus value being stolen by the private sector, and then MORE of their hard work stolen by the state via taxes whilst corporations enjoy the luxury of tax cuts is completely beyond me.

comrade is the default name given on nyla and leftypol

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The USSR was way better than boomers say it was, I didn't realize how much of the bad shit was lies until I studied history.

Dumb picture from dumb poster

I had to quit school to get a minimum wage job to help my mom make rent, and I can't afford to replace my asthma inhaler.

>Capitalism is fundamentally flawed
Not really. It's a necessary historical step. The step that should be surpassed, eventually.
>only benefits a small group of people who expoit and use the general population
Yes.
>e rooting for Socialist policies and values.
Not really. Most of them root for welfare state, like americans do. And that's just road to nowhere.

>my retard ass is on fire

Also, look at artificial scarcity. Why do you suppose diamonds are so expensive in the US but not Africa? It’s because the capitalist class in the US forcefully pushes down the supply of diamonds artificially that may be in circulation at any time to keep their riches. Capitalism is so great that artificial scarcity due to capitalism has caused there to be millions of vacant homes that are not occupied, yet we have homeless in the streets... why? artificial scarcity. Why don’t monopolies that control our drinking water just invest in desalination plants and end the california drought? It would topple their monopoly, artificial scarcity of course, keeps them in control. Abolish capitalism, and, no artificial scarcity, no droughts, no homelessness.

>Dumb picture from dumb poster

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why do you feel entitled to take more than what you agreed to accept. That also wasnt the point of the post. The point of the post was to say the general population doesn't benefit, which it obviously does. Everyone today has more than they need plus some while doing nothing important with their life.

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She has a option to choose from thanks to capitalism. 2nd example has been improved under current system. 3rd is a great example of communism in practice

>let me buy the most expensive version/brand of this specific object, even though I could buy something cheaper that could do the same exact thing
My almonds activate when I think if those people buy iPhones for brand recognition or not.

>why do you feel entitled to take more than what you agreed to accept.
The only “entitled” people are the capitalist class, who regularly steal from their workers on an annual basis and only give them enough scraps to live and be comfortable with their life off of whilst being a wage cuck and class cuck. Think about your post. Your boss gives you just enough to live, a small house, a computer, TV, just enough to numb you into believeing that your work isn’t being stolen by the 1% who literally have so much money, it just sits in offshore bank accounts in tax havens.

1. Implying communism uses “money” (btw fiat money is completely fake and the national debt is a result of money, just the government promising emptily to pay back the debts)
2. Implying cartels in capitalism can’t just band together and ram up the demand curve allll the way up, forcing all the consumers to pay at rediculous prices. Look at the OPEC arteest, jesus christ, this is 12th grade econ.

>>Hurr durr all gommies r authoritians XD

Yes. Literally all of them ever.

social democratism is peak of civilization, look at the nordics, if you remove the temporar insanity of fugees welcome it shows you how avarage joe can live like a king compared to others around the world

iPhone and Applefags are the scum of the earth only buying that shit because it's cooler than a chinese phone or smth
???

No one said anything about money in communism. You're literally making things up.

Also you're pretty naive (read stupid) to assume artificial scarcity will disappear under socialism. The largest case of artificial scarcity in history occurred under a socialist regime (the Holodomor)

Diamonds are expensive because we want them to be. Their not valuable and hold no worth in them. But people continue to pay. You dont have to buy them. Pet rock used to be the equivalent of 18 dollars when it came out in 1975. Why? people were willing to pay. Homelessness is because the majority of them is crazy. Idk about droughts nigga

>???
Like i said dumb picture from dumb poster

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You think someone who moves boxes deserves as more than 11 dollars? You think pressing a button at mcdonalds makes you as much as a ceo setting up the company from the start and is giving you those 11 dollars to begin with?? How important do you think you are?

