/éire/

I’m... not actually Saudi, but you’re right about my government being friendly with Israel.
A: lobbyists
B: religious evangelicalism: they think Israel’s existence will bring about the day of judgement quicker
C: lots of corporations benefit from Israel because they have valuable assets there
D: military complex will eternally be profitable as long as there is conflict, such as the one neighboring them

... Hi.

Go raibh maith agat chara

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>I'm... not actually Saudi
so what are you, then?

Interesting, where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

La creatura de las Americas...

the land of barbecue and steak sauce

What are you doing in Allah Akbar land

I took the wrong turn at Albuquerque.

Thoughts on Éamon de Valera?

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A sound lad, but a bit of a snake

She's not really dead r-right?

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Mierin is gone, gone, gone. You finished or are you in shock over losing your favourites?

What’s the best attractions in Dublin?
Are there cooperatives and bookstores that sell literature related to socialism and the IRA/INLA?

The best bookstores are Easons and Hodges and Figges, they have a fair bit on the IRA and stuff like that. I must also warn you though that Dublin is a kip filled with junkies homeless people and immigrants.

>Mierin is gone
no

2 chapters left.

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Eh, those problems are worse in most major American cities, I’ll be fine.
Anyway, thank you!

be my gf woman

No.

People complaining about Dev is the ultimate brainlet signal

he didn't like abortion or fags so he didn't

Why are all the good characters dying?

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The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills.

Who is your favourite character?

>deich

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AHHHH

Ask on /leftyireland/, they're much more knowledgeable on good socialist literature. Pic related has been highly recommended there but I haven't read it yet

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>/leftyireland/
That a thing?

>comes back to life
>dies

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Not even the worst end for one of the Forsaken.

Dia duit

They all just died. Siuan or Thom probably.

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He was a good boy. He'd still be alive if Mat would have just listened to his music.

How come there are so many different republican groups (Eirigí, IRSP, Republican Sinn Fein, 32CSM, Saoradh), yet all of them are extremely left wing? Why is there no right-wing Irish republican movement?

Just looked at it
Don't go there

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I'm pretty sure everybody wanted him to stick around longer. Now you get to try and figure out who dunnit!

Is this on 8ch?

Beannachtaí

One of the forsaken, think it might be Lanfaer.

yes. leftpol
Seems like a place to have intellectual conversation with commies and socialists but i can't be bothered to read it and i would probably just get annoyed and probably b& for unpopular opinions

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Alri

Yes, can't link because of the spam filter but just search it on /leftypol/

Because why would we spend 800 years fighting a right-wing regime that has devastated and crippled our country only to do continue it with a domestic bourgeoisie?

Nice shitty Jow Forumsme_ira tier meme
Why shouldn't one go to /leftyireland/? You'll get discussions with actual activists and people who read books rather than watch anime

Yes, see above

/leftpol/ is for anarkiddies, /leftypol/ is for true Gaels.
>i can't be bothered to read it
Read what? The board? Why not, it's good craic?
>i would probably just get banned for unpopular opinions
Not true no matter how much /leftpol/ will tell you this. Just don't shitpost and you'll be fine

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>Nice shitty Jow Forumsme_ira tier meme
lad i got it from the /leftyireland/ on leftypol also meant *leftypol and not leftpol

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Well you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel lad. You need to post zesty stuff like pic related if you want to attract a strong meme contingent to the banner. [spoiler] read Adams [/spoiler]

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I've read it though that was years ago

It can be a bit convoluted to follow and a bit boring but it does shed light on an aspect of the Troubles that has largely been ignored and most people would be ignorant of

It gives a decent history of the Troubles too

Of course a Nordie would love the cantankerous characters :p

Here's something spicy.

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>Finucane a 'strong contender' for Sinn Féin Presidential candidate
Now that would be very interesting. Young, Northern Irish and he couldn't be accused of being a terrorist.
He may in fact draw sympathy from people, as opposed to everyone else in SF who draws scorn for some level of IRA sympathising.

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If he's degenerate enough to be selected by the SF left-wing cabal then his credentials mean nothing to me.

I am curious whether it would be better to get a youngfag in as president, and a nordie no less, because since R*b*ns*n the "presidency" has been a dumping ground for degenerate decadent boomer west brit scum.
But the negative outcome could be that he positions himself as Trudeau 2.0 and infests the political landscape until he's the current one's age.

Not that SF really have a chance for the presidency anyway.

