Guys i am going to be honest

i am starting to feel like i may not make it and i do not know what to do. will there be a bull run this year or is it really over? i keep hoping that maybe just maybe there will be gains similar to last year but now i am starting to fear there will not. it has been an absolutely brutal 2018 and i don't see many signs of hopes of a bull run. i am starting to wonder if i should just cash out and forget about crypto for good. please tell me in all seriousness, should i keep holding for 2018 or is it over?

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lol i feel sorry for you so im gonna help you. 2018 bull run started few weeks ago. it will end mid jan 2019.

buy holochain, edenchan, quark, nex

WAAAH WAAH MY COINS DIDNT GO UP AFTER A MONTH

shut the fuck up faggot. how about you be patient for once in your retarded ADHD addled life? hold a coin for more than a few months and youll see gains you insufferable idiot.

thank you for the perspective. do you think the major coins like BTC and ETH will also do well?

it has been almost 5 months and still at a big loss. i understand though you are still right, even 5 months is still not long in the grand scheme of things. but i am wondering if waiting and being patient will even work out or if it is truly over for good this time.

>5 months
so you bought during the bullrun? what kind of dummy are you? the last 5 months have been bearish as hell. THATS when youre supposed to accumulate dawg.

i bought what i could from december until now. i am just wondering if we will ever see december prices again.

become a martyr against the jews if you fail to make it. Then you will have truly made it senpai.

>5 months

Thanks for buying my bags bitch bahahaha buy high sell low just like a good bizraeli

if youre willing to wait, we will pass the december bullrun and go far higher

There's gonna be tons of resistance from people who bought high since December, and are just waiting for their "break even" point, to sell and manage to get out from the hell they've experienced from this bear market.

Once all of these sellers have been shaken out, only then can the bull run actually commence, and it's going the be fueled by all those same people fomoing back in again, regretting selling.

9k to 20k is a long ways to go though. And you can expect "break-even" sellers all the way to that point, as well as traders just taking profit.

The real bull run doesn't start until the old ATH is broken (same as when the old $1.2k ATH was broken last year).

>if you will manage to keep at least 0.1 BTC till 2021-2023 you made it
nonsense

Most of the current Top 10 will survive, yes. Some won't. ETH, for example, is probably pretty safe long-term.

>It's just common sense
would love to hear your rationale anyway.

yeah, I think he was the first guy to call the bear market before the first big dip, pretty much agrees with the last retest of ~3000

he's got good TA and makes solid predictions but he doubts himself too much, good channel though

There's literally no way in hell bitcoin is going to go 20x (200k bitcoin EOY lol) this year like it did last year. You need to get into some alt coins to see any real gains in 2018 I'm afraid :(.

i worded it badly. what i am more worried about is the general trend and not so much the magnitude of it. i mean sure 20x would be amazing but i would be ecstatic with 5x. is something like 5x still possible with blue chip coins or is that unrealistic at this point?

I can definitely see some alt coins that will 5x this year. Some already have I think (like ONT?)

which coins?

FunFair, easily.

I could post charts all day but Jow Forums loves the "TA is a meme" meme. The reality is TA actually is very useful, especially on large timescales; in other words, trying to predict 15 minute charts may indeed be a fool's errand, but, on the macro level, market cycles really can be forecast with some degree of certainty. In that vein, we have farther to fall. And if we do want to give credence to short term line drawing shenanigans, the double top at $10,000, the bearish divergence that was active at such time, the inability of BTC to rally even after the SEC FUD dried up, etc. all point to a painful drop. Once $9000 breaks down it should be clear to pretty much everyone.

Further, at this stage there really isn't any reason for, say, BTC to increase in price. Many of our past bubbles were driven by some event - some of it "legitimate," like halvenings, and some of it not so much, like Mt. Gox bot washtrading. At this point there really isn't any such event, and the only reason we're going up is because bears grew tired of pushing us down (just like bulls have trouble breaking resistance, bears have trouble breaking support, and ~$6500 is pretty strong support).

Finally, normies aren't FOMOing, and smart money is waiting for more regulatory certainty. It's true that GS, etc. are forming crypto investment teams, but what Jow Forums doesn't understand is that professionals have huge runways on their actual investments; they don't hop on GDAX and market buy on Day 2. These guys aren't going to be seriously buying in for months, will probably actively suppress the price to the extent they can in advance, and will mostly accumulate OTC over long periods. They know we're still in a blow-off phase, with most of just last year spent just above $1-2k.

I could go on but am running out of space.