>Like i said dumb picture from dumb poster

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>cars need to be safer and environmentally friendly
>owns a Dodge Viper
>did you know that child laborers make shoes for pennies a day ins't that disgusting
>while wearing 500 dollar Nike made in a sweatshop

Based

>Capitalism is fundamentally flawed and only benefits a small group of people who expoit and use the general population.
True
>Socialism and communism is the only system that benefits humans
false

How much does your apartment cost?

t. boomer
google the cnt fia or zapitistas
>No one said anything about money in communism. You're literally making things up.
That meme implies that goods in communism would have an inheritant fiat value, hell its literally next to the supply and demand graph.
> naive
it’s naïve
>to assume artificial scarcity will disappear under socialism
1.Literally how is artificial scarcity supposed to work outside of a market economy / oligopoly (which only occurs in capitalism)
2. if there is no profit incentive, what would motivate me to push artificial scarcity? there’s no market to dominate in an oligopoly and no profit to be made, no cartels to be formed.
>The largest case of artificial scarcity in history occurred under a socialist regime (the Holodomor)
>Hur dur all zocialistz are zoviet guys XD

>Diamonds are expensive because people want them to be
Diamonds are expensive in the US because the elite force the circulating supply of diamonds down. It’s the same way how monetary policy works, you increase discount rates, reserve ratios and sell OMOs during contractionary monetary policy to directly influence the supply of money, therefor bringing the dollar value down. Diamonds aren’t expensive because “I wanna pay a lotta money for a diamond XXD” it’s based off of the equilibrium of the supply of the diamonds which are forced to be low, and the demand.
>Pet rock used to be the equivalent of 18 dollars when it came out in 1975. Why? people were willing to pay. Homelessness is because the majority of them is crazy. Idk about droughts nigga
literal nigger buffoonery
>You think someone who moves boxes deserves as more than 11 dollars? You think pressing a button at mcdonalds makes you as much as a ceo setting up the company from the start and is giving you those 11 dollars to begin with?? How important do you think you are?
t. boomer, show me where I said I support higher wages, socialism abolishes money

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Communism is good only in Chinese version. The Russian monkey is too dumb to build a communism and the fall of Soviet Union is the ultimate evidence of it. Just stop ridiculing yourself.

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>Hahaha guys capitalism is great and totally equ-

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>The housing market isn’t affected by artificial scarcity-

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>Presented an example of Artificial Scarcity under socialism

>"Literally how is artificial scarcity supposed to work outside of a market economy / oligopoly"

We're reaching levels of ignorance that shouldn't be possible.

are you seriously going to imply the soviet union wasn’t a state ran oligopoly you mongoloid

>monopolies that control our drinking water just invest in desalination plants and end the california drought

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>Good socialist regimes are socialist but bad ones are oligarchic regimes. Never mind that all democratic countries choose capitalist economics and so communism is not possible without being forced on the people.

good argument based and redpilled XD

>hur dur capitalism doesn’t cause violence

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>>Good socialist regimes are socialist but bad ones are oligarchic regimes.
Look at pic related. On the right, we have the top right, authoritarian right, (a famous example would be hitler) and on the bottom left, autist ancaps and other “libertarians” on the right (american term strictly) on the left, there’s the top left authoritarians (like the soviet union and china were) and the bottom left, where I am at, at the libertarian left. Why does the right have a libertarian and authoritarian version but the left apparently doesn’t? Oh wait, it does, but that’s too many sides for your brainlet level room temp iq to handle. And unlike ancaps, we actually have several successful real tested civilizations like the cnt fia and zapitistas. that part left outta your textbook in school? hmm.. wonder why

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>regimes are socialist but bad ones are oligarchic regimes. Never mind that all democratic countries choose capitalist economics and so communism is not possible without being forced on the people.
You mean like all those south american countries and iran and east timor? they didn’t elect capitalist leaders, they were slightly left leaning, and because of that they got YEAH COUP ‘EM’d by the US Capitalist Intimidation Agency

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>Hur dur gapitalism is just and fair :DD

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That picture is from China or Vietnam, both countries call themselves communist

It’s from Vietnam which is now a market economy. See how amazing privatization works with a monopoly on violence of the state enforcing said privatization? real well huh?

