Did Islam ruin the Middle East, what would it be like today without it?

>what is ancient Mesopotamia

>implying there won't be massacres, oppression, censorship and terrorism between sunnis, shias and christians in the pan-arab paradise

>Islam isn’t the issue with the Middle East
except that it is

Holy fuck he actually fell for the pol meme. Look at pics from outside the capital in Iran prior to the Islamic state and you won't see that much of a difference to modern Iran besides the now higher living conditions. I wish the French killed the bongs before they could infest humanity.

this. they always show cities while ignoring utterly plebeian countryside

Without Islam we would have been Christian extremist instead
Most of the issues we are facing is more political than religious.

What is it?

This sums it up. Religion is just the face of the issue but it’s not the real drive behind it. Religion will become an outdated ideology everywhere soon though.

>Christian extremist
So you'd have actual morals then. Islam is the reason you're tribal cult retards

It is more political and our way of living you dingdong.
We are extremely tribal and conservative because that is our culture and tradition even before Islam.

There are Christian extremists in Lebanon and Egypt but sure, Christians dindu nuffin. It’s all the people who are culturally different from me fault.

>What is it?

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Kill yourself Jow Forumstard.

IQ is not based on race and country.

uh oh you would've upset him

What it has to do with arabs?

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>before Islam
Thats more than a thousand years ago. Im more inclined to believe islam has had a major impact on your cultures since then.

Christians in MENA cunts have been cornered for a long time, you can't quantify their extremism as if it would be the same with a majority.

To me Islam doesn't seem very fleshed out philosophically, just hyped up lessons of a warmonger, which is why you're all warmongers today.

Arab is not an ethnic identity it's a lingual one, you speak Arabic you are Arab. Modern genetics show that most of the people in the Middle East are indigenous, the only thing that has changed is language and culture.

Islam didn't "ruin" the Middle East
It was the French and the Anglos who fucked it up with the Sykes-Picot agreement

The question still stands. What ancient civilizations of Mesopotamia had to do with arabs?

Well given that the people are indigenous they are descendants of the ancient civilizations.

Iran was a shithole for the poor before the revolution and not much different than it is now. The only difference is that Iranians aren't sucking western dick anymore, and hdi is much higher.

I think that only Iran, Iraq, Syria Turkey and Lebanon, all the arab peninsula always has been a shithole

When they couldn't close the gap with the West, they gave up everything and began to fall into religion.
If it were the opposite, europe would have

The Middle East was doing pretty well since prehistory until the French and British got their greedy hands on Ottoman and Persian lands.

the real question is, what would it be like today without Russian and American involvement during and after the Cold War.
it was just as awful before that, but now it is organized, motivated awful with modern war gear.

Arabs have nothing in do neither with Sumerians, nor Babylonians, nor Assyrians.

Extremist Islam ruined it
*before the Mongols

it had negative and positive effects but i wouldn't say it ruined it.
that being said i would have preferred if egypt had remained coptic.
also islam promoted inbreeding which may have been destructive to the gene pool

this. Arabs are a bandit clan, raised to power first by Muhammed, then overthrown by Mongols, then raised to a local power again by Britain during WW1

they do
modern arabs in the levant are closer to those civilisations that the arabs of the peninsula
it's just like how russians are actually genetically closer to finno-ugrics than the rus'

You say that because you know nothing about the religion. Before you go solidifying your opinions, do more research on the topic instead of getting your information from the news and neoconservative websites. Most people haven't read the Quran and if they do, they nitpick sections and take it out of context. This is Muslims and non-Muslims combined. It truly has the least contradictory writings of any religion I have studied and if the middle eastern rulers truly followed it, the region would be a different place. But people use religion for their selfish ambitions and again take messages and teachings out of context to justify their beliefs and those ambitions. This is true not only for Islam, but all religions.

Islam is cancerous. Look at Indian muslims and pakistan.

>Islam isn't the issue
>Tribal/ethnic is
>Also is based on religion
>Islam is a religion

Kill yourself

The Levant isn't Mesopotamia.

I'm not a poltard, but you obviously know more than me.
Without exaggerating, what i mean is Islam seems to be the most trivial and dogmatic, if people could exploit the teachings so easily it isn't fleshed out enough.

Luther exposed Catholic corruption by referring to Christian values.

Try actually reading my post properly instead of grossly simplifying it like that retard.

Iraq is a descendent of Mesopotamia

Yes, Iraq and eastern Syria. Too bad their people were assimilated countless times by different nations during the last 3000 years, until there is nothing left of their greatness.

Where did the Babylonians, Assyrians, Carthaginians, and Ancient Egyptians go?

>Most people haven't read the Quran and if they do
Thank God for that
>Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

> It truly has the least contradictory writings of any religion I have studied and if the middle eastern rulers truly followed it, the region would be a different place.
yeah, no. Go fuck yourself, taqiyyah man.

They got assimilated.

i think it's more that some people take the context out of the quran and give it their own twist or whatever and that the people who they preach it to don't necessarily do their own research on the matter.

Western intervention, Wahhabism, and Oil ruined the Middle East

They need to look back at the light and order of Marduk to be great again.

>be Arab
>identify with a tribe in >2018

Only persian gulf arabs do that. It's confusing when talking about this with foreigners because most people from MENA don't really use "Arab" to refer to others from MENA.

Arab brown devils will also suffer because they are devils by nature

Always suffer*

>Babylonians not arabs
>arab civilisations
Sure thing.

>Christian extremists
Excuse to bomb Copt churches, have cops rob their homes in bvroad daylight, assassinate their clergy.

Denying biological realities will not make the issue go away.

Arabs are just plain lazy and will pray for miracels and so have an axcuse not to work: youtube.com/watch?v=3Pk2-vr4sSw