Why does the East Asian Cultural Sphere have no native name for itself?
(東亜 is a western name)
e.g. most other historic regions have a native name
>Indian subcontinent
Bharata Varsha
>Mainland asean
Suvarnabhumi
>Maritime asean
Nusantara
>South India
Dravidia Nadu
>North India
Arya varta
It does and it's well widely known, and you're an undereducared Japanese, and do NOT visit my country
Sinosphere
>metallic materials
What the FUCK is wrong with koreans?
Wood was rare in Korea so they made chopsticks out of metal
天下 :^)
>american educayshuns
sinosphere is enlish.
*english
it was either iron or silver nothing special
Because they hate each other since the dawn of civilization.
because it didn't exist to begin with. this region has never had a sense of community or sphere; the "east asian" frame, if any, became a thing after imperial japan promoted it as a pretext for invasion and before that china considered itself to be the center of the universe, korea and vietnam were their tributaries, and japan didn't give a shit.
No history. We were niggers before Japanese rule.
中華
t.takeshi
>proxy detected
Delusional gooks cannot admit historical facts.
I've never seen those made of iron. is it really exist? I've only saw it made of stainless steel.
did i say iron? i mean stainless steel, i cant tell the difference
>t.kim who wants to be takeshi
It started with some Korean dynasty using metal chopsticks to detect poison or something
That's China
Our emissaries sent to the mainland to learn Tang civilization actually went to modern day Vietnam did you know?
中華 is East Asia itself.
>Wa (Japan) (16 tribute missions)
>Japanese missions to Sui China (5 tribute missions)
>Japanese missions to Tang China (16 tribute missions)
>Japanese missions to Ming China (20 tribute missions)
When Koreans pay tribute it's tribute. When Japanese pay tribute it's called trading.
>t.조선족
中華 equals East Asia.
>Asian posters
Goddamn somebody make a joke
What is the difference between 中国 and 中華?
As far as I know the former is china, but when I look up to the dictionary, the latter is also for china.
Koreans sent their girls to Ming China. It is called 貢女。
To me 中国 is a geopolitical entity and 中華 is a ethnocultural entity
中国 is the State that rules mainland China and 中華 is like Anglosphere
Ah I see, thanks. Then it makes a sense that East Asia is 中華.
Selamat, my slant-eye brothers.
and our emissaries also went to rome, philippines, thai, etc.
your point being?
it's indeed trade, not tribute, except for the first wa missions, because japan's sovereignty was not authorized by china unlike those real tributaries or vassals. japan was no more "tributary" than england and the netherlands, which are also on the list of "chinese tributaries" because they traded with china. japan had the power to rape china so it's pointless.
These are emissaries that helped build Heian culture and civilization
Learn history
中華やぞ
hmmm
This. Korean kings are legally local rulers admitted by Chinese emperors but Japan said their emperor is 天子 where sun rises to Sui China.
then is japan 中華? if so, japanese cuisine is also 中華料理.
this is how east asians viewed the world
that's also pointless.
tang was a steppe nigger dynasty and buddhism, one of the primary objectives of tang mission, came from india. you can't say they are representative of china. every civilization adopted stuff from others and yet they didn't always share a sense of community or sphere with the origins of it. learn history
>how east asians viewed the world
no its how the chinese viewed the world
>tang was a steppe nigger dynasty
what
The Portuguese said ''China'', and China it is. Deal with it. Were were relevant back in the day, please notice us.
Japan is like Germanics who used Latin.
中華圏って漢民族だけじゃない?
>tang was a steppe nigger dynasty
Yeah you slave trading child kidnapping perfidious Iberians well remember
pic also related.
A quite good Quora thread about this topic.
quora.com/Did-the-ancient-Chinese-consider-the-Vietnamese-and-Koreans-civilized-because-they-adopted-so-much-Chinese-culture-or-were-they-still-barbarians
It was at the request of the Koreans that the Wa would be relieved of their status midgetoids and were known so on as forth as the nipoids.
That's bullshit, genealogy of 唐高祖, first Tang emperor, is traced back to 西梁 which was distinctively 漢 state.
yes, for "court ladies". and btw
>that fucking dot
nice proxy takeshi or zhang
most of east asians viewed themselves as 小中華
Are Korean considered 北狄or東夷
HAH i just literally noticed that dot, yea what a fucking joke, literally a fucking takeshi. no one in gook land uses that dot unless proxy
Korea surely did. It defended their Ming overlords against Manchus more than Chinese themsleves. It took two wars to make Koreans kowtow to new Qing overlords. But Japanese and Vietnamese surely weren't as loyal.
東夷, same as Japan. Japanese did have their own nickname 倭寇 though.
afaik we were classified as 東夷 for more than two millenia
Wtf I love Korea now.
>most of east asians viewed themselves as 小中華
No, only Vietnam and Korea are fall under 小中華
小中華 cause Joseon dynasties. Don't know about Japan since a huge sea between China and Japan so Japan always can shit talk at China without any fear.
n.wei-sui-tang were pretty much steppe nigger dynasties where xianbei was behind the ruling class
Japanese metallurgy was utter garbage. That's why they folded their swords a thousand times out of crappy iron sand. In actuality those weapons were only good for cutting unarmed peasants. They would have shattered if they clashed with weapons and armour that were manufactured properly out of actual steel.
Only Viets and Gooks did it.