>thread died on my post
RIP

>but it does shed light on an aspect of the Troubles that has largely been ignored and most people would be ignorant of
And what would those be?
Any other good recommendations?
Does it discuss how the northern IRA went from ultranationalists to the party of left-liberal faghags?

Lot of trendy buzzwords you got there.
Point is, it will make a few more people open up to and become more accepting of the new post-Gerry SF brand, by showing them that not everyone in the party was in the RA etc.

>trendy
I resent this accusation.

>Point is, it will make a few more people open up to and become more accepting of the new post-Gerry SF brand, by showing them that not everyone in the party was in the RA etc.
But what good does this do the country, and is it even guaranteed to be a winning move for SF? If they're not nationalists any more than the other "post-IRA" parties then southrons have no reason to vote for them except as the most left-wing party that isn't exclusive to D*bl*n, and in the long run if that trend pays off then it will lead to a party that's got zero appeal from the nationalist factor.

I remember the talk being when McGuinness ran for president that a lot of people had respect for him because of this "elder statesman peacemaker" factor, but at the same time saw the significance of voting for the IRA party something that was either a distraction from the real issues of the day or an obstacle they couldn't cross. Everyone stresses the latter factor, but the appeal of SF depends to a huge extent on being the last nominal vestige of nationalism in this country. Take that away and you have removed an obstacle, but you have removed a lot of the impetus for the party to even exist.

>If they're not nationalists any more than the other "post-IRA" parties then southrons have no reason to vote for them
They still are nationalist to me, for now at least.
>because of this "elder statesman peacemaker" factor
I mean he was a leader/commander of the IRA. I don't think people were ever going to see past that.
This guy on the other hand has a degree of household sympathy attached to him. No one had sympathy for McGuinness at any stage, he was always the IRA man.
>Take that away and you have removed an obstacle, but you have removed a lot of the impetus for the party to even exist
I think you can be nationalist without openly praising the IRA every day of the week (just at the weekends).

>What’s the best attractions in Dublin?
There are none. Avoid Dublin.

>/leftyireland/
>That a thing?
Otherwise known as Jow Forumsireland.

Didn't see that one coming...

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So that we can be our own nation with our own cultural identity, a better question would be why would we fight for independence for so long only to allow more foreigners to flood into the country and further drown out what it means to be Irish?

But SF pushing all these lefties to the forefront of the party is making me dislike them even more than I did when they were all economic illiterates with links to the IRA.

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>They still are nationalist to me, for now at least.
They say, "the north is next", but not in the sense of "reclaiming the north is the next task", instead in the sense of "Irish children must be slaughtered legally in the north". They are not nationalist.
>I mean he was a leader/commander of the IRA. I don't think people were ever going to see past that.
If they wouldn't vote for the IRA guy, why would they have any more incentive to vote for the left-liberal bugmen than they already have to vote for Labour or one of the smaller leftie parties?
>This guy on the other hand has a degree of household sympathy attached to him.
But because his personal tragedy is part of the northern issue, it will leave as bad a taste in the mouths of the willfully oblivious as voting for McGuinness did, if not more. They could possibly feel self-righteous for voting for the guy who "laid down his arms", but to vote for some guy with an axe to grind on the issue that we have been told is "not our issue" and has not been given any thought since the Omagh bombing will appear to be re-opening the troubles.
To truly bring about a self-righteous smug wankfest of "sympathy points", he would have to be a gay immigrant who wanted an abortion, not a person whose main story is having his family member murdered by the Brits in what Irish people apparently decided is no longer part of Ireland.
>I think you can be nationalist without openly praising the IRA every day of the week (just at the weekends).
That's a different question. The question is whether nationalism actually has any appeal or substance anymore. I would say no.

Anybody else notice that Irish media outlets have been obsessed with promoting "women's issues" since the abortion referendum? Constant reports on the lack of female representation in X and articles like "These women are changing politics/business/the world by doing something completely inane".

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>SF pushing all these lefties to the forefront of the party
Such as who desu? Is Finucane any more leftie than the rest of them?
>with links to the IRA
That a bad thing?

>They say, "the north is next", but not in the sense of "reclaiming the north is the next task"
I don't think many people would argue that SF have a UI higher on their priority list than anyone else. Do you disagree?
>bugmen
Don't know what this is.
>If they wouldn't vote for the IRA guy
He isn't there anymore, is the point.

Yes, somewhat. Though it's mostly in garbage sections like entertainment in RTÉ where it is just full of these young "new media" journalists or whatever.

