I JUST WANT IT BACK, I WANT IT BACK SO BADLY

>I HATE THE VIKINGS
Old English and Old Norse are almost identical, my m8.

Quite a lot of words, like anger and egg, came from Old Norse.

old english didn't have instrumental case, just the first four.

cool. i don't really see the problem with this, both old norse and old english evolved from a germanic branch of languages anyway and were pretty much mutually intelligible with each other

‘no’
And sky, Thursday, and they/them/their.
It was present in some essential words
I must also lament on the loss of a proper infinitive and proper verb conjugations

>It was present in some essential words
i didn't know this, that's pretty cool. was it declined for instrumental or were there only certain words that took instrumental case?

just did some of my own reading
>The instrumental is vestigial and only used with the masculine and neuter singular and often replaced by the dative. Only pronouns and strong adjectives retain separate instrumental forms

Yeah basically this.
But there are some words where it’s used all the time, not just when the writer remembered to use it/was being pretentious.

i think it would make a lot of sense using more forms of 'you', especially for a plural form. people say "youse" or "y'all" but those sound absolutely disgusting. i like the early modern english "ye" as plural (also used as formal). it would sound autistic in everyday speech but it makes much more sense.

early modern english actually has a very nice refined declension system for pronouns.

>imagine being viKANGZ and forcing Englishmen to say stupid stuff like “thor’sday” and then actually forgetting how to pronounce the dental fricative yourselves
LMAO
>tor’s day
Lol

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Celestial>sky
Equestrian>horse
Would you like me to keep going?

>‘no’
Yes, just compare them. Vocab is almost the same (some words having other uses, but same root).

I’d just like English to not be so different from other european languages. Even pure Germanic and romance languages have similarities that English doesn’t have, on the basic level.

I don’t mind having a mix of influences and even Dutch and German have a few Latin roots.
On the other hand some of our idiosyncrasies come from rare hipster languages like Icelandic.

>implying any Englishman can pronounce þórsdag

This is actually hilarious

He’s right, there was an Icelandic poster on KC who could straight up read old English. My mind was fucking blown.

The only difference is in second person:
Thou vs thee
Ye vs you
Pic related is a true respactable pronoun repository
>no dual in modern English
Where did it all go wrong? Brb, going to learn Arabic.
Thu - singular
Yit- dual
Ye - plural
Simple as that, but the vikingz and French had to mess it up.

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They could read it, since the alphabet is basically the same, but I doubt they could understand. Or could they?

I meant to reference the Swedish guy.

And if you look at any Nordic language they have some words I thought were exclusive to English. For example “hey”

i think dual is a bit extreme. singular and plural is perfectly reasonable as we can outsource context to give ourselves the proper meaning

Some words, like same, is unknown whether it's from Old English or Old Norse. But other words are clearly of Old Norse origin and lack Old English cognate.

they could read it but the vowel phonemes between old english and icelandic are drastically different, so he probably read it with an "icelandic accent"

If I remember right, th-stopping began in High German varieties and spread to all continental Germanic languages.

Some people say Icelanders and Anglo-saxons could understand each other without any interpreter but nobody knows if that’s true.
However if you’re an Icelandic guy fluent in English, I’m pretty sure you could read old English (surprising as that sounds).
Even the glottal stop in English accents came from Danes, it’s built into their language.

If you learn any Germanic language you realize they set up their sentences just like Middle Ages English (like from the Bible) that sounds funny to us.

t. moderate power level

how can you want back something you never had

>He’s right, there was an Icelandic poster on KC who could straight up read old English. My mind was fucking blown.
I can read OE pretty well too because of my knowledge in ON. There's a based Serb here on Jow Forums who studies OE, and I can read his posts just fine when he posts in OE.

>some words I thought were exclusive to English. For example “hey”
U serious?

Icelanders also incorrectly read ON with Icelandic phonemes due to the "icelandification" of the ortography in most works available, especially those by Guðni Jónsson.

