Russia is SWEDISH

Rurik was a conqueror, therefore it only makes sense he was a SWEDISH BVLL, not some f*nnoid

This. Finns can not conquer anything, only get conquered.

Charles: Vem är du?

Peter: Jag är du men starkare.

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Swedes didn't exist yet. It was really one of our own people who invented the concept of Svea to destroy and subjugate the hated Geats.

>thread full of seething swedecucks
Didnt take long

I am proud to be related to Rurik.

All I see are seething finncucks

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That makes you proud to be a Finn

Interesting theory. Based and also redpilled if I may say so

t. Geat and direct descendant of Beowulf also have a massive penis

Rurik was Icelander

WE

At present, what *exactly* is the evidence for Rurik being Finnish?

One Finnish NEET on Jow Forums said so

First off, what is the accepted definition of Rurik being a Finn here? There could be several mutually incompatible ones

Rurik was Danish, fuck off swedekeks.

N1c doesn't strike me as very Danish

didn't ask

>muh N1c
retard brainlet

If his mother tongue was Finnish or had a Finnish paternal ancestor within living memory, I would be inclined to call him Finnish. But to confidently say that he was truly Finnish, he would have had to have been born to Finnish parents, speak Finnish as his mother tongue, and be culturally Finnish (e.g. worship Finnish gods).

we enslaved swedes and finns and sold them to turks and mengols we are god tier warriors

Rurik was Greek
I am Greek
Greeks are better than other humans

No, Swedes came to your country and enslaved both Finns and Slavs.

>the name of his ethnic group literally means "slave" in all Scandinavian languages
hehe yeah good bait my dude

Uhhh sorry wh*tey but that's obviously a BLACK man! Russia is black!

Fu*k off holland with your pseudo-Russian flag

sciencedirect.com/science/article /pii/S0278416517301010
>Seven graves from the larger Mälaren region and several at Birka had distinctive grave goods thought to have originated in Finland. The isotopic values from these graves indicate that they may have been local individuals. The faunal remains from the Mälaren region corresponded closely with samples from Birka providing a baseline for strontium isotopic ratios in this area. At the site of Birka, two distinct groups of burials can be identified among the measured values, along with several outliers. The data suggest that Birka was a multi-ethnic settlement in the Viking period, consistent with historical sources and concomitant with its role as an important center of economy and trade on the east coast of Sweden.
Swedish fantasies about an ethnically pure Viking Sweden without Finns(jarls and karls, not thralls) are about to be crushed when DNA sequencing is performed on the burials.

At present, there is no evidence that he even existed. Let alone that he was Finnish.
The only source mentioning him is Primary Chronicle. And it states, that he was Scandinavian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Chronicle
mgh-bibliothek.de/dokumente/a/a011458.pdf
>They accordingly went overseas to the Varangian Russes: these particular Varangians were known as Russes, just as some are called Swedes, and others Normans, English, and Gotlanders, for they were thus named. The Chuds, the Slavs, (20) the Krivichians, and the Ves' then said to the people of Rus', "Our land is great and rich, but there is no order in it. Come to rule and reign over us." They thus selected three brothers, with their kinsfolk, who took with them all the Russes and migrated. The oldest, Rurik, located himself in Novgorod; the second, Sineus, at Beloozero; and the third, Truvor, in Izborsk.

stay mad evil albinoid, you just want dey melanin but you can never have

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This is revisionist and less likeable theory.
Rurik either was Finn at his best, or he was from some western Slavic tribe.

Mälaren belongs to the Finns. When I become the Jarl of Birka I'll expell all Swedes and Somalis from our native land and expand our control area to Novgorod/Vanhakaupunki.

>conquer people
>take their goods
>steal their culture
>fool armchair historians for ages to come
Actually based viking ancestors

Congratulations, there were Finns that traded heavily with Swedes. But this proves that Rurik or other Swedish nobles were Finnish how, exactly?

If a Russian has N haplo, but speaks Russian, identifies as Russian. Does it make him Finnish?
Early Rus' spoke Scandinavian, had Scandinavian names, were culturally Scandinavian. Several different sources, from Western to Muslim, call them Scandinavian. They probably intermixed with some Finnic people, but not necessary with ones from the area of modern Finland. Northern Russia was populated by all kinds of Finno-Ugrian tribes in the past - Chud, Ves', Merya, Murom and such.

Novgorodian chads literally pillaged and enslaved swedes and finns
swedecucjs tremble when they hear "Novgorod"

His known male descendants carry a Tavastian specific haplomarker.

Catherine the Great also wrote in late 18th century that Rurik was a Finn:

"Gostomysl hatte vier Söhne...Die mitlere Tochter Umila war die Gemahlin eines Finnischen Königes von waragischer Abkunst. Aus dieser Ehe entsprossen Rurik und seine Brüder."

books.google.fi/books?id=ggFQAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA163&dq=umila&hl=fi#v=onepage&q=umila&f=false

You're making a priori assumptions about the nature of Finnish archaeological material in Sweden which reflect only your inner views regarding Finns.
DNA will settle this not words. There's the Birka Viking woman who was hailed as some kind of female warrior, but her DNA was similar to southern Swedes and not modern Swedes from the central parts of the country(who are more Finnish than her).

Ah, a thread about Rurik, a famous Finn who founded Russia! Let's see oh right it's full of we wuzzing sw*doids.

>be russian """"king"""
>don't even fight on the front lines
>have 14 times as many soldiers as the Swedes and Finns
>still get BTFO and massacred in almost every battle
>fall back
>burn your own land using scorched earth tactics
>hire Crimean Tatars to harass Swedish/Finnish supply lines
>let winter do it's course
>return, once more massively outnumbering Swedes
>win one battle
>hahaha we are stronk slavs!!!
hmmm

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Ok, where is my swedish hasu?

