Is it true that people in Europe don't consider themselves White? Why is that?

Because we have individual nations to identify with.

we dont, they are overdramatic and think we owe them something

and even still, what difference does it make if we don't use these burger terms? is hate not possible outside of them?

Check the US census. They include North Africans, Arabs, Indians, Iranians and Caucasus people as whites.

because they are ugly, poor, stupid foreigners

Spanish were never white.

We consider ourselves caucasian

Isn't he talking about Bulgaria?

To be honest, I am not entirely certain where the term has it's origin. I assume it's America, because outside of and before America, geographical descriptions sufficed.
But I can tell you this for certain: before very recently, no Swiss person would have understood "wyss" as referring to a race. The term recently gained that meaning as a translation of the American "white".

White isn't a Bulgarian term and is thus not defined by Bulgarians considering Bulgarian circumstances, but by Americans, who include Nafris and so on in their definition of white.

Whited are generally pasty affeminated people, don't associate us Mediterraneans with that group of sissies.

I was talking about Bulgaria, yes, but this may apply elsewhere too.
Because if you look at their skin colour, they're not all that different to southern Europeans. Skin colour - they're "white".
But they are of different culture (some would say "non-European") and of different religion to the majority of Europe, and we do acknowledge that.

As the other anons before me have pointed out, we're not concerned with whiteness as much as we are with being ourselves from a cultural and ethnical standpoint. Nobody in Europe gives a fuck about some arbitrary standard of whiteness. We're Europeans identifying with whatever nation we belong to.

"White" isn't a concept here. We have nations. There are Greeks, there are Germans there are Russians, there are French. That's it.

Pretty sure white/brown/black/yellow/red predates America's existence

spain and greece are white countries

They are treated badly because they are foreigners and because they are poor; mainly because they're poor desu.

If Yuropeepees unironically consider Arabs as white Why do we get bullied for the same thing so much? At least, we don't actually treat them as white like you

Europeans love to say they don't use racial categories like us but they pretty much use the word "European" as code for white

our xenophobia has less to do with race and everything to do with nationalism, like how east asians hate each other despite looking identical.

blacks and muslims might not be treated well, but neither are slavs

No one considers them white. They are considered as sand niggers.

>The term "white race" or "white people" entered the major European languages in the later 17th century, originating with the racialization of slavery at the time, in the context of the Atlantic slave trade[11] and the enslavement of indigenous peoples in the Spanish Empire.[12]
>Before the age of exploration, group differences were largely based on language, religion, and geography. […] the European had always reacted a bit hysterically to the differences of skin color and facial structure between themselves and the populations encountered in Africa, Asia, and the Americas (see, for example, Shakespeare's dramatization of racial conflict in Othello and The Tempest). Beginning in the 1500s, Europeans began to develop what became known as "scientific racism," the attempt to construct a biological rather than cultural definition of race […] Whiteness, then, emerged as what we now call a "pan-ethnic" category, as a way of merging a variety of European ethnic populations into a single "race"
>In the 16th and 17th centuries, "East Asian peoples were almost uniformly described as white, never as yellow."[16] Michael Keevak's history Becoming Yellow, finds that East Asians were redesignated as being yellow-skinned because "yellow had become a racial designation," and that the replacement of white with yellow as a description came through scientific discourse.[17]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

They're white but not European, simple as.

>Yuropeepees unironically consider Arabs as white
We don't. But that's besides the point. Mutt memes and the other kinds of shit that target Americans come from the fact that you insist on associating yourselves with cultures that you have no idea about, to which you apply your bullshit whiteness standards to feel better about yourselves.
>Look at me I'm 1/75th Swedish pure white Aryan blood praise Odin
While the Americas are in fact a clusterfuck.

>While the Americas are in fact a clusterfuck.
In what way? You mean actually mixed or just a wide array of ethnicities?

Oh, and also, no one in America considers Arabs white lol, not even Arabs themselves, or Hispanics, that's an entirely new thing that started with George Zimmerman to make it a black/white issue for the media to capitalize on.