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Not real communism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>U DONT DESERV TO LIV
Kill yourself.

>China or Vietnam,
Who cares? I couldn't care less about someone on the other side of the world getting exploited

>durr muh worker exploitation

Workers aren't the only factor to the production of goods and services, the maintenance workers, repair teams, financial advisers, and yes, capitalists, all play a part. Some of these positions are more valuable than others, like all prices this is determined by supply and demand. Therefore, the workers aren't entitled to this extra surplus value, so nothing is being stolen from them.

From what you're advocating for it seems that you don't think janitors and maintenance workers should get paid, as they didn't produce the product or service physically.

The capitalist's position is the most valuable because of the immense amount of work and talent needed to successfully administrate a company, hence the low supply. In a privately traded company (where his salary is determined by the company's investors) if he does a good job the investors reward him for that. And in a publicly traded company (where his salary is just revenue - expenses) his high salary means he's doing a good job.

It's important to factor in the compensation for the countless amount of hours, time, hard work, money, and risk that went into creating the company but also goes into running it.

It's important to note that companies and capitalists being allowed to make profit is a good thing, because if the company and capitalist doesn't make a profit then resources are being expended inefficiently.

The value of the workers' labor is also determined by supply and demand. It is not equal to the value of the product that they produce.

You also clearly have no idea of the relationship of money between the capitalist, worker, and consumer.

The worker's pay is voluntarily agreed upon and the capitalist pays them whether or not he makes a profit from the good or service. So the worker is not exploited, as they are getting the wage he and the capitalist agreed upon and even if the capitalist doesn't make profit the worker still gets paid the same.

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>hur dur vietnam is gommunis!!1
brainlet nord education.

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Look, let me ask you something. Sincere question and I hope a sincere answer.

Do you think socialism is a better system than capitalism because you believe it would provide a better standard of living to most of the people, or is it just because capitalism = shit, then the "opposite" of it, socialism, is good?

>I have no money, no job, no gf, no friends, no brains
>communism will help me to get all of those

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>projecting

National Socialism is the best ideology, it's superior to every other ideology

ok first
>reddit spacing
second
>maintenance workers, repair teams, financial advisers, and yes, capitalists, all play a part.
there are two types of capital, human, and physical. these are all example of human capitalist, except the capitalist, which doesn’t exactly contribute to the production of the goods or services
>Some of these positions are more valuable than others, like all prices this is determined by supply and demand.
Yeah, the equilibrium of supply and demand determines wages and prices.
>Therefore, the workers aren't entitled to this extra surplus value,
This is a blatant non sequitur, how does the pricing of items and wages suddenly nullify the fact that the boss extracts the surplus value as profit without actually contributing to the production of the goods and services? In economics, the entrepreneur is a seperate entity than the human capital, this is like calling the physical capital the land.
>so nothing is being stolen from them.
false
>From what you're advocating for it seems that you don't think janitors and maintenance workers should get paid,
what
>as they didn't produce the product or service physically
They required human capital (the knowledge in order to do their job, and the training to do their job) so yes, they should be given the surplus value.
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Based couldn't care less about third worlders

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>Capitalism is so great that artificial scarcity due to capitalism has caused there to be millions of vacant homes that are not occupied, yet we have homeless in the streets... why? artificial scarcity.

Rent control moron. And it wasn't scarcity, the amount of people and houses remained constant when the laws were enacted, but the shortage happened.

Keeping house prices low reduces the intensive to build, keep, and maintain non-luxury houses. This why the supply of apartment buildings decreased. This is why in cities that has rent control the average price of housing went up because the only profitable type was luxury housing, which reduced prices for the rich. Along with luxury housing, many office, industrial, and commercial buildings were built with not enough people to work in them, because of the disrupting of market signals (i.e. prices).It also reduces housing turnover rate, so while poor families must live in one bed room apartments (if they can find them at all) a couple might continue to stay in a 3 or 2 bedroom apartment. There's also hoarding, which many majors and politicians did during the housing shortages caused by this stupid policy, because of the uncertainly of being able to find one if they rented it out.

