struggling to see the point or benefit of nationalism.
I don't trust any government of any country and certainly don't feel an alleigance to a government
I have had close friends and gfs who were foreign, and seemingly citizenship or proximity in terms of living near each other had no impact on that
I sometimes like things from other places, even more than their equivalents from where I am.
So remind me what is the point of nationalism?
>inb4 posts implying i'm offering up an alternative system individuals should question and reject notions of nationalism and redirect their passions and energies to the tangible (chiefly themselves and environment and others around them) rather than buying into the romantic myths designed to make them do bidding of the gilded class aka 'nations'
White people are so fragile they need to be put on an endangered species list and kept apart from all other races so that they do not dissapear from their own countries in the next 30 years or so.
Isaiah Cook
white people will always exist. the idea that they are disappearing is farcical.
Benjamin Brown
>nationalism is about the government
Brody Wood
fuck wh*te "people"
Joshua Perez
what is nationalism about? it seems like a really flimsy concept?
is nationalism about a government putting down laws on a territory?
is nationalism about feeling a greater kinship with people who speak the same language and who are from a place which is either proximal or belongs to the same state as me?
Both of those are weird alleigances to have.
Parker James
when i think of nationalism i think of my people, culture and history. everyone hates their government
Mason Hall
You can think about those things without being nationalistic. Its a vague term anyway
Ian Mitchell
my problem with that is that: some of my most intimate and compatible relationships with other humans, were not with people who were 'my people', who did not share my culture or history.
in fact just because someone is one of 'my people' means almost nothing to me, I tend to judge people on their compatibility to more personally fundamental attributes as opposed to cursory ones like that.
as for culture and history, these are interesting, but to some degree these are preserved by people themselves, not by an ideology imo.
Jack Williams
Good post
Benjamin Gray
I watch people call each other civic or ethno nationalists, without anyone every questioning nationalism itself.
I don't really know what could replace the world order of countries, but I think its worth questinoing it nonetheless, it doesn't seem like a house built on a particularly solid foundations
Alexander Parker
that's not the point. i connect better with other danes than foreigners. whenever i'm on vacation in other countries i feel so out of place and don't get their customs and mentality even if i speak their language. then when i arrive home it's all good and nice.
Adam Evans
I have the urge to leave my country because its continually becoming a less comfy place to be.
that said of course i'm more familiar with it than anywhere else. however i don't think that for the sake of familiarity i should limti my life.
I've lived in other countries before and loved it and I'm itching to do so again. I don't see why I should be bound to a certain place because of 'nationalism'.
Juan Martinez
The "my people" thing can be used to bring you closer faster or either sets you closer simply because they share your culture and that you have things in common. Also, your writing is painfully pretentious and you space like a plebbitor so >>>/reddit/
Logan Bell
nationalism doesn't mean only your own country. if i'm obsessed with india, its people and culture then i'm an indian nationalist. basically, you do get the point of nationalism you just can't apply it for your own country
It's one of those concepts that holds people together. Like family and other communities. You might ignore someone if it's just a random person, but if it's your fellow national, you might be more empathetic towards them. Ultimately, it would be best if we cared about everyone, but nationalism is a step in the right direction.
Besides, take a look at Afghanistan for an example of a country without nationalism.
Chase Foster
I’d say you were interested in India, not that you were a nationalist.
Lucas Walker
I don't feel that. I see it like this: I have friends from growing up, we were friends because we lived near each other and growing up together helped shape us - however now as adults we don't really have much in common and we've drifted away, because the main thing keeping us together (proximity) has been violated and we've grown up into different people. These sorts of friends is the same alleigance as 'my people' in a national sense.
By contrast people who you as an adult, naturally click with, not just becuase you have to see each other daily because you live on the same road, but because you exogenously share hobbies, interests, passions and ways of seeing the world - these are true friends who you can fall back on at any time regardless of proximity. - This is like being cosmopolitan, where you don't see borders between people and yourselves, you instead seek out compatibilities which aren't restrained by proximity.
Jaxon Martin
Dumb rightists always resort to stupid memes like this
Your are a citizen of a nation If bad things happen to that nation bad things will probably happen to you If your nation is in a state of war or in a trade conflict or similar it would be bad for everyone in it if your country was on the losing side Thus having allegiance to your country and trying to defend it from others is pretty rational
Justin Butler
@92846620 not an interesting reply. india is a good example of what is not a nation. it has multiple languages, religions, cultures and histories. India is a state.
What if you're willing to give all cultures and people a go? I think you should divide people from cultures though. Amongst a given set of people there will certainly be some i like and some i dislike. I don't see how you can like 'a people', as opposed to liking certain persons.
as for culture, this is also a pretty nebulous thing. indians these days wear jeans and check shirts rather than turbans and pyjamas, what culture do i like if i like indian culture?
I udnerstand communities and families, as in these are tangible things where you know the people involved.
nations are intangible becasue they're families consisting of 10000000s of people, the vast majority of whom you will nevr know. Why would you feel particularly more empathetic to a given stranger as to another? if you're bilingual - surely you're then not constrained by language insofar as common understanding permits extra empathy?
