Do people from these countries consider themselves white irl?

>Morenos
How would you translate it?

yes, this guy, in person.

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nigger boy

One time this cute Spanish student asked me if I thought she was white
I am not sure she she was genuinely confused about what she was or if she thought Americans had a stupid definition of races
She was white either way

We consider ourselves Italians.
If we do call ourselves white, it's in opposition to subsaharans only.
Wrong. We call north africans "magrebini" or "arabi".

Yes, I mean, among black peole im a whiteboy

not what you call them, but what you consider them

You call yourself white, but not north africans, even though you look the same.

>If we do call ourselves white, it's in opposition to subsaharans only.
this so fucking much. Why is it so hard for people to realize that "White" is not necessarily the same thing depending on which population you ask.

>You call yourself white, but not north africans
source?

Yes

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ask any south european.

Swarthy.

god damn it why do people from outside the north of africa don't call themselves north africans reee

>south europe = white
>north africa = non white
t. any south european
YOU LOOK THE SAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Southern Europeans are too normie to think about race. The only occasion where this happens is when We have to distinguish ourselves from sub-saharan african but the rest of the time people dont give a shit about these things. Sorry to break your little illusion that you latin americans have about "le evil racist Iberian".

I'm a south european. White isn't a term we intend the way you do, and among common folks (see: not Jow Forums users) it's the last word we pick to define ourselves. But it's not like you want to change your mind or anything, so stick to your bitchy narrative.

Nope, it's a Spanish invention.

We don't look the same

Don't answer if you're not from this region

maybe not the same, but very similar.
closer to north africans than north europeans

Peninsular is a spanish invention, not white.

Nope it's an Italian invention. Race was used as justification for the first Crusade, with the Pope outright saying that Muslims could not be converted to Christianity because their blood made them barbaric. So thus, they were to be killed

>only if we compare ourselves to blacks
So what if you compare yourselves to MENA's, Latin Americans or Asians?

Pretty obvious, North Africans are still of the caucasian race, north Europeans are part mongoloid.

It is actually an Arab invention

American dominated world. You talk about race all the time but no one outside of USA identify really as white, you identify to your ethnic group. Its only to contrast white vs black vs asian vs amerindian vs arab vs polynesian etc.

For example a Black from Africa and a black from usa have nothing in common

Swarthy.

I don't know about Italy or Portugal but most people in Spain consider themselves white and many are indeed white. Keep in mind that racial slang and the concept of "white" was invented by spaniards to tell mestizos and indios apart from europeans.

Of course it's not the same pasty white of Sweden or Norway, but anyone irl would say they are white before anything else and most people wouldn't be able to tell them apart from other euros.

But yes, there are many that are swarthy, specially in the south. Some are eternal swarthy as north africans and some only get swarthy when they are exposed to sun.

This is the unmemed truth about Spain.

>MENA's
They're arabs/maghrebi/muslim. Foreign people from a foreign culture.
>Latin Americans
We don't think of them enough
>Asians
They're Chinese until they tell you their actual nationality.

Yes

>The same question 10000000 times asked
Yep

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The portgugees are whiter than the spsniards and can be considered white. Italians are mot white

What a stupid question if you allow. Portuguese have a lot of affinity with Italians, they cook well and they known how to prepare a decent coffee. The only other nation that is capable of preparing coffee is then Italy. Spain has less similarities with Portuguese as people think and Spaniards are not Spaniards. You have people from Galicia (that are culturally quite close to Portugal, Basks that are close to Basks, Catalans that have a counterpart in the French Region near Toulouse. Greeks consider themselves uniquely Greek but share heavily cultural aspects with the Turks (which historically is logic but emotionally kills them).
Italians are Racists from North to Center to South but stick together the same. If you never lived in Italy you cannot even understand this complicated country.
And you really think they ask themselves whether they are white? Well if they are Italians from Milan or from Veneto they probably consider Germans and British Niggers LOL. People from Sardegna feel they do not belong to Italy but on the other Hand they live from tourism from the mainland. Still they do not question themselves about being white.
Thinking of it: the only thing a healthy Italian question himself is whether the slip of the girl in front of him is white (or if she even has a slip).
Do you consider yourself Maya? Or do you consider yourself Mexican.
Only because in the US Insurance industry everything that is not WASP is considered "black" that does not mean you are black. It means they(!) are birdbrained.
Get over it and have two tequila, one for you and one on my health. Gracias tio!

