Does Africa really begin at the Pyrenees?

You can clearly see it starts at the Ebro river

Africa doesn't exist.

Unironically this

>what a bullshit map, that's not at all how it all happened
actually, it's a very accurate map

what's your problem with it?

here's a more accurate map actually

western france + many parts of italian peninsula

also switzerland, they got moor'd

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Do you think youre the same race as me?

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Because I know I am a different race to all of you semites.

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>German Karolinger empire under Karl Martel
???

Also, it was in Poitiers.

Yes and it ends at Belgium LMAO

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Based Ibero-American Chad.

Seething nafri subhumans

how many people know that Arabs spent years/decades occupying/raiding Switzerland and half of France?

There is a lot of books speaking of that periods, but for some reasons people

>France: Coasts raided by Muslim corsairs, who occupied coast of Provence after 890
>Italy: Under steady attack by Muslims from Sicily and Tunisia; Brindisi (Brundisium) occupied 836, 840-870; Naples (Neapolis) relieved, 837; Calabria raided, 838; Capua razed, 840; Taranto (Tarentum) occupied, 840-880; Bari (Barium) occupied, 841-871; Benevento (Beneventum) subjected, 842-847, 849-852; Rome (Roma) attacked, 846; Campagna ravaged, 876-877; Monte Cassino burned, 883; northern Italy raided by Umayyads of Spain, who penetrated Alps as far as Switzerland

And how many french raided algerian girls assholes?

>>This Moorish bastion in Provence illustrates very well how the Arab threat penetrated deeply into Christian territory. On every side, Provence was continually being ransomed, as it had already been during the few years in the eighth century when the first Arabs who arrived in Europe had controlled the Rhone River between Arles and Avignon and had built on its banks fortresses from which they sallied forth, harrowing the lands situated to the east of the river. Now, from Camargue and des Maures, they spread out in all directions. They reached the basin of Aix-en-Provence (whereupon the bishop fled)" and, as of 869, the region of Arles, whose archbishop they captured; they brought him to Camargue, negotiated his ransom, collected it, and returned a corpse ... belonging to the prelate, who had died meanwhile." Toward the north, the east, and the northeast, they reached Gap and Grenoble (which they would seize for almost twenty years in the middle of the tenth century), advanced as far as the mountain passes in the Alps, which they controlled, making everyone who traveled through them pay a tax, in particular at the Grand-Saint-Bernard. From there, to the north, they arrived in Le Valais, up to the Abbey of Saint Gall, which has prompted some historians to say that they were "the masters of Switzerland" for a decade or so. Toward the east, they reached the Valley of Suse, then the Piedmont as far as Asti, and Liguria. In this way they captured, in 972, the great Abbot of Cluny, Saint Mayeul, who was returning from a trip to Rome, and they did not release him until they had received an enormous ransom hastily collected by the monks of Cluny.27 Anyone who knows the significance that this religious order then had for Christendom can easily guess the repercussions that such an exploit would have had throughout the West.

Arab held most of italy, france, switzerland and other for far longer than Nazis did for example

Answer the question, do you think you are the same race as me?

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actually quit the opposite, all the white french prostitutes were under Algerian control

Also the algerian war was financed by Algerian pimps living in France, pic related.
having their women under the hypermasculine arab control deeply destabilized the white french men

you can read more in the "Sex, France, and Arab Men" book
> The Algerian revolution for independence (1954-1962) coincided with the sexual revolution in France, and Todd Shepard sees the two movements as inextricably linked. In the revolution's aftermath, those on the political right in France rehearsed claims about sexual acts, sexualized humiliation, and lust to explain how France had lost Algeria, homing in on "deviant" masculinity and aberrant hypermasculinity of "Arabs," whose decadent effeminacy had made the French unable to defeat them

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Yeah, that's part of the reason we ended up invading you lol

I tought it's because it was the barbary slade trade (1500-1800)
I don't think the 19th french politician even kew about the 7-10th events, it's recent history

Also "invading you" isn't really correct, the population of Algiers in the 18th was mostly made up of white people. Algerian were a tiny minority.