Europeans fucking hate it if we identify as just white, you hate it, too if we identify with our family's ethnicities... So what do you want from us, then?

Both I assume. In my experience "White" and "European" are used interchangeably.
I don't mean to offend anyone because I live in what Americans might consider a memestate on the edge of Europe i.e not an authority on how Europeans feel about the US

We never address ourselves as European faggot. We always say our nationality instead of our continent because we differ too much even in such a small space. Belgians and Dutch are not the same for instance

I don't consider myself white. I am Appalachian.

Identify as American, simple as. You don't hear Europeans calling themselves 1/57th Quebecois or some shit.
You don't live in Europe so you have no reason to identify with whatever European ethnicity your family might have. Only Europeans living abroad get to do that.

That's not true though. A lot of Americans have come recently, my parents came here from Romania, and as an aside, does it make you feel better that I have zero Romanian culture and don't know the language? I think it's kind of a bad thing because me and my parents are so different. Also, race mixing is very rare percentage-wise in America. I do think it will rise more and more though.

i've always heard the word african or negro referring to blacks and recently the use of black word increased.

what do you call people from mena

>does it make you feel better that I have zero Romanian culture and don't know the language?
No. It makes me feel bad. Our nation is falling apart because of people like your parents who move abroad and raise their children in other cultures for the sake of better living conditions. What I mean to say is that you're not Romanian, just an American whose parents immigrated.

We identify as American AND whatever out racial/ethnic background is. Maybe it's easier for you Euros to just identify with your nationality since it almost always matches with your ethnicity as well, but unlike you not a nation state

That is why the USA is a mistake as a nation. It would be better if it did not exist.

>Our nation is falling apart because of people like your parents who move abroad
Lol I think that was Ceausescu's fault my dude

It's everybody's fault. The government is shit and the people are selfish cunts. It's a vicious cycle.

wtf I hate Thailand and Thais now

It is not really up to debate. The hatred between Americans for each other shows that having a state with many nations in it is a bad idea.

Because im whiter than whites. The word “white” doesnt even come close to depicting my transparent skin colour.

America is full of immigrants from all over, people leaving is not unique to you. If you want to blame America as large for brain drain that's one thing. One other question. Do you not believe there is such a thing as "Romanian people"? And I don't mean geographically speaking.

I don't think they're that similar. They seem much darker on average than them, they also have different faces.

Arent Gypsies Romanian people outside Romania? Am i wrong?

>Do you not believe there is such a thing as "Romanian people"?
I do. People living in Romania and ethnic Romanians from Moldova make up our people. I have no respect for diaspora cunts who go to places like Italy or Germany to work menial jobs and then come back here feeling like they're hot shit. Some of my relatives are like that and I dislike them.

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It sounds like you don't consider diaspora Romanians Romanians out of spite then. Especially considering Moldovans Romanian goes against your geographic definition.

Moldova is a historically Romanian region. Moldovans come and go. They speak our language, respect out culture etc. My Moldovan friends, for example, came here to study and they work in Romania's best interests. It's worth pointing out that they're also unionists.
Meanwhile your average diaspora cocalar lives in some shitalian flat with his bastard children and gets paid for wiping old people's asses, and then he comes here acting all "M-MUH COUNTRY".

Pretty much all immigrant groups retain their culture, especially the older generations. We have neighborhoods full of one specific nationality, and communities. You just sound mad but inconsistent. Another question. Is a gypsy in Romania more Romanian than me?

>Pretty much all immigrant groups retain their culture
>have zero Romanian culture and don't know the language
Miss me with that shit. It's also easy for you to call me mad without knowing what a good chunk of Romanian diaspora is like. And no. Neither of you is truly Romanian. The difference is that the gypsy also happens to be subhuman.

>>have zero Romanian culture and don't know the language
I'm very unique in that regard, I'm the exception, not the rule. Pretty much cut off from my extended family who is in the Romanian community which is strong here.

