/african culture thread/

You're almost african.

Ah bebers live african as do Egyptians and Nubians.

You africa isn't just black people right?

you are an african hakimi muhammad al-maroc

>tfw there's 2 wh*Toids and one foreigner from the Middle e*St

May Allah bless Mother Africa, the first continent to have introduced diversity.

Only geographically. North Africa and subsaharian Africa are as related as Japan and Israel, both being Asia.

north africans have black blood,
morocans are basically mulatos

who /unironically/ hates wh*Te people ?

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yes... i do... kill all whites... الموت للكفار ... الله أكبر

What are your favorite African countries?
Me:
Egypt
South Africa
Mali
Ethiopia
Morocco
Kenya
Namibia
Tanzania
Tunisia
Madagascar
DR of Congo

Much less than you, Edmilson

yes... all good... all kill evil whites... الموت للكفار ... الله أكبر

>Death to kuffars, allah akbars

Yep, i still got the hang of it

*sip*

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t muhammad

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Calm down Mpumelelo

>red haired Aryans
red haired berbers*
ftfy

In terms of history

Egypt
Morocco
Tunisia
Ethiopia
Algeria
Mali

I want to go to Africa

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>berber
>Aryan
Sorry Djamal but you are a brown shitskin like your fellows

hahaha nice one my negroid friend

Any Algerian city have more history than the whole Ethiopia/Mali

Also Tunisia/Algeria (and morocco to some extent) have exactly the same history, it's autistic to even compare them

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Never said they were, berbers are NOT aryans, aryan people (outside of nazi memes) correspond to a specific set of people that migrated in the iranian plateau, then europe, from the central/asia - indian sub continent

Ancient berbers were for an important part redhaired/blond tho, it's a fact.

if u go to africa we kill white like u... الموت للكفار ... الله أكبر

No they don't numidian dog LOL

Nop,the vast majority is brown, and were always brown, the only lightskin ones that you see now, are the ones who live in places that were previously under the vandal rule,

>impying you can appropriate yourself the carthagian history

there is more carthagian land in modern day Algeria than modern day Tunisia.
And most of city on the algerian coast, including Algiers, were founded by Carthagians

Carthagian culture, langage and history survived in Algeria centuries after it was destroyed in Tunisia

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this.
dont come here

>I can't handle real history so I make up facts

UNESCO General History of Africa, Vol. II, Abridged Edition: Ancient Africa, p 239

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many lybians look black admixed too

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Sorry about that my Barbary Pirate friend

>Numidian dog
>Tunisian thinking his ancestors were actually Carthaginians

Implying your ancestors weren't cucked Berbers enslaved and treated like subhumans by the semites until BLACK Numidians bois took back their lands.

Ethopians were considerd the equals of both the Persian Roman and Chinese empires

No shit, libya always had a population of ~1 million for centuries and they had a very high number of slaves

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it's a miracle libya isnt 100% black today

1 million libyans + 700,000 black slaves, very bad combo

>the history of the creation of Carthage is literally a berber man cucking a pheonician woman (diddo)

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Spain is more carthaginian than you, by that logic. They also have carthagena and barcelone. I think they're the true successors of carthage. The city of carthage is in tunisia. You were only part of our holdings, like spain. An expansion. Do you also think you're french becaude you were part of their colonial empire?
It isn't about heritage. He says carthage is part of algeria's history. It's not. Numidia is. Maybe I should larp as roman/italian because Africa Proconsularis was roman land. See? It sounds retarded.

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The same guy who consider that also considered that bebers were Atlantean and the most advanced civilisation.

And no, Ethiopian weren't, by any measureable data, even close to 1/100 of what the Persian, Roman or Chinese empires were in term of economy, science, architecture, legacy, military etc.

Except Ethiopian civilization is one of the oldest on the entire planet also they didn't get cucked by Islam and destroyed by the Romans

You realise they're 95% abrahamic/33 muslim, right? Is this amerishart education at play?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbk54q0Jks8

Actually study the history of ethopia

You know islam isn't the only Abrahamic religion right? Many you should rethink your whole post

youtube.com/watch?v=FFGtGfLUP4o

meanwhile in Rwanda...

