Why don't they go back home to England and Scotland? Why do they stay in Ireland if they don't want to be Irish?

Of?

kys, papist

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and her bitches

They are home. They've lived there for hundreds of years, and you can't just kick them out because your specific genetic group has been there longer.

well the majority of ulster is Irish, the reason they only have 6/9 ulter counties is because if they had them all it would be an Irish majority
their ‘state’ was artificial and gerrymandered from the start

it was ok to invade countries if they were anglo, they started taking other ppls land with the naive thought the exact same thing wont happen to them and now we will remove every and all anglo from the face of earth, the anglojew will perish

If ifs and ands were pots and pans
There'd be no work for tinkers' hands

The majority of *reland is British, the reason they only have 6/9 ulter counties is because if they had them all it would be a British majority
their 'state' was artificial and gerrymandered from the start

thats being silly, Ulster was inflated from being two counties of ulster scotch majority to what is today because it was known that being two counties was economically unviable. If the british government had cared about what the people thought then it wouldn't include 3-4 of the counties is does as all of them were catholic majorities bar armagh and antrim

nice try jimbo but that doesn't make a lick of sense

But do they deserve to have their own artificial state carved out, against the wishes of the majority in both Ulster and the entire island of Ireland? To me it seems only fair that they should either accept that they are Irish or just go back to Britain.

>brazil calling anyone monkey

>Irish thinking they're human

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Seething

What?

>Why don't they go back home to England and Scotland?
They're Irish.
>Why do they stay in Ireland if they don't want to be Irish?
They stay in Ireland because they're Irish. They just wish to remain British. There was once a time when all of Ireland was British and all Irishmen British. British nationalism is different to normal nationalism, it's quite complicated. I know there's a lot of bad blood between the Irish and English and Scottish, a lot of historical violence and oppression between the Westminster government and the Republic. But it doesn't make the Irish any less British. Yeah you might object to being associated with the UK, and rightfully so given our history, but Ireland's still ultimately a British island. The only tangible difference between Ireland and Northern Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales is catholicism. That's it.

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>They're Irish.
but they have an aversion to everything Irish? The only Irish thing about them is where they live, they absolutely hate Irish culture and Irish people

describe which aspects of Irish culture they hate and what specifically they hate about Irish people

does it annoy you that Irish americans are one of the most successful ethnic groups while scotch "irish" americans are white trash hillbillies living in trailers?

>In the early stages the lowlands and cities may have had some organisation or "council" and the Bishop of London appears to have played a key role, but they were divided politically as former soldiers, mercenaries, nobles, officials and farmers declared themselves kings, fighting amongst each other and leaving Britain open to invasion. Two factions may have emerged: a pro-Roman faction and an independence faction. The one leader at this time known by name is Vortigern, who may have held the title of "High King". The depredations of the Picts from the north and Scotti (Scots) from Ireland forced the Britons to seek help from pagan Germanic tribes of Angles, Saxons and Jutes, who then decided to settle in Britain.

Had the Gaels not kept invading and plundering the lands of the post-Roman Britons, the Britons wouldn't have been forced to seek help from the Saxons, who wouldn't have gone on to conquer and influence the fabric of Britain, which wouldn't have gone on to conquer and influence the fabric of Ireland in the way it has.

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You should go up to one of them and tell him that he is Irish, and see how he reacts.

It seems to me that they go out of their way to prove themselves not Irish

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They hate the Irish language, they want to ban St Patricks day parades, they wanted to ban commemorating the 1916 rising, for example

I think its quite clear how they hate us as people, just look at the discrimination in NI until after the troubles. Jobs were all given to protestants, social housing too, facilities were built in protestant areas, the political districts were gerrymandered. (E.g. Derry had 3 political districts, 2 in the protestant area and 1 in the catholic area. Despite the fact that the catholic district had x2 the population of the other two combined)

Irish Americans are no less likely to being hillbillies and living in trailers than the Scotch-Irish

>all of Ireland was British and all Irishmen British.
Britain is an island. Ireland is a separate island. That's all there is to it.

Well direct rule from London would've alleviated that but the Irish chose to go in the other direction

Is Northern Ireland similar to modern Crimea or future Latvia?

More akin to the Ye Olde Pale

>Irish americans are one of the most successful ethnic groups
You fuckers were practical slaves until T*ddy Roosevelt ruined it.

And the only "successful" ones were Ulster-Scotts

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Closer to Alabama

>mfw protestant scum is near me
APRIL 24th 1916 BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

ulster scots all went to the bible belt thats why its evangelical protestant

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Is it possible that Irish identity has become synonymous with radical Catholic republicanism? It could just be a reaction to the troubles. I imagine as time goes on and as it fades from memory, especially nowadays with christianity being less important than ever, you'll see more Northern Irish return to that British-Irish identity.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

Memes aside the Irish aren't considered foreign to the UK. 800 years of occupation has lead to Irish culture being very similar to the rest of the British Isles. It's disingenuous to say Ireland has no connection to Britain

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they've been there 400 years and we don't want them back
i suppose by your logic muh heritage yanks really are irish?

