When did Europeans start identifying themselves as "white"?

ancient albanian empire

Since around 1700 I think, unjust remember that Ben Franklin quote about only the English being white
Any others

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Nah 70 years ago we decided that we arent white but instead the same race as japanese, north indians and native americana

Since America became big

european ppl never identified themselfs as "white", they identified themselfs by nationality

then a bunch of peasants got independance (im looking at you frogs) who had lotsa slaves and european ancestors trying to meme a nationality, ofcourse it failed so now everyone is white black green yellow blue

Switzerland, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, and Serbia please

Swiss, not sure why this is fascist as it was a Napoleonic puppet state

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Saudis, I think this is a Muslim Brotherhood flag but I'm not sure

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They don't really. It has become more than unheard of in the past 30 years due to american influence, but it's still not something that is involved in the identity of most European nations and people. With the exception of nations that have been greatly involved with the new world like France and the UK, "white" is not something Europeans see themselves as. And if they ever have need to describe themselves in such terms, they do so from a purely visual and appearance-describing sense, rather than the inconsistent idea of "race" that new worlders have.

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Ew text on flag

Serbian national party, can't find the Tunisian one

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Cause it dosen't exist, we never had any a flag with an eaagle

Thanks friend.

It's a meme map.

This, but we describe ourselves as white when contrasting us with gypsies.

Never, beiing worried about your skin is an american thing.

>that lithuanian flag
Okay, this is epic

we call ourselves "white" in comparison with africans, arabs etc.
Europe wasn't built on an abstract concept of whiteness, it was built on Greco-Roman culture

it was when they started colonising

The Estonian one looks really odd, anyone got full pic?

>Iceland
>celtic cross
fucking mutts

Colonialism.
De Gobineau is a name that I remember, of an early guy with fun theories about blacks.

Then there was the scientific research on race, which was, I believe, developed mostly by Germans.
In the 1800s, empiricism and positivism were all the rage, and Europeans started making "scientific laws" out of fucking everything.
A lot of "failed sciences", phisiognomy, ESP theory, and other stuff. So naturally, since dividing and cataloguing animals and even tribes had been done recently and with success, Europe started trying to map out races and make theories.
If you see Django Unchained, Di Caprio's character holds a skull and explains scientifically the difference between blacks and whites. This is typical of that historical period.

Before positivism, and before the rise of science, or even in the early days of science and the modern age (1400 to 1600) I don't believe any theories on race had been developed yet. The big distinction for the earlier ages was "Christian or not", and before that "Barbarian or not".

So, here's how the "black race"/"white race" thing started.
1-great travels of the 1500s, all new continents are discovered, Europe cares for real about the rest of the world for the first time.
2-for a while all remains as always: the distinction is "what's your religion"+"what minor ethnic group do you belong to?" But Aztecs and Africans are used as cheap labor already.
3- Science becomes a thing, and scientists of all kinds try to develop theories on race. Some are more succesfull and reasonable than others, but it's mostly a hit in terms of popular culture and impact on the European populace: it justifies doing whatever to locals, and gives previously mistreated groups (jews, slavs, colonist immigrants) a sense of pride, cohesion and belonging.

In mainland Europe it is seen as a curiosity/stuff for scientists, but in the colonies it takes root very deeply, and the black/white distinction is mostlyfelt there (South Africa, Cuba etc.)

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actual meme map. this would be hell on earth

When we was colonized by USA.

were*

No, thats a new world thing.

No and they still see them as specific race/nationality. But its not part of the public discussion at the moment so americanism overshaddows it with 'whiteness'.

Fucking retarded is what it is.

When the Anglo Americans made up the term white.

We still don't. That's why Europeans don't like American "white" supremacists.

WE

If brow is vertical to mouth = white
Whats hard?

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This is a white thats mixed

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Dutch media likes to push the American idea of white people. We even started using the term 'wit" a literal translation of white instead of "blank" which just means the same thing. We're trying really hard to copy America, it's just creating a bigger divide desu

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Why is the Tsarist flag considered fascist?

All Europeans in Jow Forums call themselves white. I thought this was always common.

It actually started with Spanishoids who where trying to distinguish themselves from their first Indian slaves, and used their white skin to justify enslaving them.

The NewWorld was using White (or Blanco) far before anyone on the continent got independence

I don't know. The caste system did exist, but it made clear distinctions between full blooded Iberians born in Spain (Peninsulares, on top of everything) and full blooded Iberians born outside of Spain (Criollos, with less rights), despite being literally the sane. It also didn't call Spaniards "white", but Spaniard/Iberian/Peninsular. Not sure how other Europeans were seen under the caste system since immigration from anywhere in Europe into the Spanish empire was prohibited (even crypto-Jews, converted Jews into Catholicism who had been living in Spain for centuries, were prohibited); but other Europeans sure as hell weren't seen as Iberians.

Spanish Americans did it first

Also, after a few generations, Amerindians could turn Manolo'd enough to become legally Spanish, not matter if mixed. Amerindian > Mestizo > Castizo > Spanish.

That's true, but it was mostly contained in the new world. That was where the majority of slaves and american natives were and where a hierarchy of races was most useful for the colonial overlords. While it may also have been something European spaniards new about it didn't become a commonplace thing they saw in their everyday lives and identified themselves by. Just like how Apartheid didn't flow back to the UK or Netherlands from South Africa. It didn't really have any place here.

Sweden had no non whites

Mm, again nationality playing a big role as opposed to just appearance or parantage.

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>apartheid wasnt a thing in homogenous societies
fucking state of poodish intelligensia

Not at all. There were plenty of racial biologists and eugenicists here who developed models of race. Sami for example were seen as belonging to another race than Swedes (though I don't know if "white" was used to describe either of them). Gypsies as well.

Also we had some colonies in America, Africa and the West indies, where slaves were traded.

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>Comparing Falange to those.
Falange was never racist, slightly fascist but it consisted on a geniune national movement, including Guinea and some Cuban disidents were welcomed

That would definitely not be our fascist flag if we ever changed to one.