>delusional frog who doesn't want to admit that germans transformed his ruined shithole of a former roman province into the first major Western European power of the medieval era
>also doesn't realize the irony of posting a meme picture representing an Italian man who, like the franks, had to clean up France after gaulniggers trashed the country during the revolution

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look straight a semitic from syria you have to go back

Roman France was better than under the "barbarian" germanic kings, in term of infrastructure, trade, demography etc.
at least until the carolingian renaissance

I respect Karl der Grosse tho, he was quit civilized, allied with the Abbasid, and his capitulare de villis was really awesome
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitulare_de_villis

>that 30 year-old boomer who still doesn't know the difference between Germans and Germanics

Roman France was better and richer than the Germanic shithole in 14 ad

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So you think you are the same race as me? Or a syrian?
Post your picture.

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Tunisian subhuman

>basically every country in europe and north africa was more poor in 1000 ad than in 14 ad

After 500 years of Germanic rule, you became poorer than you were 1000 years ago...

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actually no i don't look syrian unlike you

Lmao nafri youre a cool dude.

>basically every country in europe and north africa was more poor in 1000 ad than in 14 ad
Shocking

Turns out Jesus worship and worshipkng the church doesn't make civilization while burnibg thought and logic.

No one is disputing this.

>that 12 year-old zoomer who doesn't realize that 1,500 years ago, no such distinction existed

Turns out actually thinking abour the world and bettering ones lot betters life than worshioing a Jew.

Germanics (vandals, lombards, goths..) reduces Rome's population from 1 million to 20,000, they divided it by 50

The barbarian destruction of the Roman empire is a tragedy

Christians destroyed Rome and all Europe.

Germanics did not do much to any population, but the church and clergy did genocide all the pagans.

Hey you motherfuckers sacked Rome with us, remember?

nowhere in your image does it say that white girls were prostituted, only shitskins

I will never understand how maghrebis can claim they are treated racist by frenchmen when all historical subjugation, killing, and horrible treatments were done by you upon them. Racism is prejudice plus power and you have had all the power so they cant be racist.

Yes maghrebian are the only ones who at least cucked whites (700-1800) before the 19th

whites destroyed and acted toward dicks against all the world, and I don't think sub saharian, asian, native american asked for it

at least we brought a bit of justice to euroscum, who have been the scourge of the earth since the 18th

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>historical subjugation, killing, and horrible treatments were done by you upon them.
You don't even know what the french did in north africa.
Barbary piracy wasn't about race, it wasn't because "they are white so let's them and steal from them"
On the other hand the french and the whole of colonization belittled and humiliated the other races on the simple basis of race, and in trying to justify what they have done they used the excuse that they are bringing """""civilization""""" to the other races.
But what can one expect from the subjective people that make the majority here...

You took millions of them as slaves. Did they do anything worse to you?

"you" isn't defined here, most of the elite pirats were converted european
and the rulers of north african barbary state were virtually all converted whites for 300 years
the army (janissairies) was white, as well as the whole caliphes

the barbary slade trade started because white iberian muslims were kicked unfairly out of iberia

it wasn't really about race, it was maritime jihad, water jihad

>tfw my family comes from the small area of Montenegro that wasn't conquered by the ottomans
feelsgoodman

>Large portions of Montenegro fell under the control of the Ottoman Empire from 1496 to 1878.

what city are you from?

> "you" isn't defined here, most of the elite pirats were converted european and the rulers of north african barbary state were virtually all converted whites for 300 years
And their descendants are normal Algerians today, so yes, you.

> the barbary slade trade started because white iberian muslims were kicked unfairly out of iberia
So France must suffer for what Portugal and Spain do?

>it wasn't really about race, it was maritime jihad, water jihad
God wants you to mistreat millions and take them as slaves?

Seems to me that you're the ones who have done most wrong upon them and not vice versa.

>And their descendants are normal Algerians today
Not really, they were kicked out in 1830 to the ottoman empire

>So France must suffer for what Portugal and Spain do?
France took a lot of money and profit from the barbary slave trade, it wasn't really a problem for them (expect for 1680's period maybe)

France was Allied with Algeria and the Ottoman empire in geneal for centuries
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_alliance

They did many battle with Algiers army against Spain for centuries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Nice

Actually Algiers and France had very good relations, 90% of the times before 1830.
They saved Algiers from the Hasbourg in 1541

Do you know why France even attacked Algeria in 1830? Because two jews didnt pay their debt, it's the official, unironic, reality.