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>it's not /brit/

fugg :DDDD

>a*glos

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The Irish government wishes to "diversify" itself while NI is over 95% white and generally nationalistic in either direction.

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>capital city gets KHAN'D
>royal lineage gets MUTT'D

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>Why don't they go back home to England and Scotland? Why do they stay in Ireland if they don't want to be Irish?
When all the Irish in Great Britain go back. They can take some of ours. Also I question how many of the original inhabitants descendants are even left.

t.Partially descended of Country Tyrone ethnic Irish that were expelled and became indentured servants in Virginia after the English fucked around in Ulster.

refuse to believe the author of this post is over the age of 16

shut up dumb mutt

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shariah law for london when you dumb paki?

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Get out Jack we all know the Irish are just British people with yet another different accent.

Plastic paddies lost all connection to Ireland once they hopped the Atlantic
The Ulsterites are still part of the UK
There's a bit of a difference there I'm sure

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so does the british government idiot

>Irish Americans are no less likely to being hillbillies and living in trailers than the Scotch-Irish
This is true a lot of ethnic Irish ended up in the hillbilly regions of the south.

if the majority of citizens don't want to be part of ireland, why should they be forced to?

Same could be said for some of the counties in the UK and US, fuck all over the world
Will of the people is a meme

voting to join is different from voting to leave

because they're part of the island of ireland therefore it's irish land
but the island of ireland is part of the british isles, so ireland belongs to britain just as northern ireland belongs to ireland

>me from ireland so me own all ireland or else blow up building
Is this the power of Irish "logic"

well the main reason nowadays is actually economics, northern Ireland is poor as shit so its economy is propped up by England. But back in the 20s when partition happened only 2 counties wanted to remain part of the UK, the reason 6 did was because those two alone were deemed economically unviable so they basically forced a bunch of catholic areas to leave too

Not really

compare brexit to literally any country joining the eu
compare the civil war to literally any state being formed

Moving your family across the sea and finding a new job in Britain is a bit of a hassle, especially since they're used to nepotism getting them jobs in NI. They've established a comfort zone for themselves so why give it up? In principle yeah they hate Ireland and Catholics but words are cheap, doesn't mean they'll act on it if inconveniences them. Should Ireland be reunited, probably will within 100 years, then many will go back to Britain

Catholic Irish generally stayed in and around the port cities they landed in during the 1800's. Scotch-Irish settled in Appalachia before this

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

No kidding, but the N.I. government is staunchly against it, you cannot make pic related up you "idiot".

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We could ask the same about Scousers.

>People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
Manifest Destiny ended in the 19th century. Many Irish think this way in the 21st century.

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wrong thread maam

What are Kansas, Texas, California, Hawaii?
There are just as many peaceful secession movements as there were violent ones, just as many peaceful joining of nations and peoples as there were violent ones
Piss off

they ARE irish mate

that's like telling the scottish to leave scotland "go and be with all their British brethren so they can feel more at home." whatever the fuck that means

brexit was peaceful and it's still a complete mess

So what?
What about it?
What point are you trying to make?

>It could just be a reaction to the troubles
Not him but I'm sure it is to a degree.
I imagine they hate Irish culture because they know it will overwhelm them one day and when it does they won't be able to do whatever it is they want, as they were able to do during the time of the Protestant Ascendancy.
They probably just see everything going downhill from here, though arguably they will be a more integral and powerful part of a United Ireland simply because they make up a larger percentage of the population compared to the percentage they occupy in the UK, along with the fact that we can't allow a large chunk of our island to be an economic basket case whilst London doesn't really care as it can fill the blackhole that is the deficit.

On the deficit, I find it quite amusing how some Unionists brag about how large it is (because then the South wouldn't be able to afford reunification). Must be one of the few places on Earth where a massive deficit is considered a good thing.

i thought i had a point when i started this but it doesn't make any sense now that i'm thinking about it. ni would be seceding as well as joining a different country

Relax they don't make babies.
They will be replaced in a few decades

>they're irish
>they want to be british
>so they stay in ireland

I don't compute

Irish and British aren't mutually exclusive

There likely isn't even going to be the concept of "British" in few decades or so when Northern Ireland and Scotland probably leave, unless some seismic changes happen.

Scotland probably won't leave even though the native scots voted to leave previously

They only have to vote for it once and their certainly is a desire for it, just fear over the economics.
If they did vote to leave then I don't think I could see them ever going back.
Ireland does a lot better economically on its own than it likely would ever do as part of the UK. Add in the more accurate political representation (which Scotland really suffers in regards), cultural stuff, sovereignty (to whatever debatable degree) etc.

