Why can't Americans build houses properly?

I know, f3 tornado in our cunt

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>doing nothing with the land
idiot that where all the farming happens

>i don't understand why they don't build houses made from bricks

Because we're not interested in paying insane prices for a shoebox that we can never renovate or change in our lives unless we knock the entire thing down or pay the same cost as building it just to modify the extremely modification unfriendly brick structure.

I kind of hope that F5 tornados become a thing in Europe so these smug brick shills can realise how non-impressive their houses are.

This webm is from Russia, not America

low IQ

I wish we could find a way to utilize tornado energy

We can, we just don't.

Also to everyone using tornadoes as a defense, I'm in western Washington where tornadoes simply don't exist and most houses here aren't brick either.

greed

wind turbines designed for tornadoes? But then chasing the tornadoes around would kill the point.

Just put wind turbines in its way bro :^)

It doesn't matter what the structure is made of if it's not specifically built to withstand high winds.

disastersafety.org/hurricane/commercial-high-wind-demo

A wooden structure with the same design intent does equally well

disastersafety.org/hurricane/2010-ibhs-research-center-grand-opening/

The unreinforced block structure does much better than the unreinforced wood, but the reinforced wood outperforms both. Keep in mind the the reinforced used in the video is required by law in most hurricane prone areas. Tornados are a different story as they strike randomly over a large area and produce much higher winds. Note how the car is blown around like a toy in that vid. No structure but an underground reinforced concrete one can survive stronger tornados. The solution in tornado prone areas is to have a tornado shelter not reinforcing your home.

because you are a retard.
brick is 3rd world

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that's like half of the country, you shit for brain

Das right

Real first world countries build houses out of doors

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you pay insane prices for location not for the materials. even multi million houses are not made of brick. they may be finished with brick. because it is not the 19th century anymore

>houses made from paper are the first world while sturdy houses are 3rd world!
i understand that those houses in tornado areas are from paper since it's safer and easier to rebuild becasue farming and such but to claim that wood is better than brick is retarded.
In areas not affected by natural disasters brick is absolutley superior

It's illegal. Not even kidding, go look up regulations for when a building you build starts being classified as a fortification/bunker. You'll often see that a lot of American brick houses are actually just a façade of bricks held up by the same old shitty wood and favela tier shit, also that a lot of basements don't have interior walls made out of things such as concrete. Basically the government has had a very hard time eroding the 2nd amendment, but in the meantime they've been making sure any armed revolt would be stuck defending in papier mache houses.

That and "IT BIGGUR SO IT BETTUR". Obviously it's a lot easier to big a huge favela home than a proper stone house (same with their cars, ever seen the interior of an American car?).

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>brick is 3rd world

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Houses don't come free

>In areas not affected by natural disasters brick is absolutley superior
Wow, instead of just moving the goal post you've demolished it completely

you are a fucking moron. most northern countries like canada or norway have exact same wood houses. they used to build brick houses here 100 years ago. but brick is shit. it is hard for repairs and it has inferior insulation. the engineered wood provides much better insulation that's why houses are made of wood in cold climates. you just don't know any better.

what the fuck is this RT tire malarkey sven, gb2pol

typical swedish house. not only is it wood it is also crappy wood. a very obsolete technology.

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becasue i learnt from those other americans that it's better to build from wood in tornado areas
>brick is shit
>inferior insulation
>the engineered wood
oh jesus christ you can't be this retarded
>it's hard for repairs
i have never seen a brick house being repaired, once you've built it it's going to stand there for eternity
on top of that brick houses are the ones that have superior insulation not houses made from cardboard

Most houses in those areas have basements.
Yeah brick is shit because the mortar has minimal tensile capacity to resist bending. All you have helping you is the self weight which doesn't help that much. Reinforced concrete block (cmu) is something different and that is a lot better than wood but it's also a lot more expensive and a pain in the ass if you ever want to remodel.
As others have said in this thread, brick is mainly used as a veneer and the structural wall is something else (wood/steel studs, cmu) behind it.

>WTF why don’t burgers evacuate this entire area?

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>He ALWAYS makes door puns when someone walks by.

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>bending
where in US houses bend?

>on top of that brick houses are the ones that have superior insulation not houses made from cardboard
No. Go look up the R-value for brick and then compare it to the insulation that they put between the wood studs.

Just build a wall against the hurricane like it's no big deal lmao

My house is built in reinforced concrete to withstand Hans, Burt, and Ivan's bullshit and even has a nuclear shelter in the basement.

A properly built wooden house is quite sturdy you mutt, but obviously the main focus here in Sweden was defending against the cold rather than tornadoes.

Think about wind blowing against a wall.

