In my 25 people group of friends (ages 27-29) only 2 people own a car and 1 has a lease car from his job

My apartment was a gift when I got into uni...

>25 friends
lend me one stp

How much is it worth?

I'm doing a vocational secondary education.. I really want to complete the gymnasium though, because I know I can.

No clue but it was rented out before I got it and the old tenant paid 850/mo

It's small but a good location

Yes. Would be infeasible here unless you lived in a CBD.

I live right in the centre of a city profiling itself as the most bike friendly place on earth yet having a car is beneficial.
Yesterday for example I decided I needed some furniture (just moved here) so I drove to Ikea and bought some tables and was home within an hour.
Things like that are a huge operation without a car of your own.

I’m lucky though since I have a parking garage underneath my building

Yeah trips to Ikea is like the #1 reason I'd need one, though here Ikea rents vans which helps.

>my 25 people group of friends
fuck off

Hard to believe you have so cheap apartments in Finland

>tfw 27 yo dadless neet who still does not know how to drive

Attached: 1511718229706s.jpg (250x250, 8K)

Why did you chose to do this instead finishing your gymnasium?

More things open up to you.
I needed a tv so I went on our craigslist and the same evening I drove to someone’s place and brought a 46” tv home. Try doing that with the bus or bike.

I need a lot of home appliances? Drive to the shopping mall on the edge of town and buy everything I need at once rather than 1 thing at a time.

Nice weather? Drive to a beach nearby instead of biking in 35c sun.

I don't need any of those things and when I do I'll just have them delivered. Some 5 euro delivery cost is fucking nothing compared to the price of maintaining a car and a parking spot and fuel and yearly inspection and maintenance and tires and... you get the point.

Anxiety, depression and Asperger's. Found out when I was 21. Now my life is basically ruined because I have no work experience or solid education to write on my CV. But I'll just try and finish this anyway.. (3½ years remaining...)

hold on user

>Born in scandinavia
>Life ruined at 21 because no work experience

C'mon mate you can do better than that....

Attached: 6717111.png (800x800, 363K)

Our of my coworkers only 4 have cars. Most of the office use public transportation or bicycles.
Just too expensive to drive here.
Parking costs alone is around 250-300 dollars per month inside the city.
Gas is around 7 dollars per gallon.

Once again without a car you learn to live around it but if you buy one you will see they come in handy more often than you realize now

elmao i got a pat on my back and got told to find work if i wana live in another town

In somewhere like New York Or Chicago no, anywhere else you're more likely to own multiple cars than none at all

>parking
A parking license here is like €70 per year and in my case free as my building has it’s own garage.
Nobody should take their car right into the centre of town, that’s just stupid

see I have experienced the car life.
I've lived here for many years and I've had one washing machine and zero televisions delivered. The washing machine guy was like 25 euros but he also installed the thing and dragged it up the stairs.

I don't know a single person between the age of 18-50 that doesn't have a license.
Also all of my friends own a car except one, who lives in Vienna.

Most of my friends have cars, although everyone loves cars, including i, so i might be biased.

>dollars
>gallon
are you american

Stop using burger units in an euro thread

In my 16 people group of close friends, 16 had cars since they were 18 years old. They got the licence and car payed for by parents when turned 18 as per usual in most places in this country (at least the licence).
In my 100 people group of less close friends I can't really be sure how many don't have cars, but I think almost all of them have. It's kinda unusual that someone doesn't have a car honestly.

countryside?

Why? There are a lot cheaper ones here in Norway.

I got my license at 27 and I didn't have a problem
I wouldn't still have a license if I didn't have a car

No city. But not Oslo. In Oslo you will see that those with less money will choose not to have a car and maybe not even licence (tho I believe most will get the licence when turned 18 even there)

A parking license here, 25 minutes from my office building is €120/month. If you can get one, usually there is a wating queue about 3-4 years long before you get a spot. I can't even park in the center of town where the office is, there is no parking allowed there.
It was aimed at the burgers, stop complaining. It's a simple conversion of units, you guys shouldn't have a problem.

>(3½ years remaining...)
Of the current education you're doing? Don't you have komvux from home in denmark?
I'm finishing up my gymnasium courses this way. Took me 1 year to be halfway done from being a dropout before the first year was done.

It's pretty much the same here for anyone living outside a major city.

in Helsinki it's the other way around. those who make more money can afford to live closer to center and they're less likely to own a car.

vocational school students, drop outs etc. "peasants" live on the outer edges of city and need a car.

That’s fucking horrifying. I wouldn’t get a car either under those circumstances.
But right now it’s cheap to park, cheap on fuel and costs like €500 per year in ownership which is about 1/4th month of work

Wouldn't be that weird, since I live in London. I actually do have a car though, but I'm the only one I know who does (parents don't either)

it should be noted that Helsinki is on a peninsula so having a car in downtown Helsinki is literally retarded

also what I said mostly applies to people under 30, not people with 2 kids and a golden retriever who live in suburbs

In California, used cars are so cheap (due to vastly large supplies) that the only reason you won't have a car is because you don't want one, even if you work for minimum wage.

they should learn to use superior units

We have this meme here too but in reality most people have a small car. If you earn shitloads of money you can also buy a Peugeot 107

pay us the money to change millions of signs or stop bitching about the requirement to do simple math when talking with americans

Thanks dude.

I'm really trying.

Yes of my current education, so I'll be done at 29. We have something called VUC (translate: Adults Edcation Center), and they have distance learning, so yes.