>God wants you to mistreat millions and take them as slaves?
They were sold back after few years, and they had better life as slaves here as peasant in Europe (algiers was rich), they were kidnapped and resold quickly, used as slaves in domestic taks mostly, nothing harsh.

Also can an European lecture us on slavery? Is this a joke?

Oh there it is, the subjective view, sure millions...
Let's see they killed 300 000 algerians(if it's not a million), thousands of tunisian rebels and thousands of peaceful tunisian people that protested for eqaulity between french and tunisian workers (and independance), tens of thousands of moroccans (helping spain) and using gas on them.
They displaced 2 000 000 algerians
They destroyed archives, they tried to erase much of algerian berber culture while droppping their literacy rate from 40% to 15-16%
They used much of our resources for their benefit
They raped because of race as i said
I think they also encouraged arabization of the area

And more these are the ones that i just remember now, just the surface. You can learn from someone else that knows better or read yourself it's not really hard.

to be fair they also got 1 million pied noir deported
they had 100,000 killed/injured in the war, huge economic damage, lost everything they built.

and in the conquest of algeria (1830-1856), they lost 250,000-500,000 soldiers and civilians to the diseases and battles
guess it's pretty much even

>white iberian muslims

No such thing

>unfairly
You guys invaded them.

We are talking about what they did to us during colonization.
Yeah barbary pirates died too during piracy, you know right ? pirates lives matter too

You guys enslaved more people than europeans ever did.

The people who were enslaved dont agree that it was better. How deluded do you have to be in order to think people had it better while being a slave .

no, first of all the ummayad empire was in Syria and was arabic and the conquered berbers were only following orders, and secondly it wasnt a conquest, the muslims were invited by the wizigoth king himself to take part to the civil war there

I'm talking about the colonial conquest, 1830-1856
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_conquest_of_Algeria
it was awfull for the french side too

What do you mean why 'you guys' again? You cant put Algeria in the same bag as Persia for example.

cetinje, according to what I've read the ottomans were never able to fully subjugate and control the region so it developed into a very tribal warrior society.

>people who were enslaved dont agree that it was better
they did actually, many of them at least. There is many records that still exists today to prove that.

between being a domestic or gardener in some rich guys house in one of the richest city in the mediteranean and being a peasant who works 14 hours a day in europe for nothing, the choice was easy

they wanted to go home to their family, really, nothing else, quality of life was better here

many slaves became master and slavers themselves actually.

And as you can see in pic related, most of them were released after their home state paid the ranson, after 2,3 or 5-7 years, depend on how the european states were greedy. It was just kidnapping more than cotton field slavery.

Btw they werent pirats but corsair doing a noble activity that was very reglemented, and that activity was not only legal in the islamic and ottoman law, but it was legal

if a captured slave in algiers escaped and went to Europe, the Algerian pirat can go to Italy and Spain and SUE the pirat and win so he can get reperation

Also European christian state also had their barbary pirats who enslaved maghrebians

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Yeah again, barbary pirates died too, same when the french died while colonizing.

X enslaved (hundread of) thousands of Y because of religion
Y colonized X because Y couldn't pay X's two jewish merchants , destryoed X's culture, stole X resources, killed and displaced X's people and more

>invited
Complete horseshit

>you guys
North african slave trade. You took black and europeans as slaves with the help of Ottomans. Also Arabs had a huge slave trade. Muslims cant complain about slavery since you have done much more than europeans.

>Also Arabs had a huge slave trade. Muslims cant complain about slavery since you have done much more than europeans.
Do not get us responsible for another race or people's slavery especially not on the basis of shared religion

Not by any account i have read. If it was so nice why did people stop living in coastal villages? Why not bring their whole family to slavery if quality of life as a slave was so good?

>enslaving
>noble activity
Come on.

You guys are the same anyway.

but it was legal in the european laws**

Dont think they stole any resource, the only valuable relevant resource was oil and it was discovered in the last years (1958) so never exploited.
The culture wasnt really destroyed, I mean the region didnt get its culture replaced by the french one, they even tried to preserve it.
Napoleon III for example was an araboo.

