Anyway

Anyway...

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the american side suffered more casualities, so there should be more dead south viet/american dinos

also 150,000 american vets killed themselves, add that to 50,000 killed and 300,000 wounded, that's a half million casualities for the US alone

You lost the Vietnam War.

Stop denying it, we lost to some commie gooks with guns

This gets more pathetic every time you do it

50,000 versus a million or more Vietnamese? Uh...

You and your proxies are a little too obvious, Fyodor.

You started this mess, frog. You could have let them just go after WWII instead of being thickheaded and acting like it was still the 19th century.

Actually South Vietnam lost the war, not us because they collapsed after we'd already withdrawn.

but the american didn't had 50,000 casualities, they almost 2 millions one

and the south viets were the ones killing north viets, you can't count all the north viets casualities and compare them to the only us casualities, it's stupid

so if you leave a day before the war end and say euhh... not my problem, you're not a loser?

the american side didn't*

>but the american didn't had 50,000 casualities, they almost 2 millions one
Since we had 530,000 troops there at the peak and only 25,000 of those were combat personnel, it's pretty silly to claim there could have been 2 million casualties.
>so if you leave a day before the war end and say euhh... not my problem, you're not a loser?
South Vietnam fell like two years after US involvement ended?

Reminder that Vietnam was mainly a civil war and team US puppets had more casualties despite better technology, but less deaths due to that better technology.

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Or to say a proxy conflict between the US and Soviet Union.

>Muh... Muh k/d
This is pathetic, just admit you lost Cletus.

see
the american side have 2 millions casualtiies

South Vietnam
195,000–430,000 civilian dead[43][44][52]
254,256–313,000 military dead[53][54]
1,170,000 wounded[55]
United States
58,318 dead;[56] 303,644 wounded (including 150,341 not requiring hospital care)[A 2]
+ 150k americans who killed themselves after the war (suicide)

You took part into this conflict, and even if you retreated before the war ended, you're still on the losing side of the war.

Result: North Vietnamese Victory

not

Result: American victory

if you don't win, you lose

Kissinger himself said the US lost

>+ 150k americans who killed themselves after the war (suicide)
Horse crap. There was no epidemic of homeless junkie Vietnam vets who committed suicide. That was a leftist meme.

Dumb fucking mutt, even we know your country's history better than you.

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We got our revenge on them in Afghanistan though. ;)

Anyway...

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the 60-150k numbers of us vets that killed themselves is in many books and serious website tho
some vets associations speak of 300 or 500k suicide

the iraq war who did 10 times less US death (5k vs 50) or soldiers involved than the vietnam war still have a huge number of suicide

*156,000 commit suicide*
*500,000 attemps to kill themselves*

why are american such pussies?

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Now here's the ultimate redpill. North Vietnam was close to collapse by 1973. They needed the Paris Peace Accords to get a break and rebuild their armed forces and the mining of Haiphong Harbor effectively starved them into submission. The Tet Offensive had cost them a huge amount of manpower.

The final invasion in spring 1975 was something of a desperation move; it could have been halted easily with just naval and air power, not even necessarily ground troops. However, after Watergate, Congress was taken over by hardline antiwar Democrats in the 74 midterm elections. As soon as the new Congress convened at the start of 75, they voted to terminate all aid to Saigon. President Ford was against this, but Congressional Democrats had a veto-proof majority.

The reason why these numbers are suspect is because . We never had more than half a million troops in Vietnam so it would be rather inconceivable that 200,000 or more of them could have committed suicide. If you said maybe 2000-3000, that would seem more proportionately accurate to the total # of troops who served there.

>this level of damage control

you just lost, leave with it

you lost in cuba or the Red Cloud's War too

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>We never had more than half a million troops in Vietnam

dude it's not the same 500k soldiers that did the war for 20 years

there has been "9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the official Vietnam era from August 5, 1964 to May 7, 1975.

2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam."

even if you apply the name suicide % rate of the normal population that didn't do the war to the 9 millions who did, it's still higher than "2000" lmao

>frog loses argument about war mess he started in the first place
"lyl you're still gay and your mom smells bad."

Welp.

>dude it's not the same 500k soldiers that did the war for 20 years
>there has been "9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the official Vietnam era from August 5, 1964 to May 7, 1975.
1964 to 75 isn't 20 years and in fact the cutoff should be in January 1973 when all direct US operations in Indochina were ended.

it's still 9 millions american who served in Vietnam, don't miss the point.

and american started their involvment since 1959.

He's saying that you're a fucking retard because aircrafts were used in the spring invasion of 1975 yet the NVA and Viet Cong still had vastly less casualties than US and friends.

>lamely trying to shift the goalposts when I'd pretty clearly said that major combat operations in Vietnam were between August 64 and January 73, about 7-1/2 years

>He's saying that you're a fucking retard because aircrafts were used in the spring invasion of 1975 yet the NVA and Viet Cong still had vastly less casualties than US and friends.

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the point was to reply to this "We never had more than half a million troops in Vietnam so it would be rather inconceivable that 200,000 or more of them could have committed suicide"

he said "We never had more than half a million troops in Vietnam"

there was 9 milllions in vietnam
low level trolling

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At least we got some good music out of that war.

goal: stop communism
result: communism not stopped

I don't think the Soviet Union still exists, do you?

It may be just as well since Vietnam is now a US ally against China and the South was never really "broken", it still has most of the country's wealth and businesses.

We also could have issued them that opinion and told them and britbongs no more military for either since been they were retarded and let things get out of hand.

At least we actually *fought* the damned war.

France post war barely fought anything or struggled at all and got thrown out everywhere. Pathetic effort all around. You even halfassed Algiers, a place that was considered as French as Paris, voting rights and everything.

And you pussied around and left. You dont even have the exscuse other powers did, with lsoing hordes of young men. WWII wasnt even that bad for the French. But youve been entirely impotent.

Like, the Vietnamese barely had to try to kick you out.

A lot was learned from Vietnam especially in terms of having better training standards and not using 18 year old conscripts who can barely fire a gun.