>I imagine they hate Irish culture because they know it will overwhelm them one day
In all fairness I think we underestimate just how similar the UK and Ireland are, minus the religion and we're semi agricultural island dwellers with a penchant for fiddles, tweed and ale.
I also think its unfair to call out the norns for being retarded when the situation is created by all sides. Radical republicans are as much to blame for doing some truly awful shit to both proddies and innocents as radical proddies are. a lot of hard liners aswell are facing issue when they argue that they've fought a war for the right of self determination, and now they're essentially fighting to deny that same right to others. Noone has a good plan to end it and everyone is wanting more for themselves, once the religious nutobs and radicalised boomers die off we can finally have proper discussion.

Does Ireland still want northern ireland?

>once the religious nutobs and radicalised boomers die off we can finally have proper discussion.
I doubt it. The parents will pass on the traits, such as taking them to a 12th july parade and playing anti-catholic songs or a republican blasting rebel songs. It's a very big us vs them mentality

But I don't see any Irish people in Britain aggressively waving Irish flags, claiming that the part of Britain where they live is actually Irish. And they certainly don't have their own special Irish state on British soil carved out for them. The loyalists in Ulster just confuse me. They're a group of people living in Ireland, who hate Ireland and all things Irish despite the fact that from any neutral point of view they themselves are Irish, which they refuse to recognise. Their whole identity just seems extremely confused to me.

>In all fairness I think we underestimate just how similar the UK and Ireland are
Sure, we are similar, but we certainly aren't the same. We have our own traditional music scene which is very strong, we have our own sports which are extremely strong, we have our own language which is weak (but everyone still learns it for 10+ years of their early life) and a myriad of other things including general political views on things like the EU which differentiate us from many in the UK.
You could if you wanted to categorise the culture of everyone who lives on these islands as British, though no one here will recognise the term, simply out of the dislike for such labeling and the fact that the label also applys politically to the UK. People will still acknowledge we are similar though.

I think most people are awake to the fact that an independent Scotland isn't economically feasible (at least not until they actually build 300 years of infrastructure within their own borders and not across it), and that it was essentially a political powerplay by hardline members of the SNP, Salmond and Sturgeon in particular, who wanted themselves written into history because they're narcissistic egomaniacs. Hence why Salmond missed the very important debate in 2015 over military action in Syria to unveil a new portrait of himself, or why Sturgeon went to a fucking pride parade when Trump was in town to portray herself as some 'freedom' loving progressive and deflect any criticism of her own government signing massive tracts of land to private owners, like Trump, without any consideration to the legality or environmental concerns of the locals.

Westminster won't giver her another referendum because that sets a precedent for a dreaded second Brexit referendum, nor does anyone else in Holyrood think its a good idea, in particular anyone who think of the people who are still being given a bum deal despite massive amounts of grants from London.

tl;dr modern nationalism is cancer

This

They were placed there intentionally generations ago so that this argument could be used to further a political agenda and destabilized the region. Sort of like how Russians placed a bunch of their own peasants in Estonia and Latvia.

oh ireland is a very funny place sir~

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muzzie tier logic. yes ireland should belong to the iris, scots and whatever need to go back just like you pakis

You realise the very same argument will be and already is being used to justify keeping Africans and Pakis in your country? Doesn't matter how long they've been here, they never should have come in the first place.

>They stay in Ireland because they're Irish. They just wish to remain British.
>There was once a time when all of Ireland was British and all Irishmen British.
>British nationalism is different to normal nationalism, it's quite complicated.
>but the island of ireland is part of the british isles, so ireland belongs to britain just as northern ireland belongs to ireland

Obviously there can be no discussion with people who are unreasonable, therefore rev up those truck bombs lads!!!

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>Sure, we are similar, but we certainly aren't the same
I don't think anyone is arguing that we are nor we should be, but everything that people point out that marks an Irishman from a Scotsman, Englishman or Welshman is mostly cosmetic. Yes the political situation is very different in the Republic than elsewhere but in most other cases we mesh together seamlessly, and they'res nothing wrong with that.
When it comes to northern Ireland its less to do with fundamental differences in society and more to do with a cyclical maelstrom of violence that both Ireland and the UK feed. Thick proddies vote DUP (the absolute worst political party in the UK and a stain on modern politics) and thick republicans vote sinn fein, neither party promises any sort of progress and each represents disdain for the other. you can point the finger of blame as far back as you'd like but it ultimately falls on whoever decides its a good idea to kill/bomb/beat up another because they're the wrong type of Irish. It doesn't help that those godforsaken swamp hags Tories and DUP prop each other up like some malevolent shit stack.

lol

I think the main thing is that the prods are in the wrong but the british government refuses to call them out on it because they want to hold on to the last bit of their shitty empire and they are useful idiots

irish >>>>>>> british

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I think most people in Eng/Scotland/Wales couldn’t care less about Northern Ireland. They don’t even see it as part of the UK and are always slightly surprised when they’re reminded of that fact. I think it this stage they’d honestly rather be rid of it