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No

Maybe you're just biased against these sorts of articles so the appearance of them bothers you more and you're more aware of them

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Hey, that's my toad OC from like two years ago

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t. saudiburger
Now that you're here, why do you use a Saudi proxy if most Arab countries hate Saudi Arabia?

Just realised Perrin wasn't in The Fires of Heaven, probably why I enjoyed it so much.

I noticed this years ago when I noticed the faces on the election posters change from fat old men to haughty and/or frumpy 30 to 40-year old women, interspersed with weaselly homosexual-looking men of similar age.
It's the replacement of politics as a male sphere with more hard-nosed empirical attitudes and ambition by politics as a female sphere, where appearance matters more than reality and politics exists much more removed from the mechanisms of social control. So instead of old men who may be selfishly ambitious grifters instead of leaders, but who still have guile and some degree of independent ability, you get figurehead women who wouldn't be fit to run a primary school installed in the seat-filling positions in the formal government. They just bleat about whatever emotive issues they are fed from international thought-control NGOs via the media, and the population just slop it up with more loyalty to meritless rulers than the parish-pump parochialists ever displayed.
Normies swallow it up for two reasons, the first being their training by media consumption to feel a mental reward centre light up when they support what is promoted, the second being the promise that the new situation means an increase in "freedom", especially of sexual nature, when typically it means a removal of protections and impediments to social control through propagandisation and incentivisation.

>And what would those be?
It portrays the Troubles from the Leftist Republican perspective, well obviously, unlike the vast majority of media that focuses on the Provos so it's interesting in that regard, how it writes about how the Troubles started is the best part of the book too

No sorry, not on Left leaning Irish Republican movements anyway, I'd always recommend this book though since it's the closest you'll get to experiencing the War of Independence: books.google.ie/books/about/Our_Struggle_for_Independence.html?id=x3up-rOwdIEC&redir_esc=y

>Does it discuss how the northern IRA went from ultranationalists to the party of left-liberal faghags?
Only in the context of the Workers' Party which had people opposed to violence, it does mention the old aphorism of their being 20 years difference between the Provos and the Official IRA though but it only mentions the Loyalist paramilitaries and the Provos tangentially

I've noticed long before the referendum. Remember the fiasco with RTÉ's top earners last year?

DIVERSITY QUOTAS

>socialism = making your country into a refugee camp
Back to pol/éire/ retard

>Such as who desu?
Almost the entire parliamentary party and youth wing at this stage.

>That a bad thing?
South of the border, yes. As I've said before, there is a distinction to be made between SF north of the border and SF south of the border, despite their claims to the contrary.

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I consume enough news media on a daily basis to spot trends. Plus I hate agenda-pushing in all its forms.

>I've noticed long before the referendum
It has been a thing for years now, but there has been a marked increase in such content since the referendum.

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>pol/éire/
>complains about people criticising socialism.
How to spot a newfag.

Sexuality and race based quotas when? Identity politics or bust!

>I don't think many people would argue that SF have a UI higher on their priority list than anyone else. Do you disagree?
I can say from a factual perspective they have the least incentive to actually bring about a united Ireland of any party besides the DUP. They would cease to exist in a United Ireland.
I can't speak for what befuddlement exists in the minds of the Irish public. But I'm baffled as to why Sinn Feign would be more popular as a left-wing party than the others except for the fact that they're the biggest and best organised who have never and likely will never be in government.
So I would not be surprised if people think SF are actually a nationalist party and not just the co-opted party that northern Irish people are forced to vote for to avoid protestant tyranny.

I just find it hard to understand what future SF has, because their current success to me seems to be due to having their cake and eating it at the same time thanks to ignorance and confusion among the public and deadlock in the north. They say they can't win as the IRA-party, but what do they have going for them as a left-wing party? Their brand is INHERENTLY tied to the IRA, and they prosper in the south and have the north on lockdown, while parties whose nominal raisons d'etre are left-wing ideology are stagnant or abortive (pun not intended).

>If they play themselves as the unification party, then anti-nationalists in the south would turn against them.
>If they play themselves as the left-liberal party, then either their nationalist support will decline, if nationalism is what's keeping them afloat, OR, if gay leftism is their electoral powerbase, and those ideas are something a party can survive on, then eventually a party will overtake them coming from a purely leftist position without the IRA baggage.
>If unification actually happens, their nationalist credentials will no longer keep people following them, & the northern Irish will feel free to vote for whoever they want.

/éire/ is a nazbol general

It's already like that.

"Tá Gráinne Mhaol ag teacht thar sáile,
Óglaigh armtha léi mar gharda,
Gaeil iad féin is ní Frainc ná Spáinnigh,
Is cuirfidh siad ruaig ar Ghallaibh!"