Yes the answer to all our issues is walls.

i mean remodeling, you retard. you'd have to run wiring on the outside. there are no hollow space between the interior and exterior walls like in our houses with drywall. it is super convenient. that's why wiring in the 3rd world houses is such a mess. a modern house has a wood frame, not a fucking brick.
>brick houses are the ones that have superior insulation
i am telling you that the coldest countries all have wood houses. so that's bullshit.

>wooden houses
Oh boy how I love dealing with termites, wood rot, anything being able to make a hole in the wall, humidity ruining the wood, and endless other maintenance costs

>houses bend if wind is blowing hard at them
you're living around houses made from wood so it's obvious you think house should bend when there's strong wind but anywhere in Euro land houses don't bend when wind hits them

Unless you're in tornado country (that user specified anywhere BUT tornado country), brick really doesn't care about wind. It not bending will not lead to the damn house falling apart. Yeah you probably can't build a horrid modernist-brutalist offence to beauty and life with brick as well as with steel, plastics, and wood.

Neither of you seem to comprehend that you can build with wood that isn't the favelado-tier trash that Americans use.

It's a risk vs reward thing.
99.9% of houses built will never have to endure a tornado or flood.
So it makes sense to build a house that is structurally sound but not tornado proof.

Indeed, yes. Cheap European garages come premanufactured out of concrete. Better garages are usually made out of the same bricks and possibly insulation as the house to mimic its appearance.
Quite a lot of people have garden sheds made out of bricks too although I won't pretend it's the majority.

>A properly built wooden house is quite sturdy
What's your fucking point, faggot? I am saying the same thing. You keep arguing that brick is better than wood. I showed you your house made of wood. Now you are going to argue that this house is somehow "sturdier" than our houses? Fuck off. This house is shit.

They treat wood now and Architects have perfected their flashing details over decades.
No. I'm a structural engineer. I know how this shit works.
Brick cares about wind because it's a force acting against the face of it. The wall is braced at the base by friction and at the top by the roof diaphragm. When the wind force acts on the wall it pushes/pulls it such that it "bends" and then the overall stress in the wall is a function of P/A±M/S (axial force/area ± bending moment/section modulus) If the axial load isn't high enough and/or the bending moment is too large, the brick won't have enough tensile capacity to not crack open and eventually topple over.

Damn nigga you mad.

Show me a better tier then, faggot.
I showed you a swedish house. Here is the average norwegian house. In what way are they better?

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why houses in europe are built from bricks if what you posted is true
seems important

Because they're likely ancient or what you're seeing is just a veneer or they have multiple wythes of brick or they're really reinforced concrete block.

you would have to evacuate either way with a tornado your house. bricks would just be easy projectiles if one hit your house. Also wood is much more earthquake proof than brick and concrete as well. Lastly it is the cheapest local material in most parts of the US so it works. Stop acting like bricks are some godlike fool proof building material

>they have multiple wythes of brick or they're really reinforced concrete block.
that's what i meant when i said houses in europe are made from brick, we didn't understood eachohters

Nice trips.

>No. I'm a structural engineer. I know how this shit works.
>Brick cares about wind because it's a force acting against the face of it. The wall is braced at the base by friction and at the top by the roof diaphragm. When the wind force acts on the wall it pushes/pulls it such that it "bends" and then the overall stress in the wall is a function of P/A±M/S (axial force/area ± bending moment/section modulus) If the axial load isn't high enough and/or the bending moment is too large, the brick won't have enough tensile capacity to not crack open and eventually topple over.
That's cool I'm a nanotech engineer, so you can keep the terrible attempts at appearing smart by spouting simple physics (because you're not posting any actual calculations that somehow show brick can't withstand hard winds). You know damn well that bricks have no issues withstanding those forces outside of extreme weather conditions such as tornadoes or hurricanes. Brick houses have stood for hundreds of years in Europe (and America, you used to build with bricks too). In fact, bricks hold a lot better than shitty plywood and spit constructions, even when they don't bend, because bending is far from the only thing that matters.

There are a fucktonne of different types of wood as well as different types of ways to build with wood. Yes they're fucking sturdier than favelado shit. They're not particularly sturdy, but still sturdier than the fucking paper you use. It's no bunker, but your houses are an extreme case of shit structure.

because you are 3rd world fucks who don't know any better
you better tell me, why do you think even multi million houses in the us all have wood frames? surely people who can afford them don't care about the price of materials. also, why do you think all of latin america even the poorest ares all have brick houses? the cost of brick is not the issue, do you understand that?

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damn you're mad

Also I'd point out that those houses are pretty low on the price tag, they're the worst we've got. Like said (as much as he tries to shill for his favela stuff), even your multi million dollar houses are built like shit.