>I could post charts all day but Jow Forums loves the "TA is a meme" meme. The reality is TA actually is very useful, especially on large timescales; in other words, trying to predict 15 minute charts may indeed be a fool's errand, but, on the macro level, market cycles really can be forecast with some degree of certainty. In that vein, we have farther to fall. And if we do want to give credence to short term line drawing shenanigans, the double top at $10,000, the bearish divergence that was active at such time, the inability of BTC to rally even after the SEC FUD dried up, etc. all point to a painful drop. Once $9000 breaks down it should be clear to pretty much everyone.
But people have been saying this since we bounced off of ~7xxx a few times as well as 8xxx like 10 times, so how do you make the distinction that NOW is the time? We had people calling a double top at 8xxx every few days at one point

Sincerely interested in what you have to say

Covesting, faggot. Everyone here is shilling shitcoins - COV is a solid team, and trying to innovate in its domain.

Fine, fuck off. I don't care.

People who think TA doesn't work are idiots. It's like saying that collecting market data is crap for business, or measuring a door frame before you fit a door is pointless. TA identifies trends - what causes those trends is a number of things like media, marketing, releases, generally news and confidence. There will always be a pattern to this stuff as news spreads at a rate that has it's own, evolving function. It's hard to describe to the normie, and trends can break at any time just by some random news hitting the market.

We bounced off lower thresholds a couple times in a way which represented breaking down resistance. The timescales on those bounces were much lower and the pullback was nowhere near as severe. Open a daily chart and it becomes super obvious - the difference between what were 2-3 day long bull flags then and what is a two-week-long double top now.

$10k is also a psychologically and algorithmically critical level in a way that the lower levels you mentioned were not. Following the bubble burst we only climbed back over $10k one other time - and we double topped at $12k. $7k, $8k and $9k were each crossed many, many times, both on the way up and the way down.

you expecting another ATH after the bear plays out?

I agree. Every time a "psychological number" is approached and there's resistance, double tops, etc., all the bears and TAers come out of the woodwork saying it's the end and we're going to retest $3k or whatever. Now it's happening again, to nobody's surprise.

Is it just a case of "if I keep repeating it eventually I'll be right"?

See
I could be wrong, of course, but the way we're approaching $10,000 and the way we approached those lesser resistance levels are very clearly fundamentally different. We retraced heavily from $9800 (the first top), lingered in a trough for a week, tried again, and then retraced heavily from $9950 (the second top). If we start moving up again convincingly (say, a few pumps to bring us back to the $9800+ range) I may change my tune but at this time it really does look like the forces of supply are winning over the forces of demand at these price points.

>We retraced heavily from $9800 (the first top), lingered in a trough for a week, tried again, and then retraced heavily from $9950 (the second top
you say "retraced heavily" but it was worse before...

What, before this relief rally? Yes, there were dump days in February, March, etc. that were worse than the recent dumps. But the dump from $9800 and the dump from $9950 were both worse than any other dumps during the relief rally, and took far longer to recover (in fact, the $9950 dump to $9100 hasn't fully recovered and, likely, will not; we're seemingly in a slightly ascending bear flag at the moment).

>But the dump from $9800 and the dump from $9950 were both worse than any other dumps during the relief rally
It really sounds like you're just picking an arbitrary time frame and calling it a "relief rally". I'm talking about the multiple dumps from 8xxx to 7xxx that happened during the long slog up from the 6000's to now

Frankly it really seems like you're just using a lot of wiggle words and taking a shotgun blast approach so that no matter what happens, at least part of what you have claimed here in your last few posts will be somewhat 'accurate'

...because you've just said a LOT of shit

I mean at one point you just say you'd change your mind outright—that's a far cry from "it's common sense that we're retesting $3k"

Hard to take you seriously honestly

Honestly: crypto is dead, the shill threads of all these random shit coins are pathetic. I can't believe there are people desperate enough out there still trying to shill their bags...

>The real bull run doesn't start until the old ATH is broken (same as when the old $1.2k ATH was broken last year).
it'll take seven years, kek

TA works, just because you haven't figured something out, doesn't mean no one has, kek

Look, you're a bull, fine. But if you want to debate, don't bullshit. Here are all the dumps since we started the relief rally, which started on April 12 with the giant green short squeeze/dildo that took us from $6700 to $8100. If you're claiming the rally started in February at the $6000 you're beyond saving; nobody would group together the massive period between then and now, complete with the huge $12k double top, a break-out failure at $7300, etc., and call it a single instance of a rally just because the current price is higher today.

*Breaking $8400*
Bounced between a high of $8400 and a low of $7900 over a period of 4 days before decisively breaking on April 20. $500 spread.

*Breaking $9000*
Bounced between a high of $9050 and a low of $8650 over a period of 4 days before decisively breaking on April 24. $500 spread.

*Breaking $1000*
Has not broken. Attempted twice now with a 7 day separation between attempts.
Attempt #1: $9800 high, $8600 low. 2-day long period. $1200 spread.
Attempt $2: $9950 high, $9150 low. 4-day long period (so far). $800 spread. Likely still in decline on a macro scale.