Southern Iberia have an important carthagian heritage. yes, so?

Are you comparing the relation between France and the native colonial population, but replacing France with Tunisia and the native colonized population with ancient "algerians"? Top kek, that's ridiculous, carthagian in the Algerian coast were as carthagian as the ones in Tunisia, you don't have the monopoly of Carthagian identity.

you weren't more "carthagian" than a carthagian living in the Algerian coast, not by measure.

> He says carthage is part of algeria's history. It's not. Numidia is.
Carthagian langage and culture survived until Augustine of Hippo in Algeria, while Roman in Tunisia completly eradicated all carthagian culture. For centuries, Carthagian culture only existed in Algeria.

Algeria have ten times more legimacy claiming carthagian heritage than Tunisia, just by that fact.

Orthodox Christianity=\=Islam

How many layers of stupidity are you on ? the OP picture literally proves you dummie wrong

>Ethiopian civilization is one of the oldest on the entire planet
Berbers were civilized like 2000 years before Ethiopia

>they didn't get cucked by Islam
hmm, yes they did
Maghrebian used islam cuck the other, most of the time.

>destroyed by the Romans
Neither were most of berbers tribes, they were independant nomads.
Ethiopia was ruled by middle eastern semite for like 2000 years, it always was just a random middle eastern colony

He thinks that being "brown" is a normal non mixed state, he doesnt realize that 3000 years of slavery and millions of slaves mutt'd the maghrebian population (20-40% black today, depend on the area)

One image created such a cluster fuck.

You mean Solomon?

No not even close

No such thing as 20-40%, if that was the case then it would very noticeable, it's like 20% and only in some individuals and as you said it depends on regions and your own family/tribe history.

I mean all the dynasties that ruled Ethiopia have middle eastern origins.. not only the solomonic direct line

Kingdom of Aksum was also a middle eastern kingdom and it ruled Ethopia, civilized it pretty much

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Wonder why rome didn't bother to eradicate the punic language in numidia, only in carthage... it's almost like... it's almost like they didn't consider the numidians or numidia to be part of carthage......
In fact, numidians are one of the largest factors as to why carthage, so them claiming heritage in particular seems fucking retarded to me. I guess the carthaginians occupied a single digit percentile of numidia, it's only fair to say that the numidians were thus carthaginians, despite every historian making a clear distinction between the two

Sorry the true inheritors of Carthage are us Sardinians

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Diaspora of /afr/, where are you originally from, or where are your ancestors from?

You make a better case than the algerians, for sure. The true successors of carthage.

Carthage and phoenician dna:
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>Dr. Spencer Wells explains that they do not see a significant genetic influence in Lebanon, like Syria, Jordan and other peoples of the Middle East. This means their origins is from the Levant. The Canaanites are the Phoenicians who are Lebanese, there was a cultural shift but not a genetic one!

-Less then 20% of Carthage has Phoenician DNA
-Surprisingly, more then 50% Malta's Y-Chromosome (male DNA) came from the Phoenicians. According to history, archeology and DNA, all points to the "Phoenicians" were the first to inhabit Malta.

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Jow Forums wont let me show the proof that the magrheb is made up of mongrels

You realize that in numidian cities (before rome even came) they spoke Carthagian too? You realize that even the Numidian kings spoke carthagian? That the legal system, the money etc. everything in numidia was based on Carthage?
The modern day separation is a bit confusing, as people are projection modern day ethnonationalist concepts on ancient history.

And saying that " a single digit percentile" of Algeria was part of the Carthagian empire isn't fair, all the most populated cities were on the coast and were carthagian, I would say at least 1/3 or half of the current population is from carthagianized part of the carthagian empire.

there is a lot of carthagian ruins in Algeria, like it or not. Proably even more than tunisia (outside of the city of carthage)

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Every place on earth has many Mtdna of different %

I don't think the Carthagian even had 1% of pheonician blood

All the carthagian tombs and skeletons that were analysed in modern day graveyards in Tunisia and Algeria show that there is absolutely no difference with the berber population of that time

You can also notice that the roman population, and the very old ancient population of north africa (pre carthage) are the same as the punic and beber population

in other words, romanization or carthagianisation didn't affect the genepool of the millions of berbers living there

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And here is the ultimate demonstration that the punic algerian population and the berber algerian populatio were the same in a genetic pov.