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because then they couldnt brag about cheap house prices (ignoring the shit locations which usually require a half hour drive to get to the shops)

Ok. Then the difference is just a cost to performance issue and wood is good enough.
Structural engineers are the brainlets of the engineers, I'm not trying to appear smart at all but I was just trying to explain what is going on to those guys who couldn't picture how a wall "bends."
I'm not going to waste my time with calculations but someone can try if they want -- just assume something like 20psf wind pressure; that should get you in the ball park. A 4" course of brick weights roughly 40psf and the tensile capacity of mortar is -- fuck it, I have no idea, 30psi?
Yeah brick works because it's in multiple wythes which makes it more of a pain in the ass to work with.

then prove it faggot. how are they sturdier? what makes them sturdy? you just keep spouting this bullshit about "muh wood is better than your wood". this pic is in norway after a hurricane that produced some minor tornadoes

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>multi million dollar houses
>built like shit
Fucking retard

I have a feeling he doesn't know about the materials used in the USA just like I don't know about the commonly used material outside of the USA. He is right about there being different types of wood and that some are a lot stronger than others.

Absolute state

Yeah, hard to argue with low IQ people.
Here is what would happen if they had even minor tornadoes in Europe. This was a minor tornado in Norway caused by a rare hurricane.

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They probably just toenailed the roof trusses to the wall plates -- I would be surprised if houses in the USA are any different.
Hardware like this might help, but I don't think residential codes require anything like this.

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Sure, I'm not disagreeing brick is very inflexible compared to other options. Brick is more monolithic (once it's down you can almost consider it a single slab as far as modifications and such go, it's not very modular), harder to work with, and once it's down it's down, but that's kinda the point, it's supposed to sit there for the next 250 years. American houses (at least most new ones, I know very well that you guys also used to build a lot with bricks too) are obviously not built with 250 years in mind. Now if you prefer a house that lasts you a few hundred years or one that you tear down and rebuild/change/remodel after 50 is up to you, but I personally prefer to go with the former.

>wood houses don't hold up well against tornadoes
No shit, are you gonna show me a brick house and a wood house both being destroyed by an F5 to prove that wood is as sturdy as brick? It's not about our wood being better, it's just about the construction and what types of wood are used. Generally, US homes use a lot of plywood and other flimsy materials as well as a generally weaker structure. This is well known to everyone, I'm not spending a few hours gathering building specs off the internet to prove to you that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun.

>Yeah, hard to argue with low IQ people.
I know user, I noticed.

>I know very well that you guys also used to build a lot with bricks too
Yes, yes, you said that in your last post and you are correct. I've even worked on an old 5 story factory from 1904 that was brick (3 wythes).
>US homes use a lot of plywood and other flimsy materials as well as a generally weaker structure.
The plywood (or OSB) is just sheathing that acts as a diaphragm. What material do you use that is stronger? I can't think of anything. If anything there might be houses that only use gypsum wall board, which would absolute trash.
Anyway, more than the wood, I think it's the hardware that makes a difference (pic related).
If you're curious, at least in the midwest USA, we use a lot of spruce pine fir and hem fir... sometimes douglas fir if we need a higher strength. LSL is pretty common for really tall walls where you can't get studs that long that remain straight.

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Here is their industrial building. Same wooden frame, huh?
I mean the dumb yuro shits on Jow Forums judge the quality of the materials based on the damage from tornadoes they see in the pictures. That's their only criteria. Somehow they think that brick is sturdier, or maybe "their wood houses" are sturdier. Simply because they don't have tornadoes. But when they do here is what happens

> F5
Where? in Norway? that was an F2

> plywood and other flimsy materials
jesus fuck, i justed posted a picture to prove that your materials are the same. look at the pictures, faggot.
>gathering building specs
again, you don't need specs, look at the pictures

>well known to everyone
yeah autists on Jow Forums. what a dumbfuck

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Why is he in his car in the first place when he probably already knew before getting in that a tornado touched down? he needed cigarettes that badly?

You've missed my point completely. It doesn't matter what it's build out of when a tornado hits. So might as well get more house for less money. The only protection in a tornado is a tornado shelter. That or you could live in German ww2 bunker.

Before you call anyone stupid, maybe you should learn the difference hurricane and tornado.

> needed cigarettes
> go for a drive
Hahaha
You're not making this any better.

Also, why did you post a picture of a building under construction?
Pic related. Same storm btw.

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>Termites
>Wood rot

Is it 1834 in Mexico?

This post does nothing but show exactly why these threads keep getting made, because you're all so incredibly clueless about the subjects you know effectively nothing.

No, termites are not an issue in any house made in the past 50 years, nor is humidity (seriously nigger, treated wood is a century old at this point).

Holy fucking Christ, Euros (and Mexicans apparently) love to spam their >American Education shit but you people are more retarded than any American on this site.