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>"icelandification" of the ortography
interesting, why would they do this

>ortography
>t

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>he acts like he's never made a spelling mistake
please mate, don't embarrass yourself

Yes, hey is considered informal or impolite in a formal situation in English. Surprised when I found out it’s standard Swedish.
(Hello only became popular with the invention of the telephone, so I don’t know what they used before that)
Also surprised when I found out Scandis gave English the æ sound.

is "ƿ" voiced?

yes lets turn english into pretty much every other indoeuropean language instead of appreciate the power and uniqueness of its current form

english is just chinese with germanic roots

60% of Icelandic maternal DNA came from Anglo-saxon women from the Cumbria kingdom.

It is suggested that the women preferred Nordic bvlls to anglo men. Hence a lot of mutual intelligibility between the languages. Probably Icelanders realized they were on a small island and couldn’t keep marrying their cousins so they went for girls who spoke a similar language.

icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/politics_and_society/2015/01/12/many_icelanders_of_british_origin/

Cumbrics are also the guys who founded Edinburgh.

If you learn any Germanic language you realize they set up their sentences just like Middle Ages English (like from the Bible) that sounds funny to us.

This makes sense because reading the King James Bible allows you to see 'Germanic' English. Yes it sounds very poetic, but is pretty much how English would structured if placed over German grammar.

quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=cme;idno=LayCal

this could have been us lads

Ease of reading when language changes?

Well, shit m8, I made a mistake.

>Yes, hey is considered informal or impolite in a formal situation in English. Surprised when I found out it’s standard Swedish.
Well, it comes from 'heill' which means 'whole' or 'heal' and is a friendly greeting towards someone, an display of good intentions and wishing them good health. L-ending has just been dropped.
Technically the formal equivalent in English is 'hail'.

Yes, it's just w.
>wæs
>ƿæs
It's a matter of orthography, really.

>an display
Typed something else first and then changed it, overlooked this. Sorry.
a* display

I really wish English would adopt the "thorn" letter.

if "ease of reading" sacrifices rules of the target language, then they shouldn't reform it for ease of reading, because it sounds like it's being butchered.

we'd make great uses of both the eth and thorn.

You need thorn and eth to cover all the possible “th” sounds.
You might as well add other letters back in like all the vowel words. Only 5 vowel words is such BS, you can never tell how a word is pronounced from how it’s written. English used to be so well written.

Why are there almost no Brits in this thread?

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Yes! plus aesthetically pleasing to read.

I wish English would get rid of the Germanic crap and be like French.

The modern Brit is a self-hating apologetic. The true sons and daughters of the Englishmen of yore are we who honor their language.

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das ist eine widerliche Ahnung

Apologetic for the French, I mean.

all the brits of any value moved to australia

Isn't the English language being perpetually being fucked in all its holes from the dawn of history by waves of migrants, then by the locals in colonies, and now finally by Hispanised y*nks and Euro-English used in EU?

Since English was standardized (by the tudors I think?) it really hasn’t changed that much.

>Old letters
Do you þink ðey should be brought bæck to English?

>standardized
>English

In the South we have our version of thee/thou with “yall” (jall)
Alabama confirmed for Nordic country.

y'all sounds fucking disgusting.

Some of them, like å

å is the sound in Auburn. Only found in north germanic languages today.

Forgot to mention pic related
Yea
Disgusting

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South bro!
Y'all is patrician tier. Ignore the haters, they are only jealous.

>he thinks Alabama isn't nordic
Lmaoing at ur life

It doesn't change too much, but enough to be distinguishable. It's still archaic to Icelanders, but that bridge covers the extra mileage I guess.
I always avoid Guðni Jónsson's works if I can. His orthographical reform prohibits my reading as I instinctively pronounce things wrong because of it.

Æ doesn't go there. The 'a' in back is not pronounced as /æ/.

>In the South we have our version of thee/thou with “yall” (jall)
Jáll would be closer. :^)

>å is the sound in Auburn.
Depends on the speaker. I've only heard it as a long vowel 'a'; Āburn.