It's weird that scientist analysed many "algerian punic graves", I thought we never were carthagians

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>tfw my father is going back to Mali

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Dude west africans have some weird architecture.

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Mali had control over the Mediterranean economy

kek, no country had "control over the mediterranean economy" since the collapse of the roman empire

Mali had an average economy (compared to the rest of the world) but it had gold mines, wich was quit important part of the trans saharan trade (and slaves, obviously)

The king had enough wealth to crash the economy and then in order to fix it he borrowed all the money at a really high interest so yes Mali actually did have control of the economy during that particular mansas rule

ITT: arabs and muslims larping as carthagians, ancient egyptians etc

just pathetic

I knew you were going to say that, it's the only thing people know it seems. Yes, western africa had gold mines, the same gold mines that will push many north african states (almoravide, saadian, random sanhaja empire, tuaregs) to control that area for centuries to control the gold caravan commerce. (so

Native american and conquistador bring so much gold from America that it ruined Spanish economy very hard, it doesnt mean that indian american "controlled the mediteranean economy", that's just silly.

Mali had a decent economy, and traded with rich empires, but that's all, it was in a civilization pov slightly inferior to the islamic/european world of that time, as it was isolated.

t. seething no history cuckold
go back to your cave, barbarian
Arabs have a hundrends more times history than your country anyway

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proud nacionalistic third worlders with huge delusion are my favourite thing on Jow Forums

>some random irrelevant soviet shithole colony thinks he's in a position to look down on anyone

Arent you the country famous for prostitute and porn movies? Can you lend me your sister for a night?

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only 2% got j2 in tunisia
and if we suppose than Phoenicians can have the j1 and ignore the arab invasion so it will barely be 15% another argument proving that the carthagian population was berber not semitic

another ignorant tard 'telling you about your country and origins' that's what you call pathetic

Man, most people can not even distinguish your flag.

so like I said, the sahel region, pic related, was always quit a small economy region

Sahel = combined economy of Chad, Mauritania, Mali, and Niger
as everyone can see, it never represented even 10% of the total African economy in the last 2000 years

you cant really "dominate mediternean trade" when you're not even 1/10 of the african economy

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Yes, maghreb is irrelevant today, like most of the MENA region, but it still has ten times more history that this random slavic country.

What was the Czech Republic anyway? some random germanic dominion over some slavs.

>karthago
nice larp that's just due to Phoenicians merchants settling there if Carthaginian settled there you will actually get more north western African admixture not east med one
we are talking about history forget about modern days borders it's not even close comparing what's called now algeria to some irrelevant barbarian country

Perhaps this is the case, but even just as part of the Western world, the Czech Republic is today the best known day in any North African country.

Carthaginians didn't settle in Sardinia? You would make many fanatics happy but it's not true, one of the two the best preserved carthaginian settlement in the world, Monte Sirai, is in Sardinia (The other is Kerkouane in Tunisia), Cagliari the capital of Sardinia has the largest Punic necropolis next to that of Carthage, 30 hectares. In total there are at least a dozen punic necropoleis on the island. 6 out of the 11 tophets are from Sardinia, 3/4 of the punic materials in museum are from Sardinia, so yes culturally Sardinians were inheritors of Carthage, they were called Africans by many roman authors

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europeans know more about czech republic
if you ask a guy from mena or africa he will know more about north african countries
so we got more population in 1000 ad than 1820 interesting
well also tunisia algeria to some extent or to be precise tunisia and the eastern parts of algeria since numidia days then carthage roma vandals the capital of the region including east algeria west libya and tunisia was carthage so practically tunisian

yes tchekoslovakiakaiakia is more famous than egypt, hurr durr
No one in the world know about this country, and pretty sure the average american know egypt or morocco more than this 30 years old small slavic state

well romans destroyed almost every thing related to carthage when they invaded us
kerkouane isn't impressive at all

In fact, Egypt is famous only for its ancient past and Morocco is borderline. Now they are unfortunately only associated with terrorism or other unpleasant things, Europe is associated with a better place.