Adam Flores
You don't feel like that since your culture has been completely eroded by modern burger consumerist culture. My English knowledge is too shit to explain this like a non-retard so i'll just leave you with a shitty "something a westerner can't understand"
Joseph Garcia
many british people tried to take up irish citizenship when there were suspicions bad things could happen to this country.
people have migrated from their country elsewhere throughout history.
people have followed their country against their interest into stupid wars, throughout history.
I don't see where rationality is involved in any of this?
Thomas Torres
Racists have below-average intelligence. Conservatives have below-average intelligence. These are facts.
>struggling to see the point or benefit of nationalism. Good, it means you aren't an inferior being.
>Why would you feel particularly more empathetic to a given stranger as to another Because we most likely share a culture and a native language. Even if I do speak English, I will never be as comfortable using it as I would be Lithuanian.
And nationalism doesn't constrict who you're empathetic towards, it expands that range. Sadly most people have a worldview of "us and them", nationalism simply expands the concept of "us". This isn't universal, of course, a bydlo will shank his national as gladly as he would a foreign national. Mostly, I think it's good at holding states together. Problem is, I don't think we'll ever have a strong global sense of community because there will always be a need for "them". Unless we ever contact aliens :^)
Landon Adams
I haven't ever personally felt more inclined to empathy for someone from my own nation than from another - barring communication issues.
Just as a basic example: I've been bullied at school by people who shared their culture, language and local area with me. - So why would i expect more alleigance towards random people just based on culture and language?
Surely the people you feel closest to are those who are compatible to you in terms of more fundamental characteristics? People you enjoy being around, you make you feel understood on a personal level and who you feel you can undestand on a personal level?
Jaxon Adams
Nationalism is just another form of tribalism. If you don't like it, good that means you aren't hindered by retards who have little influence on your life
Connor Bell
tribalism works because it's concerning people you've actually met and live around. in tribes you're presumably so fucking socially isolated from the wider world, of coruse the people 'who get you' and are 'compatible' are likely to be your fellow tribesmen who you spend all fucking day with, sleeping in huts and so on together.
but trying to extrapolate this to sedentary populations, consisting of millions of individuals, in socities where we aren't as reliant on other people - is just strange?
why would i feel any more alleigance to my next door neighbour than to my pen-pal halfway across the world?
Ayden Parker
It's simple >be poor >be stupid >I'm better because muh ancestors The most nationalistic parts of the UK are the shittiest just like in the US. Maybe they should stop being poor and stupid
Connor Morales
Yeah, mostly the same here. But nationalism does help motivate some people to work harder or perhaps help someone when they otherwise wouldn't. It gives you something to be proud of. I believe it mostly has a positive effect. Sometimes it gets distorted by people seeking power, but even then it isn't nationalism alone that causes the issue, but rather the xenophobia. But on a far bigger scale, which does make a difference. Tribalism doesn't work.
Ethan Ramirez
>Tribalism doesn't work. it works amongst tribes.
>Sometimes it gets distorted by people seeking power i see nationalism entirely as this. being peaceful towards your neighbour as an idea can come from many sources.
Noah Reyes
This I agree with with great sadness.
Angel Moore
>struggling to see the point or benefit of nationalism. I guess the idea is that you can get people to worship the nation as a god, then they will do anything for their nation, even murder.
And history has borne this out. People with extreme allegiances to x y z nation and kill those who are apart from their vision of what the nation should look like. That said, you seem to confuse the nation with the govt and those 2 are not one and the same.
>White people ITT I see a lot of mention of white people, but some of the most noxious nationalists of all time were in East and South Asia, hell Hindu nationalists are some of the worst people and are south asian
Jayden Taylor
>nationalism = liking the goverment this is your brain on brownskin iq
>double spacing >long winded blog post >sincere attempt to convince someone of how smart and metropolitan you are Holy fuck how much of an obvious redditor can you be?
And nationalism is the one that works best, currently. >it works amongst tribes. Again, Afghanistan. Every fault nationalism has, tribalism has too, just without the economy of scale when it comes to the benefits.
They are the gateway here and if someone is doing their best to be personal and virtous like he doesnt realise he's posting under the name "anonymous" you know he's from there
Gabriel Cruz
Your country shapes who you are. What language you speak, what culture you belong to, what people you end up meeting. It shapes your ideology greatly. If even your family fucking hates you, and you have no people you can call friend, your country is that one group you'll always belong to. I'm from a third world country. Many people here would brush it off as a third world shitpit. But it's probably the only thing I've ever felt I belong to. Being both unintelligent and ugly, my country is probably the only thing about my identity that I can feel a sense of pride about. It gives me what little pride and dignity I have. It's only fair that I defend my country's pride and dignity by championing its culture and celebrating it in whatever way I can. You're from the UK, the English have held the largest empire there ever was on this earth. It's easy to find pride in it. Your country, unlike the foreign friends you spoke about, is the only thing that is sure to be always there for you to channel positive emotions from. Maybe I wouldn't be a nationalist if I weren't a mediocre person that has to funnel its pride from something he has no control over, yet, the fact that my country is always something that I can always hold on to with pride just compels me to always treat it with the utmost reverence.