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>newfag
>yay just finished 6th class cant wait to shitpost on /éire/

I could still see them existing in a UI since they've turned into such libtards they'll have the SJW vote secured for decades to come. Radicalising into actual socialists instead of succdems would likely cause them to lose the yuppie kids so I can't see a major shift in ideology without Mary Lou getting assassinated and some long lost relation of Che Guevara taking over the party or something similarly drastic.

NazBol is socialism

I was wondering whether you'd noticed that or not. Don't worry, he'll never go away again.

>they've turned into such libtards they'll have the SJW vote secured for decades to come.
FG's libtard credentials are as strong as SF's. The only thing FG lack is a claim to be socialists.
But the nature of libtard socialism is such that once UI stops being something that gives SF a boost, it will easily become a black mark against them. Even if people don't mind that their pseudo-socialist pride parade party began as the political wing of an ultranationalist insurrection enough for a non-nationalist party on that line to overtake them, the internal contradications will handicap SF.

>Radicalising into actual socialists instead of succdems would likely cause them to lose the yuppie kids so I can't see a major shift in ideology without Mary Lou getting assassinated and some long lost relation of Che Guevara taking over the party or something similarly drastic.
Their purpose was never to achieve socialism, not even when the party whose purpose was to achieve a united Ireland was subverted into a socialist organisation. Now their only purpose is to turn Ireland even more ultra-liberal anti-nationalist, same as the rest of the parties.
Their ideology may change only when it becomes useful to their handlers. A real socialist party and a real nationalist party are pre-empted by a pseudo-socialist pseudo-nationalist party existing, so there are many interests well-served by the voters being presented with this entity.

My favourite Irish song. Is cuimhin liom go maith é nuair a bhí mé i mbun nó mean scoil aguis d'fhoglaimid amhrán sin.

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>there is a distinction to be made between SF north of the border and SF south of the border
Which is what?

>SF North: everyone vote for us and we'll eventually knock the unionists out of power
>SF South: everyone vote for us and we will abort all non-gay non-foreign babies for free forever

I vote for Sinn Féin because of their left wing policies

>They would cease to exist in a United Ireland
So they should stop a UI from happening unless they become relevant afterwards? Great load of shite.
Like suggesting people shouldn't fight in the War of Independence unless they were going to be made nobles or TDs afterwards, when the reality is they would be happy to die to achieve the goal of independence/UI.
>I'm baffled as to why Sinn Feign would be more popular as a left-wing party than the others
Not establishment and betrayer of promises, like Labour.
Have a nationalist element to them, unlike Solidarity
Bigger name politicians that have a cult like following for obvious reasons including having actually done something significant in their lives like fighting for a UI or peace in NI for the last four decades as opposed to a party that is famous for throwing water balloons at Joan Burton and swallowing abortion pills.
More significant on the national and international scale.
Huge movement concentrated and focused on achieving a single primary goal.
>they're the biggest and best organised
That's a pretty big reason, though people who vote for NP or other eternally utterly irrelevant parties won't likely understand.
Lots of people want change and SF are the only party that are at least somewhat positioned to combat the establishment.
>thanks to ignorance and confusion among the public and deadlock in the north
I want a UI and they are the only people that are yammering on about it to sate my nationalistic republican tendencies.
>Their brand is INHERENTLY tied to the IRA
It's about bringing about a UI, for me at least.
>anti-nationalists in the south would turn against them
Fuck them who cares?
>their nationalist credentials will no longer keep people following them
They'll have achieved their primary goal. Who cares if the party dies after that? Then we can go back to right-centre-left politics and get on with our lives, having resolved our centuries-long problem.

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>Now their only purpose is to turn Ireland even more ultra-liberal anti-nationalist, same as the rest of the parties.
I think you're making a mistake of assuming SF don't have a staunchly loyal membership that drives it's nationalist agenda which takes paramount to everything else and that's not changing anytime soon

Including their policies on refugees/immigration?

Theory desu. Only way we are going to get top tier anime girls draping themselves in the Irish tricolour is to win the World Cup. In order to do this we will all need to start watching the soccer and ensure it becomes the biggest sport in the country.
Thoughts?
(WC in Japan may work as well, though probably not)

>South of the border, yes
Desu desu, I was asking if you agree with the FF/FG position of SF being IRA and IRA being bad.
Feel I may have asked this before, unsure of the contents of your reply.

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>turning /éire/ into a house of lies