>Complete horseshit
yes they were

anyway, the ummayad empire that conquered iberia also conquered the maghreb and mass enslaved berbers
blaming berbers for the iberian conquest is like blaming jews for the nazis conquest

>You took black
We didn't took, they were legally bought from subsaharan kingdom, it was a fair trade and we had very good relationship with the subsahran state. Slaves according to the islamic laws were also treated normally

slavery was a normal thing in any pre-industrial state, it became obsolete not for moral reason, but for economic reason with the industrialisation slavery wasn't needed anymore, that's the reason it was abolished.
muhammad established many rules to protect slaves from abusive masters

reality =/= django unchained

>europeans as slaves with the help of Ottomans
all the rulers of Algeria from that time were white european
all the decision algeria and algerian took from 1500 to 1800 were made by white rulers

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_governors_of_Algiers

find on algerian rule in the 1500-1800 period, I dare

Sure...the hipocrisy of the euros strikes again

the majority of Algier's population was made of slaves, and they had a good statue

they could buy stuff, became rich, they could easily pay their ransom to their masters after few years to be free and live as a normal citizen

it was EXTREMLY different from the slavery in Europe and America

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Yeah that is why they build railways here and most likely in algeria too, just for amusement and totally not for transporting resources.. there was even a quote of some french general saying that france wouldn't be here if it wasn't for its colonies (or something like that)
>Napoleon III for example was an araboo.
Yeah that was part of many colonizers plan to and look friendly to the people to delude them, mussolini even got a sword called the sword of islam by the libyans.

Give me proof that they were invited.

Europeans also bought the blacks from subsaharan people. So now atlantic slave trade is ok?

Sweden ended slavery 1000 years ago so it was not the normal thing in a preindustrial society, only outside of europe. Slavery was abolished in arab countries because of demand from europe and not because of what you say.

Is cutting the dicks of black slaves not abuse in where you come from? The biggest slave revolt in history happened in Iraq so i dont think they were so nicely treated.

I see a lot of turks on that list and they are not europeans.

What kind of resource exactly? raw material? food? The majority of historians agrees that France lost way more money that it got from it colonies.

NIII geniuly helped and did real stuffs for Algerian whitout asking anything in return, he was very hated by the colonists

But colonization didnt help the native Algeria I agree with you, they didn't have much land, no education, no hospital, no thing. Only the pied noir minority and a small % of Algerian (living in big cities or big agricultural owner) profited of it.

I am not defending american slavery at all so i dont see why are comparing them.

What is the difference then?

>the barbary slade trade started because white iberian muslims were kicked unfairly out of iberia
Invaders kicked out is no unfair you fugwitt

The fuck is this map?

pic related. It was a civil war / succession war, and one wizigoth side invited the muslims into iberia.
some spanish historian even go about iberia wasn't even conquered at all, but it's still a minority opinion

>Sweden ended slavery 1000 years ago
Oh you think I don't know what you did to Finns? nice try.

>ago so it was not the normal thing in a preindustrial society, only outside of europe
Serfdom, was as bad, if not worse than slavery, depend on the period and the concerned state.

middle eastern issues arent our, we're different people, berbers slaves were in Iraq too at that time, as slaves.

>I see a lot of turks on that list and they are not europeans.
I think for the deys it's 80% european, 20% anatolian

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>actually thinking that the muslims converts in iberia had even 0.0001% arab-berber blood in 1500 ad

actually even by the 10th, every muslims there was basically converted. 7,000 berbers didn't change the demography of 10 millions of

that's the reason why many maghrebian today have iberian blood, while berber arab blood is non existant in Iberia.

we send 7,000 people in 711, we got 1,500,000 in 1500 ad back

+ pretty much every leader of iberia and north africa from 700 to 1500 ad was some kind of blue eyed blond haired European

raw materials from mines especially phosphate(tunisia had the second biggest reserve in the world after usa), also salt (they forced on us a trade treaty to sell them the salt for few francs, a trade treaty that is active to this day, go figure why....)

Well first we have a dominant north african Y haplogroup, they have a dominant near eastern Y haplogroup.
But maybe you should educate yourself instead of questioning me.

I don't think there is an historian that don't claim that colonization cost more than it brought.

but I'm not a specialist of the question. Maghrebian colonies simply didn't export enough things to justify the investment cost

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>Does Africa really begin at the Pyrenees?
well..

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So one king in a little kingdom wanted help that mean that you were invited to take over all of spain? What about king roderick fighting you guys? Why did you not leave afterwards instead of conquering? Shitty guests.

