Does gibraltar belong to spain?

Here's a picture of the average person from Gibraltar.

Does this look like a Spanish person to you?

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quintesentially British

she looks Brazilian

Too many clothes on for a Brazillian

Only if Ceuta and Melilla belongs to Morocco

yes, i can volunteer fighting to retake it to spain if spain help us retake Åland

let me guess
an andalucian larping as a brit?

god, what a cute smile

This. Any argument that Gibraltar belongs to Spain can also be used for Ceuta and Melilla

They should trade Ceuta and Mellila, give them to the British in exchange for Gibraltar.

After Brexit it will be if Spain wants

Nothing belongs to Spain because Spain is a fictional nation that will be balkanized soon

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they have been spanish/portuguese longer than morocco has existed

galicia is, was, and always will be rightful portuguese clay

>portugal is a rightful galician clay
das rite

Your pathetic stump of a nation has only lasted this long on Portuguese good will and luck. You should be thankful everyday that your noble neighbors are guided by the grace of God and have not put you out of your suffering as any other country would have.

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>Kaiane Aldorino López

yeah, such a british surname

Wrong. Galicia and Portugal love each other and they'll get together naturally
Not a matter of who belongs to who, unlike filthy Castilians

No

>mfw Spain vetoes Brexit unless they get Gibraltar

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Are you forgetting about the Royalty Navy?

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English teacher-san is right

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many spaniards work in Gibraltar, we probably will have a good deal with them because of the tourism and old fags spending their pensions here

What happens if a NATO country declares war on another NATO country?

I'd dock in her port.

That relies upon the EU being reasonable and our government not being a shambles.

>EU being reasonable
YOU are the fucking crybabies

well, we give spanish citizenship to sudacas after two years living here, I heard that other europeans don't like that because now they are starting to invade other EU nations, but we could do something similar with brits in the sense of just giving a residency permit with a deal with the NHS, on the other hand in theory the EU told us that we should decide what to do with the gibraltar border anyway

>You have to guarantee our citizens can stay in your country, and can leave whenever they want and come back to the same deal as before, and that it passes down to their children, and that they get tried by our courts over yours
>no, we won't give a mutual guarantee of the same deal for your citizens. you have to accept ours first and then we'll talk
The biggest propaganda coup the EU ever pulled is making it look like we're being unreasonable

Don't you understand leverage? You want something but you have very little to offer. The UK needs a deal more than the EU. If you don't bend over to please you're being unreasonable.

Gibraltar is not British. Technically it’s an semi-independent country within the commonwealth so it has little to do with Brexit.
For example comparable nations in the Caribbean where both France, Britain and Netherlands have overseas territories don’t fall under any EU jurisdiction

It would be extremely painful

So after first talking about how weak and cucked the EU is, you now want some fair and equal deal?
It’s you against the world. The EU has what you want so you better give something very good in return

No, I voted to remain, but I'm in no way surprised the EU is terrible at negotiating deals of any form. We could equally hold you over a barrel on security and intelligence, but we're (ironically) not as perfidious.

Both Britain and the EU wanted to play a game of power and now we are nearing the end of the negotiation period it seems like the EU won. It was pure underestimating from Britain’s side, stop playing the victim of your own game

I wouldn't be surprised if every nation would support the UK, Russia would probably back us.

Are you actually reading my posts or just responding to a person in your head? I've already said our government is a mess -- we're as much in this position by our own bungling as the EU's actions.

Yes but my point is simple: what should the EU actually do according to you?
They cannot sign any deal, and the British government hasnt even given them any proposal that is anywhere near acceptable.
I mean what’s the plan? Play pretend to be a victim until you get your market access without any immigration?

Personally, I'd prefer a hard Brexit. A soft Brexit is a worse deal in every way than just staying in the EU, while hard at least offers the possibility for change and growth. The buisness faction of the Tories is in charge, tho, and it just wants to keep things as close to as they were as possible.

I think the EU made a mistake in rightfully sensing weakness and then pushing too hard -- we're most likely going to leave with no deal, which benefits no-one, rather than a deal which heavily favours the EU. Market access without immigration was obviously non-negotiable from the offset, but the other aspects -- citizens rights, court of justice, Irish border etc -- just served to divide the Tories and stall negotiations.