I'm glad it's working out for you mate, hang on. I wouldn't wanna do distance learning though, because I wanna attend in physical form.

state should pay for it, it would give good business for local companies

Yeah I can imagine. In Norway we only have one major city. I live in the second largest city in Norway of 270k people, and here most have cars.

Those with money in Oslo live central and have a car too in urban garages or on the streets outside their building, or they live in western parts of Oslo in Villas with cars.

Then you have the type of people, living in small appartments with higher rent than they really should take afford to in the centre of Oslo, they will likely not have a car. They are urban hipsters and such who live their entire lives in cafes and streets of Oslo. These are the people who will say "I don't need a car I can walk"

that's a retarded excuse signs get replaced over time any way
it's not only a meme here. my apartment building has had open garage spaces and parking spots available for 2 years now. no one is taking them. and parking on the street is literally impossible (like 10 spaces for 8 staircases of 7 story buildings) so only explanation is that no one has a car they need parked.

it should be noted I literally live within the km2 with the highest population density in all of Finland so it's not representative of the country as a whole

me

Like Norway said people with money that live in the centres of our cities still have cars. It’s only hipsters that live above their means that cannot afford them.
With all due respect but pretty much every Dutch city has better bike infrastructure than any place on earth yet our cities are still crawling with little jap and French shitboxes.
With our incomes it’s just too easy to own one. If you can afford a €400k apartment you can also have a 1L Japanese car

Attached: 8B66F0B0-2DE6-4E23-9BCA-8F750463D95D.jpg (4032x3024, 2.5M)

if by money you mean like old money with millions in the bank then sure. I meant regular people with college degrees and good jobs. choosing to prioritize a good location to live in over other expenses is not "living above your means".

I’m talking anybody with a median or above median income. Or do you think the Yarises on those pictures belong to some prince?

the west should be raided and plundered again

oh and bikes are a meme. only fitness enthusiasts use them for transport. no one's doubting you have many bike lanes, but bikes aren't a real form of public transportation. it's like saying "just walk lol".

for me the subway station is 30 meters from my front door. subway comes every 2,5min per direction. closest bus stop is 3 meters from my front door. busses come more than 1 per minute. streetcar is 40ish meters, every 2 minutes.

that's what public transport means, not just painting a lane red and telling people to use a bike.

well if you're talking about median income then majority of those people most definitely do not own a car if they live in Helsinki. my friends (and I) all make above median

>19
>own a car
>own my house
>in uni
>have a job
feel like an american sometimes desu

Thanks. You hang on too, buddy. We'll all make it in the end.

>that's what public transport means, not just painting a lane red and telling people to use a bike.
Truly 2nd world tier. The reason our bike infrastructure works is because it’s seperated from the car roads as much as possible.

Of course we will.

Attached: 23471234454.jpg (379x429, 26K)

I would never buy a car at that age. Car insurance is too inflated.

it's still just a bicycle. it's not a real form of transport. sure, it's fun exercise, but who the fuck rides a bike to work? talk about third world.

I bought it from my Dad for cheap

Do you have insurance?

>signs get replaced over time
exactly

why suddenly stop those newer signs in production just to take down all signs ASAP and make new ones in metric units?

converting to metric would be a logistics nightmate for years

too bad europeans dont understand the word "scale"

I think so, i don't know to be honest

I’m just saying that the whole ‘here in Europe nobody in cities owns a car by choice because we are so great’ meme is really getting stale and just untrue.
People in cities as soon as their income allows it will try to get a car. And rich people have a Jaguar parked elsewhere in the city.

we all own cars at my discord server

not true. median income in helsinki keeps rising (disproportionately to the rest of the nation) and the number of vehicles per population keeps going down

I have a bachelor degree, been working for 3 years now, I have a house 400k (half is mortgage), car 50k and it's not a problem.

This.
You can live in Oslo and there are bikes everywhere you can rent or you can own one, and you can go anywhere on a bike, but people will still choose to own a car as soon as their income allows it. But then again, if you are on the lower income level and live expensive in the city centre then you will likely not get to that car anytime soon.

Maybe helsinki is getting more and more expensive?

>In my 25 people group of friends (ages 27-29)
okay, are you keeping frendship with such many people on your around 30s? really?

You couldn't survive where I live without a car. Being college grads wthut a vehicle is unheard of, completely unthinkable.

cars are cancer and car drivers are tumors evolved to have limbs but no brains

Top Gear told me Finns love their cars, were they not being honest?

almost everybody has a car here by 16

Yeah, I would say it would be weird for people not to have a car outside London and maybe 1 or 2 other major cities in the UK. Public transport outside the cities is simply abysmal, it takes at least twice as long and is actually more expensive to take the bus/train than to just drive a car. Though the government is doing their best to price cars off the road with ever increasing road and fuel tax.

Everyone I know owns a car, quite a few men actually own two cars, a work/family car and a mid-life-crisis car.

>In my 16 people group of close friends,
>In my 100 people group of less close friends I
fuck off giga normalfag

None of my friends have cars. Then again I have no friends.

Attached: 1444450244226.jpg (800x800, 55K)

in Tokyo its normal but in rural area not having car is absolutely abnormal.

My friends are 19-21 and most of us have a car

if you live in the suburbs - you have a car
if you live in the city - you don't

>Finland
>25 friends

Attached: download (3).png (188x144, 5K)

>6 friends
>only one have a drivers license
>he doesn't own a car

Deffo
My family think I'm a weirdo because I have a full manual licence but walk 6 kilometres to work

Depends.
Yeah out of 25 people it's a bit weird, Me and my friends are in the same age group and mostly half of it own a car, even if only one or two use it daily.