>It's also easy for you to call me mad without knowing what a good chunk of Romanian diaspora is like.
I used to go to Romanian churches as a kid, don't see what was so bad about them, but they definitely felt non-American and from another country.

>And no. Neither of you is truly Romanian.
Then geography doesn't matter like you originally stated.

I may have been hasty. By "People living in Romania" I meant actual Romanians because gypsies shouldn't be alive in the first place. And sure, the situation where you're from might be different, but I've seen many cases of people outright shitting on Romanian culture for the sake of foreign gibs while expecting to be respected in their country.

I was born in romania, I lived here for almost 20 years, I don't feel romanian at all maybe because here if full of tarani and boschetari from Romania and I don't recognize myself with these people or maybe because even when I lived in romania I was treated as a stranger.
I truly don't know

What do you consider yourself?

It seems like your reasons for disqualifying people's heritage is emotional rather than rational.

Go be "rational" about your heritage then. None of us is gonna take your LARPing seriously.

Europe isn't racist like we are

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We are usually ethnocentric.
If you have poor heritage you get judged by that.
The qualities of certain peoples dont really derive from their whiteness and a selfidentifier is usually the common bloodline/language group.

Magrebini. Musulmani. Marocchini.

I don't though. I'm the model American non-Americans want their diaspora to be. However, over the course of my life I've been asked a lot my background, by all races, I tell them I'm Romanian. I just don't understand, you expect people to go to another country and just drop their culture 100% and adopt the new one? Over many generations I can understand that, you'd love Southern people.

Every Swiss person I met was not pure Swiss

only mongrels (aka north americans) care about race

>just drop their culture 100% and adopt the new one
You don't know shit about our culture, you don't speak the language, you're not familiar with the customs or the history and you're probably not even Orthodox. You personally didn't drop anything because you had nothing to drop.
>I tell them I'm Romanian
You're not and you will never be. Stop it.

ofc it has a racial tint, but outside of the american frame.

When it comes to scientific racism we had developed that concept already much further while you stuck with antiquated categories, see pic related.
that made and mak much more sense for your world of living though.

Furthermore, you have to know that describing races in the first place only got to be something outside of a narrow intellectual sphere in the beginning of the late 19th/early 20th century. Thus the selfidentification of commoners remained mostly about ethnic alliance, more so after the war, until today where the concept gets broken up again or replaced by an american view in the case of far left and right groups.

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is a tough question but I would say:
I am a Romanian fully integrated in the Italian society.

Why do you keep harping on something that I told you I was the exception?

>You're not and you will never be. Stop it.
It's not something I aspire to be, it's just the correct answer to the question. My parents are undoubtedly Romanians, how the fuck am I not? You've already made it clear that the geographic definition isn't valid.

don't you think a white identity would help germany completely assimilate all their european immigrants into german society

That used to be true when European implied white. Now "European" or "German" or "French" etc. doesn't really have much of a meaning

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>Why do you keep harping on something that I told you I was the exception?
Because I'm talking to you personally and you're the one who keeps calling himself Romanian.
>My parents are undoubtedly Romanians, how the fuck am I not?
The only thing making you Romanian is your parents' birth certificates. You contribute to the amerimutt circlejerking that Jow Forums keeps telling you about and you refuse to listen.

This American is right. These days when someone says French people, you think about completely black football player like Pogba or something. Europe is shifting towards American meaning of "white" because EU is basically trying to become USA 2.0

So if I retained the culture, knew the language and stayed within the Romanian community that goes to church/work and eats sarme and mititea together would I be Romanian, or nah?

A white identity would assimilate us into whatever white means and not the other way around. Also european immigrants would still stick with their own if they wish so but have usually lifed besides us without many issues anyway. Poles for example outrightly assimilated for the most part because they wanted to, keeping their polishness in the background.
Now that we loose compure and get an anxiety attack about our identity the young poles/diaspora offspring starts to emphatise their poledom more again. Why should they want to be "white" under a german banner then?