Maghreb's period history power ranking

1. Moorish golden age 900-1200 : almoravid, almohad, fatimid etc.
Control of whole north africa + Spain + Portugal + Sicily + middle east (kutama), vassalized the byzantinian. Biggest economy, biggest science, art, culture.
*power gap*
2. Carthagian (and numidian) periods (-800 - 50 ad). Punic wars and stuffs. Cool culture, books, architecture, trade.
3. -1100 to -900 maghreb: beat egyptian, conquer egypt, establish dynasties that will last for centuries, sheshonq conquer the levant and cuck kikes.
we wuz kangs and shit.

*power gap*

4. barbary slave trade maghreb (1550-1750), 800,000-1.2m slaves captured, half of european states are tributarian, republic of salé, like 50,000 boats captured minimum, many naval battles won, msotly against iberian countries.
5. 650-900 maghreb, wasnt too bad, many interesting people from that period, few interesting islamic state (rustamid, aghlabid, idrissid, berghwata), the first universities in the world, al andalus..
6. 1200-1500 maghreb trinity : marinid, ziyanid, hafsid: stability, few wars, but ultimately irrelevance. Great cultural and architectural legacy (al mashwar, hafsid mosquee, marinid madrasa etc.)

*power gap*

7. roman maghreb ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Berber_people#In_ancient_times enuff said

8. vandal kingdom and romano berber state (450-650), pretty underrated, the economy wasnt bad, berbers soldiers raped rome (pretty based), lot of culture from that time too, underserved bad repuation

9998. modern day maghreb (2018)
9999. colonial maghreb (1870-1950)

>interesting
well no it's just sad, the famines, diseases etc. reduced the maghrebian population a lot. And not much arable land

there was more maghrebian in the roman period than in 1800 ad.

Terrorism make stuffs relevants

ISIS, a 3 years old state, was more famous than czech repiblic, moldavia or any small eastern european state
relevance =/= positive stuffs

colonial maghreb period is unironically better
all that infrastructure that france built
and in my opinion roman tunisia come second or even first cause africa province held a good position and left most of the monuments at least in tunisia
meanwhile carthage period is hugely overrated

>relevance =/= positive stuffs
But the only relevance it has for the rest of the world is terrorism

oh and garamantes and all the other saharan civilsation (tuareg, ancient sanhaja) are probably between 5 and 6.

Roman monument vs modern days buildings

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Comfy

that algerian workers under french rule built*** with algerian taxes*** and were enjoyed by the colonists ***
ftfy, there never has been any pied noir building stuff. And there is way more infrastructure today than 60 years ago (obviously)

I agree, Roman Carthage (the city) was the second biggest city with 500,000 people, with Alexandrie, but it wasnt really a maghrebian civilization, I mean it's the roman empire.

Carthage is indeed overrated, numidia and mauretania had better architecture, superior armies, better rulers, lasted centuries after carthage
carthage is relevant for Hannibal really

what about ottmans it's the same period as the barbary slave trade
they left huge impact on tunisian/algerian culture and the genepool too (balkan slaves)

tfw having carthage on the eastern part and the second most important numidian city on the western part

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also you can't judge by 'carthagian architecture' cause nothing of importance left of it we can see

Yes it's the same period, but not really, barbary slave trade started in 1250 in Algeria (not 1550) and barbary period is more right because not all the maghreb was related to the ottoman, morocco wasn't and so was most of Algeria. (some berber kingdom, independant tribes etc.).

and most of algerian cities were already doing barbary slave trade in 1250-1450 before the ottoman even were a thing.

Most of European states were tributarian and had to pay each year to Algiers

Suède : 25 000 livres (tous les 10 ans) ;
Venise : 50 000 barres d’or ;
Espagne : 120 000 francs ;
Danemark : 120 000 francs (tous les 2 ans) ;
Royaume-Uni : 267 500 francs ;
France : 200 000 francs ;
États-Unis : 125 000 dollars par mois.

The US paying 30% (!!!) of its annual budget to Algiers, that's like 700 billions, more than the whole maghrebian GDP.

all the battles and wars won against france, spain, italy, danemark were fucking impressive

kino period