This is the most brainlet post i've read. I dare you to find any legitimate source backing your claim.

Lol.

>MENA's

They are usually called "moros" so in this case It is more a "christian vs Islam" division.

>Latin americans

Peninsular vs non-peninsular. That is the division in Spain between you and us.

>Asians

the same than with black

I will leave saying that the word normally used here is "Europeo" rather than "blanco" (white)

Yes and no.

"White" is recent terminology mostly employed by amerimutts, chis and other non really white people.

But originally there was only Hellas, Italia and Hispania. That was Europe, The West and Christianity. Everybody else was either barbarian, jew or persian.

With time, that expanded to include bandwagoner France, and time later expanded again to include as "Honorary West, Christian and European" the Germanics and the Slavs.

With the passing of centuries the definition began ridicolously expanding again to include colonial mutts, albanians and ruskis and morphed into the word "white", for inferiority complex reasons probably, and it really lost all significance.

Nice cherrypick, one of the few Nafris that can pass as Southern European. Pic related is a clear example of North African, very easy look to identify in the street.

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>very easy look to identify in the street.
Because they run away from the police with a purse in their hand?

donparrish.com/EssayPopeUrban.html

Assuming the transcription from the website is not sketchy, as it cites a University of Pennsylvania translation:

>Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved by God as shines forth in very many of your works set apart from all nations by the situation of your country, as well as by your catholic faith and the honor of the holy church!

> that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation forsooth which has not directed its heart and has not entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire;

>Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulcher; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves.

Systemic racism in European society pretty much began with the Pope's call to arms in 1095, assuming we are counting anti-Semitism as religious bigotry (due to usury) and not racism. It went beyond normal Christian-Muslim interactions during that time, way to the point of calling them a "wretched race" that can't be redeemed.

That says nothing about Persians being unable to convert to their blood, brainlet.

Persians are not Arabs, and he's calling Franks the chosen race in the same way Jews call themselves the chosen race.

Do you know what accursed means brainlet?

Kek. I saw that situation few days ago, always the same people...but I meant the looks, the same way when you see here a black or a Northern European person and you know instantly they are foreigners

Persians weren't occupying Jerusalem brainlet. Arabs were. Not like the Pope is going to discriminate considering it was Anatolians attacking Byzantium (sparking pleas for Frankdom to intervene), not Persians nor Arabs, and Jerusalem was a rally point (occupied by Arabs).

He's calling them accursed because they are Muslims who have controlled Jerusalem for 300 years up until that point, and because the difference between them and the Seljuk Turks is unclear. Nowhere is that indicative of the racial dimensions you are implying.

>and he's calling Franks the chosen race in the same way Jews call themselves the chosen race.
protip: Jews are racist when they do that.

Oh. We say basané.
French is always the odd one out.

No

Hey shut up
My opinion matters.
They don't look white to me.

Franks = Frankish people considered blessed because they were Crowned Holy Roman Empire. Notice how it doesn't include other Whites even. Including Latin Italians. What you are referring to would be at most ethnic, not racial. Not all Europeans were Franks or thought to be Franks.

Whitness scale
Argentinians 8.5
Portugeese 5.4
Spanish 5.1
Italian 4.6
French. 3.7
Irish 2.9

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French is very similar trust me. I have no problems reading French newspapers.

You clearly dont understand anything. He's not using the word "race" with the significance that a mutt larper from Wyoming would. He's using that word more in the sense of people or nation.

There were many christians in the Levant and Middle East those days and they were ofc not exactly swedish-looking.

Systemic "racism" went along the lines of religion or "civilized" vs "uncivilized" long before that meme 1095 called to crusade and it had fuck all to do with color of the skin because the same "racism" was applied to pagans like saxons or wends.