>I think we should starve
I agree

>I think the EU made a mistake in rightfully sensing weakness and then pushing too hard -- we're most likely going to leave with no deal, which benefits no-one, rather than a deal which heavily favours the EU. Market access without immigration was obviously non-negotiable from the offset, but the other aspects -- citizens rights, court of justice, Irish border etc -- just served to divide the Tories and stall negotiations.
Agreed. I feel like at this point all the EU really tries to accomplish is seeing the British government collapse. Though I would like to add that it is in their interest to deal with a government that has some credibility.

As of now any agreement May makes will be shot down by commons anyway. She doesn't even have a parliamentary majority seeing how half her own party is remain and the other half is leave. What are they supposed to do if nothing you agree upon is definitive.

I would gladly accept that, Ceuta and Melilla only cause problems with the massive entrance of immigrants.

This. Also Moroccans occupied Western Sahara, so they already got more land from us than they deserve.

Who will China support?

Yes, fuck subhuman A*glo roaches

Wrong. The status of Gibraltar was a treaty between the spanish and british crowns. Morroco never had control over Ceuta and Melilla. They belong to Spain because they were part of the Muslims spanish entities and Spain is his succesor state.

We stolen Ceuta to the Portugas with Felipe II. Melilla & the other small rocks are the remains of the Cardenal Cisneros Campaign again Barabrisque Pirates in Africa. Spain had footholds across the Maghreb from Mogador to Tunez around s XVI-XVII.

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A no-deal Brexit equals riots and starvation in the UK. It's beautiful.

> people in this thread unironically think like 12-year-old Hearts of Iron addicts
In real life, both Spain and Britain profit from the statu quo. Thousands of Spaniards cross the border to work in Gibraltar every day, and the Brits love their tax havens and their we wuz empire and shit. Gibraltar is a meme and will always be a meme, Spanish politicians only bring it up when they want to hide some corruption scandal and we're so used to this that our first reaction when Gibraltar is mentioned is asking how much money they stole this time.

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We stolen Ceuta to the Portugas with Felipe II.
Forocoches is that way.

Ceuta and Melilla were part of Al Andalus

Thus was part of visigoths too.

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Nothing, pretty sure Greece and turkey have been at war while they were both in NATO

Youre just a cuck thats fine with spanish sovereignity being spat upon by pasty britistanis.
Spaniards could still work there if Gibraltar was spanish.
If spanitards had a spine they would just take it, what are britshits gonna do about it?

our economy depends a lot of britain.

We kick them out of the EU soon dud.

Wasn't a big chunk of your country under British military administration for a while

I'd be careful with throwing the "C" word around my Teutonic pal

Of course it does.

Rightfully British

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Thank you, based eternal ally and friend.

Enjoy being stuck in there with Ireland, Spain, Poland, Romania, Greece, and Italy. I'm sure you won't mind working a triple shift in order to shoulder their burdens for them, Kurt!

Enjoy poverty

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>Your pathetic stump of a nation

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ITS LITERALLY NAMED MOUNT TARIQ

IT BELONGS TO ARABS

DIE THIEVES

How cute

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Obviously.
youtube.com/watch?v=x0-ZQMy4hvk

And Gibraltar's been British for more than 100 years longer than it was ever Spanish

gib back Olivenza

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fuck off you should have joined us when you could.

No problem. Ireland was a british colony for 800 years yet you still got fucked by some bumfucked by some catholic rural retards.

No. It's called The Rock.

>No problem. Ireland was a british colony for 800 years yet you still got fucked by some bumfucked by some catholic rural retards.

yea but your argument for Ceuta and Melilla being Spanish is that they've been Spanish longer than a Morroccan state's existed. Ireland was English before any united Irish state had existed.

It wasn't our fault that Felipe III was a cunt

Isnt your entire country under the administration of foreign elites since 1800 years and you yourself are a subject of a minor german noble?

>what are the high kings of Ireland
Even then you don't seem to understand that moroccans are barely people and not christian unlike the irish.

>not wanting to assimilate to superior castillian laws and fuck the dutch
>wanting to become independent just to be fucked by the dutch
No brainer really.

English teacher-san is either a liar or has no fucking idea

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STILL SEETHING

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Galicia is a cute but lets avoid turning Iberia into the Balkans.

>what are the high kings of Ireland
A myth? Do you use Arthur in arguments about British sovereignty?

They weren't after some time lad.
Next time you'll say that Brian Boru was a myth too.
>Do you use Arthur in arguments about British sovereignty
tbf that's cool you should do it, even then if you did he was brythonic/welsh so you still got cucked by being a disgusting escandinavian invader

The portugese are just hairy spaniards you dumbass.