Yes, and if you actually knew the names of the foods you're talking about. Until then you're just Joseph William aspiring-romanian Ștefănescu

You don't need complete assimilation (which isn't possible anyway, as i'd rather call the "american melting pot" an "american wedding cake", as it's extremely stratified), you can afford having an X% of Y European immigrants with Italian nationality, they're gonna be welcomed (or even unironically enriching) guests and that's it, as long as their percentage isn't high enough to influence the communities they live in.

Well if you didn't realize,
>Because I'm talking to you personally and you're the one who keeps calling himself Romanian.
this wasn't a conversation about me, but the diaspora. You originally disqualifies them on the simple fact they are geographically American but you completely 180'd right here, because most the diaspora is like that. Either way, that's kind of an American way of looking at nationality.

Anyway, if I'm abroad and someone asks where I'm from, I'd tell them I'm American and nothing more. In America when people ask that, being American is default so obviously they want to know where you originate from.

>You originally disqualifies them on the simple fact they are geographically American
I should point out the majority of the older generations of diaspora were born in Romania and came in middle age or later years.

you can identify yourself as a romanian but you're different from them, you don't think like them, you have different needs and you are more American than romanian because you view of the world is influenced by the people around you. btw I'm not saying you're not romanian

You seem to have missed some of my points. I wish you well in life regardless. Sănătate.

I've stated that myself many times in my conversation with him

this. When you come from culture you compare culture. When you come from a melting pot you brag about melanin levels

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only northern euros are wh*Te

well, i imagine a white identity in germany would be largely based off ethnic germans' culture since you're the majority of white people, obviously.
>why should they want to be "white" under a german banner then?
they wouldn't really have any option. besides names, could you really tell a german-born pole apart? they would just be treated as white
america as a whole isn't exactly a melting point, i agree, but in the case of white americans i think it is, besides some pockets here and there, european immigrants have become almost completely assimilated with each other and to the original stock of european settlers.
>they're gonna be welcomed (or even unironically enriching) guests and that's it
in that case, you're kinda already doing it, don't you think? i mean wether you want it or not, if they're being assimilated into the italian ethnic identity, that means that it's becoming a bigger tent. i just think if europe had a sense of white identity, it would be far easier for you to integrate other europeans to the local group.

i hope what i'm saying makes sense.

mmm yeah sorry I didn't read. just don't take it too personal

>just don't take it too personal
I'm not, which is why I made it clear multiple times that culturally I'm completely American, I was just trying to understand how he defines a Romanian. He has inconsistencies in that.

we just don't obsess about it like goblinos. People in europe fought each other for thousands of years, there is no monolithic idea of whiteness that unites us. It is mutt fiction

Why were Europeans able to come together as one people here but not in E*rope?

I'll go for one of the many practical examples, our neighbour and family friend is a Norwegian woman, have been living in Italy for 40 years, has citizenship and everything. People still call her "La Norvegese", with no malice at all. She's a guest, we like her, nobody needs to pretend she belongs to a broader Italian identity and neither does she. Hope this encapsulates this whole thingy

>could you really tell a german born pole apart. No, not generally. A very few with the most stereotypical slavface mayb but thats it. Although, they are still a bit more conservative about relationships then us on average and other subtle hints maybe.

>a white identity would be largely based off ethnic germans culture
Civic nationalism?
We are already doing that and its usually seen as the right thing to culturally adapt to the country you migrate to anyway. Nothing would change if you told people to adapt our culture please, they would as they already do but keep in mind they have italian ancestry for example.
But when you want to redefine german identity it doesnt has to be white at that point and might as well include turks and the new germans.

you aren't 'europeans'. stop larping, europeans are people who live on the contient of europe. I feel as much connection to the average albanian or italian as a japanese person does for an indonesian

he is just butthurt and hates diaspora. is normal don't worry