Learn basic economics, and the learn the difference between scarcity and shortage.

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>The capitalist's position is the most valuable because of the immense amount of work and talent needed to successfully administrate a company,
Like what? The entrepreneur doesn’t need any “work” if he can set up a factory over sees to do all the work for him, steal their surplus value as profit, and wank as the manufacturing services do all his work for him. Work my ass.
>hence the low supply.
this doesn’t make any sense, what does supply have to do with the entrepreneur? do you even know what the factors of supply are?
>In a privately traded company
This is called a publically held corporation unless it’s kept in a family of some sorts, then it’s a closely held corp
>where his salary is determined by the company's investors
are you slow? wages are determined by the equilibrium of supply and demand you brainlet leaf
>if he does a good job the investors reward him for that.
Oh yea, i’m sure the investors at nike will fly to the SEA countries that mass produce their shoes and give them headpats. Stupid ancap idiot.
>where his salary is just revenue - expenses) his high salary means he's doing a good job.
Salary is the equilibrium of supply and demand you imbicile, that’s the entrepreneur’s salary after robbing his human capital of their surplus value they produced, he doesn’t get a high salary due to doing a good job if there’s
1. a price ceiling set by the government, IE minimum wage, forcing him to do twice the work
2.Any basic implementation of economics where the equilibrium of demand and supply is the wage you moron.
>It's important to factor in the compensation for the countless amount of hours, time, hard work, money, and risk that went into creating the company but also goes into running it.
I’m sure the Nike CEO just lives in the danger zone, whilst his workers in SEA countries literally fall on the sleep due to overworking! Welcome to the danger zone my fellow ancaps XD
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Legitimate retard. Answer the fucking question for once and stop making the question into an opportunity to spout your rhetoric.
If you think you deserve to go travel around the world doing whatever the fuck you want to do , just because you're alive, then YOU should kill yourself. Spoiled piece of shit. You offer nothing to society and only want to take from those who do.

>If you think you deserve to go travel around the world doing whatever the fuck you want to do , just because you're alive, then YOU should kill yourself. Spoiled piece of shit. You offer nothing to society and only want to take from those who do.

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>Rent control moron
There isn’t a nation wide rent control, leaf.
>Keeping house prices low reduces the incentive to build, keep, and maintain non-luxury houses.
Again, where is this so called nation wide rent control on every city?
>This why the supply of apartment buildings decreased.
See above.
>Learn basic economics, and the learn the difference between scarcity and shortage.
says the nigga who thinks revenue is expenses - revenue LMAO typical brainlet ancap

*yawn*
Im getting really sick of plebbit/r/anarchism posting their shitty commie threads on a board for international discussions

>these are all example of human capitalist, except the capitalist, which doesn’t exactly contribute to the production of the goods or services

Uhh, investments? Also, the owner of a septic company (who is a millionaire, by the way) always works on site with his fellow workers at our cottage and does most of the cleaning. I think it's relative.

>Yeah, the equilibrium of supply and demand determines wages and prices.

Glad we agree.

>This is a blatant non sequitur, how does the pricing of items and wages suddenly nullify the fact that the boss extracts the surplus value as profit without actually contributing to the production of the goods and services? In economics, the entrepreneur is a seperate entity than the human capital, this is like calling the physical capital the land.

It's because in order for the surplus value to be stolen from the worker, he must be entitled to it, but he isn't because he is given a wage voluntarily agreed upon by him and the capitalist. If the capitalist loses money, the worker's salary remains the same. If more money is made then expected, some is given as a bonus, the rest is invested back into the company, increases the worker's value of labour in the long run.

>They required human capital (the knowledge in order to do their job, and the training to do their job) so yes, they should be given the surplus value.

How would their cut of the surplus value be determined, if not by the capitalists in the market? And how does this not apply to capitalists as well?