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Again, how does trade and mixing prove that Rurik and other Swedish nobles were Finnish? What would give these Finns the edge over Swedes that would allow them to form a not insiginificant portion of the Swedish nobility? Because I know that's what you're actually trying to claim here, not that there were simply "some" Finnish Jarls and Karls.

cringe

based

cringe

based

based and redpilled

>muh haploshits
Irrelevant unless he had Finnish ancestry within living memory.

There were no Finnish Jarls, lmfao. Why on earth would you think that there were?

>be swedish king
>fight on front lines
>lose war
>lose an empire
>be killed by your own men
hmmm

based & ruspilled
t. karel who allied with novgorod to destroy tavastians and swedes

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I think the original Swedes(Svea) were heavily Finnish by genes which would automatically make all the local Jarls of Mälaren Finnish.
Rurik being N1c wouldn't have been a freak accident but a reflection of the majority.

You are just a Russian spy

He's claiming it, not me. He thinks that Finns trading with Swedes ==> Finns were the ruling class of Sweden.

It says something about Finns that they consider trading with your neighbours a great historical feat.

>Fränder, bröder, vår stormaktstid är över
>Vårt rike blöder, fanan står i brand
>Aldrig, aldrig, aldrig återvända
>Svea stormaktstid till ända

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Wow, what a powerful army you got there!
And how did that war end, again?

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>I think the original Swedes(Svea) were heavily Finnish
Why?

Sweden then suffered serious harm, from the Karelians, causing great alarm. They sailed into Lake Mälar from the sea, whether calm or stormy it might be, secretly within the Svealand islesin stealthily advancing files. Once their minds to the idea did turn, that they the town of Sigtuna should burn, and so thoroughly they put it to the flame, that it since then has never been the same. There Archbishop Jon was killed, a deed that many a heathen thrilled.[

AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHH

NOOOOOO ARGHHHH STOP

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>I think the original Swedes(Svea) were heavily Finnish by genes which would automatically make all the local Jarls of Mälaren Finnish.
This is bait, right? Why does mixing between neighbouring populations imply that Finns formed the majority of the Swedish nobility? I fucking hope you're not going to relate this back to >muhlar axes somehow.

b-but muh K/D!!! b-but muh Narva and Fraustadt!!!! STOP POSTING
DELETE YOUR POSTS

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>dabs on your ownership of Finland

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Rurik, a finnish name.

>Christoids getting btfo by pagans who worshipped Germanic/IE gods
Hardly surprising.

And as punishment, we conqured you and ruled you for 600 years. A fair trade.

It's not bait as much as it is him being a mentally ill NEET.

Mälaren has extensive and deep links to Finland and Finns.
It's a falsifiable hypothesis. I'm saying the real Swedes were Finns, not that Finns ruled over Swedes.

The karelians came to claim their homeland, svealand
wrong

*SNAP*

The real Finns were actually Swedes who had mastered the art of sailing very early. Some of the earliest settlements in Finland are Swedish. I guess not only did we teach you how to write,read, and talk, but you also descend from us. Quite fascinating

>Mälaren has extensive and deep links to Finland and Finns.
Why? Is it mentioned in kalevala or some shit?

You laugh now but not when it turns out Mälaren was majority N1c, that's when you cry.

Mälaren, where rurik hailed from was a finnic settlement
Geat supremacists kicked finnics out in the 11-13th century when papal supremacy was established thanks to teutonic niggers

BRUH
LOOK AT THIS DUDE

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Mälaren is the most Germanic place on earth and no Finn has a connection to it other than being a rape baby of the Svear who descended from Odin

>incel Swedshit obsessed about Slavs
>self-hating l2 Polackoid Aussie mutt obsessed about Gaymanics
>trolling Russians
>assblasted Finns

Classic.

NO
NOT AGAIN
PLEASE STOP IT

>trolling
I just post smiling suns.

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No, Gotland is which known as Saari. A Finnish hero stationed there was evicted by local men after he proved too popular with the women.
Other than the Viking age Finnish material I linked before there's also the Mälar axes from 500 BC.

Livonia just sounds better.

Thanks for adding the cherry on top, obsessed Polackeoid.

Actually, I am Gotlänning myself. I descend from Beowulf, the Geat who was said to have fucked over 5000 Finnish slave women. That is why some Finns have blonde hair today.

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>posting obvious bait as a cover for your embarrassing wewuzzing theories
ONONONONONO

>DNA study published in nature.com on April 26, 2012. Pontus Skoglund on prehistoric Gotlanders: "The hunter-gatherers show the greatest similarity to modern-day Finns.
OH NONNONOONO

>we wuz berrypicking shitflingers n perkele

There is similarity because of what I said. Beowulf did the mating press on every fingol woman out there basically

Yes there's pretty good evidence that most russian tribes are interbreedings of eastern asian tribes and wandering viking tribes.

Also 10 thousand years ago they were still mostly black, that gene hadn't been outbreed yet.

Russians are paler than Swedes.

not even close, but Finns are the blondest.

t. Karelian

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Why are you so buttblasted 24/7 about Finns? I'll be proven right in the end. The truth tends to prevail.

Do you understand what pale means?

Im a ugly as fuck finn.

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Yes, pale is the color of my toilet seat when a polack is done cleaning it
the opposite is shit, the color of a polack's hair

"I am a finn" would have sufficed.

I'm not buttblasted about you, I simply find you to be an unusual and fascinating people.

>I'll be proven right in the end. The truth tends to prevail.
Can you at least keep your baseless wewuzzing to a minimum in the meantime?

Look how defensive you get. Swedes aren't paler than Russians. You have swarthy skin, despite being blonde lol.