I'm not saying TA doesn't work, I'm just pointing out a few logical inconsistencies and the trend that I've noticed which is that you people tend to use a lot of double speak and basically just say everything and cover every single base so that you always have an out and can pretend you foresaw something, which is why it's starting to become a "so you're saying it's going up or down" meme

There's strong support at $8700-8900 and an uptrend line just beneath that which is still intact.

Not a big believer in TA as any news or whales can wreck it on a whim, but I won't start worrying unless it breaks below $8700.

And no I don't care what the elliot waves or other cute pattern nicknames say.

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I specifically responded to your claims that the retracements on the way up have been the same as or sufficiently similar to the current decline in BTC's price with real data. You do the same or get the fuck out of here. Don't waste people's time with what is essentially "just feels like you guys are wrong sometimes" BS.

>I specifically responded to your claims that the retracements on the way up have been the same as or sufficiently similar to the current decline in BTC's price with real data. You do the same or get the fuck out of here.
"real data"? you picked some historical price point examples with arbitrary time frames, that's doesn't constitute real data, do you even understand the distinction? The way you misuse the term 'real data' in this context makes me think you don't

I'm not gonna go spend a bunch of time trying to find bounces with a larger "spread" either

>well during this RELIEF RALLY
>well when BREAKING 8400
>well I cited some numbers so that's data
it really seems like you just pick arbitrary points and essentially frame things so that you're correct by definition before you even perform a true analysis

I'm not a "bullfag" (getting sick of this childish meme bullshit) but I'm a realist and so far I'm not seeing anything from you that impresses me

>it can go up or it can go down
>we're retesting 3k, it's common sense
>but if we go up I might change my mind

Again, no real argument. "I don't like your results, so I'll just make a conclusory statement that your methodology is arbitrary with zero foundation for my own claim."

My time frames were not randomly selected; they represent the three major retracement periods on our way up from $6700, which is clearly the local bottom. Open up a chart for God's sake. If you don't think there's a DECISIVE break from the trend with that enormous green dildo followed by a consistent upward pattern, thus enabling us to classify the period from then until now as a "rally," you are either legitimately mentally disabled or a disingenuous troll.

Why not try and actually debate (you know, provide a counter-proposal and support it with evidence) those of us in this thread who contradict your preconceptions instead of simply smugly stating you're "unimpressed" our analysis? Or better yet, just fuck off. I'm out.

what are your thoughts for what happens after the bear plays out? new ATH?

you couch everything you say as though you're using airtight logic but the reality is that it's all speculation and basically bullshit

you are a fucking retard with a huge ego

In your gayest, wettest dreams bearfuck

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STILL can't offer even a SINGLE actual counter-argument. Just LOL. Do you even read what you say before you hit "Post"? The best you can offer is merely "yeah your argument SOUNDS good but you are DUMB so NYEHHH!"? Thanks for the laugh.

buy bitcoin

I don’t trust TA but you seem to really know your stuff. I have $15k in crypto, all in good coins. Is it smarter to cash out or tether up?

Hey user don't worry. Stop being a little bitch cock sucker. Look what happened after MtGox hack. Bear market forever. Prepare for another, it will happen some day if it's not happening right now

When gains happen, they happen

Wait until we get Bitcoin ETFs that boomers can allocate 401k funds to, that's when the big gains come fag

Bearfags make me laugh. Pull random numbers out of your ass some more. Make sure to Tether up.

redditor

I just really feel this too, because I keep waging shit jobs and can't find time to go to school.

Will I ever truly be happy?

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crypto not dead nigger will go down cry about it come back stronger faggot

Absolutely. BTC will reach 30k by July.

What are your goals and market predictions?
(Are you wanting to swing trade, or are you happy holding? Do you expect the BTC market to fall, or to break 20k EOY?)

Nobody knows where it's going, but I believe in the long-term - so I'm just holding alts. (they're growing faster, but suffer more, and a lot less forks)

I believe in the long-term because the tech is too useful. I don't believe that we are witnessing a tech bubble that will disappear (FYI, the bubble has burst about a dozen times already). I think gradually institutional investors will come into the space, and we will see more complex financial instruments being offered. This is still very early in the game. Imagine being involved in the stock market only 9 years after it opened its gates. $15k is a good chunk of change, and you could 100x it over the next 5 years if you don't piss it away.

Be smart. When COV and GVT release their products, someone else can trade and hedge for you.

While I don't agree with how this is worded, I agree with the message.

ZRX, it's done 2.5x in the last month already - showing no signs of resistance.

Can't wait for all the cryptoniggers to kill themselves. It's all going to 0.

Your 'investments' have no value whatsoever.

We're going to 1300 'cause Stone Tone said so

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tomo

The stock market will crash and crypto will go to Jupiter