>I'd gladly sacrifice myself to restore the grammar and linguistic purity and dignity of English anyway.
If you sacrificed yourself you wouldn't exist and thus whether or not your ideals are realised has any bearing.

>Alabama confirmed for Nordic country
you have no idea how ridiculous that sounds
now pull that out of context and it's even better

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>Y'all
>Jáll would be closer.
Noice!!

>y'all is patrician tier
>is
Why do you not use "are" though?

he's saying the word itself is patrician, ergo you should conjugate it as third person singular
example : "we is a nice word"

this. if you're after purity of english roots, at least conjugate correctly

>he doesn't know vikings were from Alabama
>he never heard of Swedeholm Alabama

laughing scandinavian sluts.tor

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>>he never heard of Swedeholm Alabama
I kekked

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>Swedeholm Alabama
Some town over there needs to change their name to this!

Ah,
>"y'all" is patrician tier
right ?
Also I heard that "they" can be used for neuter-gendered singular pronoun, but how does the grammar work? Does it still use "are" instead of "is" like "they" plural pronoun? Since I find it weird since Dutch use "zij" for "she/they" and the way to differentiate it is with the grammar, example "she eats" = "zij eet" and "they eat" = "zij eten."

>Swedeholm Alabama
Oh wow

We should start naming our places after places in America too and see how ridiculous it sounds to locals on the other side of the pond haha

AH NO WAIT
wiadomosci.wp.pl/nowy-jork-znika-z-mapy-polski-6037564459140225a
We had Nowy Jork (New York) but it was annexed by nearby town it seems

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>I HATE FRANCE
So do I, but the Normans weren't French.

youtu.be/dVXRYlAKI0A
youtu.be/KrIOv68OiOs
youtu.be/yD9fkqx9AEs

The biggest city here is named Birmingham (after Birmingham, England)
Sometimes people even book flights here and get a hell of a surprise. But mostly it just fucks up our google results.

yeah, but they is always conjugated as plural, even if it's used in a singular context.
Example: "whoever I'm talking to, they should know ...." I use they because I don't know the gender of whom I'm talking about.

>whoever
whomever

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>Sometimes people even book flights here and get a hell of a surprise.
How?

>2nd Person Plural
>you
*you lot

You just had to lose
Lel. I've been there.talk about a big surprise indeed. The burbs are nice. Vestavia hills etc..
>Whom
Ah yes the dying Accusative case. I wish English had more cases. Learning German was a massive pain because of their system.

are you angry about their influence on the English lexicon? because that's honestly the least of the language's problems.

Ye?
I think that was the original (you pl.)

They think they're getting a ticket to birmingham, england (BHX) and instead buy one to birmingham, alabama (BHM)

Lots of cities in the US are named after other places but it's rare they both share a language and are a decent size.

>You just had to lose
We had this battle to deal with first:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge

...Where we lost 5,000 men (not including those injured). Then we had to march all the way to the other end of the country to confront William the Bastard. Thank the Norwegians.

>They think they're getting a ticket to birmingham, england (BHX) and instead buy one to birmingham, alabama (BHM)
Yes, but how? Apart from being stupid, there must be price differences and stuff to tip them off before even booking.

There's not a big price difference if you're a british person visiting America
Or if you're just drunk buying tickets
independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/couple-lose-1200-wrong-birmingham-booking-birthday-trip-las-vegas-a7005156.html

loool

>I wish English had more cases.
Why? We seem to get by just fine without them. More != better.

Of course the Scottish/Picts where probably no where to be found.

I'd add Accusative and Vocative. Rest aren't necessary.

Genitive is nice too, but you have 's and "of" which work fine.

it's just like in german with the plural/formal sie/Sie. both are conjugated to look as if they're plural but they have multiple meanings.
>Kommen Sie aus Deutschland? -> Are you from Germany?/Are you (all) from Germany?/Are they from Germany?

"Whom/Who" is the best example of Accusative.
I have no idea how Vocative would function in English.