Are you Kim?
lol
jesus christ i hope you dont think shit on this show was anything relevent historically,
their metallurgy was """"utter garbage""" only because they lacked iron source.
He is probably Korean American
They worked with what they had - that is, low-quality iron ore - and results were on par (or even better) with their East Asian neigbours who had much more and better resources at their disposal (especially China). Comparing katana with European swords is stupid and utterly out-of-context.
if we're seriously talking about swords, neither did longsword nor katanas mattered that much in the filed of battle for they were merely a sidearm. the main weapon in battlefield was always a some sort of pole arm or blunt weapon against fully armored opponents
What is this app?
japanese swords were so legendary even the chinese wrote a poem to praise it
zh.wikisource.org
nice try but german made "katana" proves nothing
katana is for the real warrior who annihilate mongols as if it was nothing while long swords are gaylords raped by them :D
is this gonna be another knights vs samurai thread with no one actually knows what they're talking about? probobly yes
Your ancestors were impressed by the quality of Japanese steel though.
Haha we also sent a Vietnamese princess to Japan too. It like if you fond of some young man and want him to marry your daughter.
Japan also like her that Vietnamese princess have a local festival in Nagasaki even today. アニオー姬 look it up.
dream-nagasaki.jp
What the fuck is this? Jow Forums post with reddit ratting? Disgusting lookalike to girlschannel.
Japan viewed themselves as the real China back then around the world war eras, they looked at China as a country ravaged by the Manchu barbarians. Scary thing is during the invasion Japan had extensive knowledge about China, history, culture, literature so it was easy for then to make up claims about china such as China ended after Song dynasty. Korea is the spiritual successor of Ming, and Japan of Tang. Japan also never looked at the Muslims, Manchus, mongols, zhuangs as true Chinese, and tried to rally them to aid them with their conquests, which backfired. Japan even stopped calling China 中国, but started using the direct English transcription of 支那, prob because they felt china no longer deserved to be called 中国 after the mongols and manchus
It's the same logic many Western liberals employ when they say PRC is not real China.
www.bada.tv
Most media still view China as a han national state,
sounds like the """"holy""""" """""roman""""" """"empire"""""
It is www.bada.tv
The website is for overseas Koreann because their population is 8 millions. I think many Japanese, American, and Canadian poster in Jow Forums are Korean.
They still whine a lot about muh free Tibet/ free Xinjiang. Tearing off peripheral areas from core China is exactly the same thing imperial Japan applied to China back in 30's when creating Manchukuo, Mengjiang, Wang Jingwei's republic of China, etc.
no we didn't. imperial japan's philosophy was what we call 皇国史観 which is mutually exclusive to being china.
I don't see contradiction. If we assume 天命 gets into Japanese dynasty's hands and stay there for eternity it would be a good excuse for Japan to view itself as China, It would be similar to Charles V Habsburg case who ruled Spain, Austria and HRE at the same time.
The word 支那 was already used in 8th century in a book of Buddhism.
Yes, from Sanskrit Cina, but the contemporary usage of 支那 is still from the western usage of the word china
No, even before 15th century the word 支那 was widely used.
In a poem called 祭山谷先生 made by Banri shuku, a monk in 15th century.
He wrote "支那扶桑其域雖異" Although China and Japan differ its realm.
To indicate the specific region, the world 支那 was used very often.
>支那扶桑其域雖異
How would you read this? I would assume something like that 支那(しな)と扶桑(ふそう)は其(そ)の域(いき)が異(こと)なると雖(いえど)も but not sure at all.
Everyone was was a vassal of China back in the good old days.
Then the WHITE MAN came and poisoned everyone's minds with nationalism and now everyone thinks they are number 1 and their neighbors are subhuman scum.
>In reality the primordial mongol [spoiler]finngolia[/spoiler] is number 1
Give it a few centuries and Japan will say that they invited American soldiers over for tea and the occupation totally did not happen.
>implying a few centuries later America would still have a word in Pacific matters
>implying it would even exist
not really.
actually the west has nothing to do with it when it come to japan. you can see it in 神皇正統記 from 14th century for example.
>"Great Japan is the divine land. The heavenly progenitor founded it, and the sun goddess bequeathed it to her descendants to rule eternally. Only in our country is this true; there are no similar examples in other countries. This is why our country is called the divine land."[4]
en.wikipedia.org
the japanese already had the mind that the rising sun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> china way before that.
>Nusantara
But that just covers the malay archipelago, it misses most of the mainland stuff
I think it's OK.
This classical Chinese sentence is grammatically strange.
支那與扶桑雖異其域 is normal.
thanks
You might as well include the Malay peninsula
I am Panyupayana
they are so shit and slippery, I hate them
big fat wood ones are the best
what westerners (and stupid Chinese nationalists) don't realise is that China isn't a real country like Denmark or whatever, its a philosophical concept that has existed from long before there was ever a united mainland state, the heavenly kingdom is like a platonic form which is reflected on earth by the "empire"
all east Asia is a part of this and the Han Chinese are just one group who make up the bulk of peasants in the middle (though they have been ruled by foreign more than not)
Han are naturally mongrel peasant farmers, they are not some divine race
this modern chinks are nothing but larpers
the word "Chinese" is western
so long as someone was civilized and followed the moral precepts they would be a member of the "heavenly kingdom"
a literal African could adopt the mantle of the divine, in effect becoming a shadow of it on earth and thus be considered "Chinese" or civilized
contemporary Chinese people have no morals and are therefore not civilized