>you look the same
we don't
but you look the same as my shit

do you even know how we look?
i doubt there are any italians in pakistan

Europe has spoken. You are arabs.

Why are italians and portuguese so autistic about coffee?
Literally just being cunts without any motive, what if people simply don't like to have coffe as dense as petrol as you do and put some milk on you spergs.

in your wetest dream Jamal
nobody looks disgusting as you
you have litteraly to fly to North europe to have sex since your women consider you less than shit

Yup.

Please explain

looks similar

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damn chill my nigga

I can't speak for South Euros but can for Italian-Americans and can confirm that they have historically and contemporary considered themselves as White. Whether you/anyone personally considers this accurate or has historically agreed with it doesn't matter. They thought/think themselves as White, as did the US government when it comes to civil issues.

We drink them dense because we don't drink coffee leisurely,we drink coffee in the morning to help wake up and after meals to make it easy to digest

they don't tbdesu

Their only similarity is that they played together at Juventus. Stop trolling.

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A better question would be,do latin americans and north africans think they look southern european?The reason you like to downgrade the whiteness of your colonial masters is because you want to lool like us.You will never be white,your patriotism is based on "oh fuck yeah,we were cucked and then uncucked ourselves even though we speak their language"

I really don't get why you're being this autistic. If you pick the darker italians with a little tan, they have a similar skill tone to the lighter skinned north africans I'll give you that.
But still we have fairly different facial features.
It's like saying you can't distinguish and albino black from and actual white person, since they have the same skin tone. Or a japanese and a german which on average have the same color of the skin.

From the perspective of genetic distance, they are the same subspecies. You Pedro, on the other hand, are somewhere between Injuns and Europeans on the genetic map.

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Is this from an actual study or...?
Why do Kalash people group so far from other MENA's?

Also in my opinion southern european and nordics are like a subset of white people.
Quintessential whitness is central-european. Southern european people are still white but with a tan. Northern european are still white even though they have mongol features.

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The references are in the image.

no I consider north Italians white, as a Sardinian i feel closer to the Phoenicians (Tunisians, Lebanese, Syrians etc)

In Latin America, or Mexico, at least Southern Europeans are considered White, if you're talking about the ones on Jow Forums, then it's because of what you said, plus some others playing along with memes, plus some others trying to get closer to being considered White by saying they look like Southern Europeans, even if they really don't (this one is imo the most common reason by far).

Don't know about North Africans.

Yes, but I'm asking if this from an actual study or if it was just made in a forum based on those sources.
Why?

Looks Spanish to me.

>by saying they look like Southern Europeans, even if they really don't (this one is imo the most common reason by far).

I see this happening way too often with Brazilians who are here.

That dude is quintessentially British though.

well, they do. When you go to Madrid and asks for "uno solo", what do think you get. A soup like in Germany or in US? No, you get a best guess of an espresso, just you do not know how to regulate well the machine. The Portuguese learned how to do it. And the Italians know how to do it.

Spanish coffee IS ABSOLUTE SHIT. I was shocked at this. Fuck me.

"white" literally holds no meaning outside of fringe site retards

I've seen it used all around Europe though, but ok.

I mean I don't dislike a fucking espresso and i know what a solo is.
Thing is that almost nobody drinks it like that, people get con leche or cortado.

This is what I meant.
Also wait until you try french coffee...

well I was surprised positively several times in Portugal. Comes close to Italian one but not everywhere. I am missing a bit the crema (I think it is a question of roast procedure more then of grinding or the machine. Maybe somewhat the water).

A cute black girl once asked me what race I was when I was in the US.
Yanks are actually autistic about this in real life.

What about North italians
What are we?

Is it bad?

Almost every small place in Portugal has good Coffee.

It is shit, even I thought it and I do not give a fuck about coffee.
Alse weren't you tugas tea drinkers?

Of course they are white stop dividing the white race. Fuck only 600 million of us are left on this earth and we didn't even start with colonizing other planets and creating designer superhuman babies

Stay strong brothers

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