Also if you read properly it says "probably".

We enslaved finns?

Serfdom is still not slavery but i agree that there is not much difference depending on where you are.

Turks are not europeans.

You dont think more people came afterwrds? You honestly think you took over everything with just 7000 people?

Yes i know that but what is the cultural difference?

>that's the reason why many maghrebian today have iberian blood, while berber arab blood is non existant in Iberia.
No actually, some iberians have a considerable amount % of berber like some berbers who have a % of iberian. Why ? no one knows for certain. Also European haplogroups are a very small amount of the haplogroups in north africa therefore you are exaggerating, too much man.
>+ pretty much every leader of iberia and north africa from 700 to 1500 ad was some kind of blue eyed blond haired European
Probably not

>So one king in a little kingdom wanted help that mean that you were invited to take over all of spain
Taking over a whole place after one side of a succession war ask you to come is quit common.

>Why did you not leave afterwards instead of conquering
Jews were opressed, many religious minorities as well.
Lot of people saw the muslims overtake
history is written by the ones who won

>Why did you not leave afterwards instead of conquering
see every ruled in islamic iberia and even north africa was European by blood

>Shitty guests

Al Andalus was the most civilized place on Earth and for centuries the most enlighten country, it contribute to science and culture and art like no one ever did before. It was the apex of the middle age.
The world whitout al andalus would be a tragey.
It's literally the best think that happend to europe in the medieval period, and everyone should be grateful.

>We enslaved finns
You treated them extremly bad, you exploited them, they revolted, you did everything to destroy their culture.
I don't even speak about Vikings, that even harressed muslims in north africa and iberia
you conquered Russia and did a lot of stuffs.

>Turks are not europeans.
Like I said, every King of Algiers was pretty much european fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_souverains_et_gouverneurs_de_la_régence_d'Alger#Deys_(1671-1830)
don't force me to list them one by one

Anyway, no Algerian ruled here in the last 500 years, you cant blame us for ottoman decisions.

Yeah the very low number, but the consensus is that iberia was conquered with 5,000 + 7,000 reinforcment troops, so 12,000, that's why many historian belive that the whole muslims conquest didn't even happend.

There has been few north african soldiers send at the request of the local converted white rulers in the 9-10th, from the idrissid troops for example, but it's pretty irrelevant.

Iberia doesn't even 1% berber blood from the islamic "invasions", meanwhile the American continent is 70% european. That's what an invasion, conquest, genocide and replacement looks like

>some iberians have a considerable amount % of berber
?
it's 1-3% in most of iberia, and it's from neolithic and ancient pre islamic mixes

haplogroup =/= total % dna btw, haplogroup are just the oldest paternal lines. Chadians are like 100% european haplogroup but have only like 1% of european blood
it's because only few mens that came from eurasia mixed and created million fo chadians.

>Probably not
Dude, I literally listed every emirate of cordoba, almoravid, taifa, almohad, grenada islamic ruler, and 95% of them weren't north african

I can literally prove it, ruler by ruler

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Umayyad_governors_of_al-Andalus#Independent_rulers_of_al-Andalus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Morocco#Almoravid_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Morocco#Almohad_dynasty

All the dynasties are founded by one maghrebi, then this maghrebi take some blond wife, his son is 50% euro, his little son 75% etc.
bis repetea

It begins as the Sistema Iberico and the Sistema Central

Because you invaded.

The contributions of that plave are greatly exageratted like most things when there is talks about muslims because now everyone has a hard on for you. A world without it would have let the spaniards develop their own way, which is probably nicer than being invaded and enslaved. You also destroyed a lot of art and buildings when you invaded. There is actually not much found by archeologists done by you guys. It is also nonsense that it was peaceful.

The most important thing was the transfer of some greek science to western europe.

that's Jow Forums tier revisionnism here, pretty cringy desu

you should read "The Legacy of Muslim Spain", it's a wonderfull book

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you will realize your mistake

>it's 1-3% in most of iberia
It's more from what i saw dude from the tests and the studies but it's definetly not the case for everyone
In north africa, the % people score is much higher than the Y and mtdna haplogroups present

No one has any nafri ancestry is Iberian simple as.

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>grug white

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Give me a side photo of your nose

Anyone*