Is it true that Americans view him as almost as evil as Hitler?

What do any of these countries have to do with communism? China's economic system is nearer to fascism and the "developing world" is a lot of countries presumably, not all of which are influenced by or reflect Marxist thought.

From russia.

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Yeah, but using that as an argument against him. That's the sort of anti-idpol stuff /leftypol/ loves to complain about. And some I suppose, such as Jow Forumssocialism, would argue that as he was jewish he doesn't really qualify as "white", depending on in what context the discussion is happening in.

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On the internet, they seem to view him worse for some reason beyond my understanding.

>when it fails, it's communism
>when it succeeds, it's not communism

>be commie
>struggle in poverty
>accept market economy from capitalism
>be developed

LMAO

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>just americans
I fled my country because it was communist to move here. But of course some rich trust fund know it all living in a fancy apartment will tell you that I am coward incel

China is neo fascism

Eh, what's communist and what isn't. There were and are so many different directions of thought that not one of them can directly represent communism. These infographs always end up misguided for that reason.

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You do realise that by 1981 China had been communist for over 30 years and was beginning to turn more capitalistic.

Fair enough, it's just the rest of the stuff wasn't idpol nonsense but straight up lies
>as he was jewish
Born a Jew sure, but later became a humanist or pseudo-atheist

China and ussr really aren't places to brag about, yeah?

>be commie
>struggle in poverty
>become giant sweatshop with no labour rights whatsoever for foreigner businesses
>be developed
Fixed

communist regimes of china and ussr both managed to take a huge agrarian country and industrialize it over a short period of time.
This is quiet an achievement, I would say

Not only that but the average american thinks that universal healthcare and taking away guns is the equivalent of full blown Stalinist collective communes.

While at the same time endlessly quoting a full-blown socialist who fought for a Marxist group thinking he's on their side in supporting corporate capitalism.

Americans aren't clever people.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu

Why are commies irredeemable retards?

Yeah, but jewish in the sense of from the jewish ethnicity and seen by his contemporaries and society as a German-Jew. But yes, hard to tell what the comic is going for exactly. Maybe because Garrison is so mental it shines through even in edits of his comics.

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>engaging in massive fallacies
Embarrassing.

With all the political repression, forced labour and stifling of workplace democracy, I genuinely find nothing to brag about in them. Non-market collective labour can create enormous successes, yes. But shit, you don't need to use China or Ussr to prove that. Or you'd have to see what exactly made them succeed in that. The type of planning of labour and labour practice they employed, instead of just attributing it to communism as opposed to capitalism.

Well hitler didn't starve his own kids while writing his fanfiction, so I guess Marx is at least lamer than Adolf?

>With all the political repression, forced labour and stifling of workplace democracy
just like during industrialization in the western countries, eh?

Why do leftards hate freedom so much?

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The pic looks like what Chinese """government""" goes on.

It's probably because there are articles saying that Marx, as a white male, has no place in an emancipatory struggle. You think I'm joking, but I genuinely saw them.

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Communism is so broadly applied it would be more profitable to talk of the strains of Marxist thought those who govern the countries were purporting to follow or concoct in order to become a communist society. For China, Maoism is practiced in name only, it seems communist Romania went away with Ceausescu though desu I know nothing of Romania since, the Khmer Rouge are gone and Cambodia would be wrong to say that country was ever succeeded, it just failed worse with Pol Pot. North Korea's Juche ideology is kinda nazbolish and the only of the three resembling it's Marxist regime roots. I doubt it's as bad as popularly portrayed in documentaries but it still blows. So yes.

His stupid ideas caused more death and misery than German tanks ever could. And not just in Europe.

Not only then, but all through the 20th century with suppression of unions and 'radicals', particularly in the US. But that doesn't change my point.

He is just a philosopher/economist/sociologist

lmao

the point is that to you can't transform a feudal society into a developed country overnight

I don't doubt it. I do however expect that the reach of people with such ideas is pretty limited, even beyond the amplifying force of the internet.

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I would say a communist is somebody whose end goal is a communist society
a marxist is somebody who uses marxs way of thinking to analyse the society

I don't think people think about Marx all that much in general. Here he's associated with communism, so in a way we Eastern Europeans certainly do.

Even then you're talking about orthodox marxism, with all its misinterpretations, revisions and plain stupid expansions of plain stupid ideas.
'marxist' really ought to mean nothing more than 'strongly influenced by marx'

Social democracy will usually lead to iuncrease in socialist sentiment. That is correct.

Its because social liberals give people pity money and the indulgent retard segment of the recipients would rather hear they're given what is owed to them.

he may have been sarcastic

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Yes. And mine is that that success is to be analysed from the point of the policies that made it succeed, instead of being broadly attributed to communism. Because just saying communism means nothing, seeing as the practices of countries calling themselves communist don't become essentially communist and some of their practices were nothing I could condone.

I hope, because it's a fucking stupid idea. But then again, so is the whole autism about who can represent whom.

Who cares?

>muh supersonic

Supersonic is energy inefficient because of disproportionally large air resistance at certain speed ranges. People prefer to fly 1st class on large planes that allow to sleep through the flight instead of paying more and get craped like a sardine. Muh snoop droops weren't weren't a popular choice.

He is actually worse than Hitler. He might even be the cause of Hitler.

idpol is a cia psyop made to drive leftists away from genuine communism, the only force that has ever challenged the capitalist. so is your bullshit about direct democracy and trotskyism

>People prefer to fly 1st class on large planes that allow to sleep through the flight instead of paying more and get craped like a sardine. Muh snoop droops weren't weren't a popular choice.
An example of capitalism hampering scientific progress. Weird, I thought the free market always led to innovation and advancement.

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20m is jackshit though

Have you read Trotsky?

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True, not a whole lot in the grand scheme. Still, better to see them not dead imho

yes was trot when i was a teen. still enjoy his writing and think he has an artist's spirit (and an artist's narcissism). but he was in bed with the italian fascists and then the fbi. really don't know how you can believe otherwise given the course of his life and where he was granted asylum and who he spent that time with.

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What exactly do you mean by idpol? Because feminist, anti-racist and anti-colonial movements have all went along with communist movements.
>democracy is a cia psyop
really nigga

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Stalin and Mao were worse than Hitler

So yes

Hampering what? Useless adaptations of existing technology that shits tons of CO2 into the atmosphere so mr suit can get faster somewhere? Maybe you'd like this to be ubiquitous and all flight had x10 larger emission?

grasping dilettante

>africa and india
>capitalism

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Yes.

>Is it true that Americans view [Karl Marx] as almost as evil as Hitler?
>Stalin and Mao were worse than Hitler So yes
But he didn't ask about either of them though...

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Yeah. Why, is that not real capitalism or something?

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You can't separate them. Marx's revolutionary ideology, whenever applied, led to authoritarian one party dictatorship, and there are obvious reasons for that in Marx's writings.

He was a kike

Every gentile views him as the mass murdering civilization recking rat fraud he was.

you need to exercise skepticism and not underestimate the superior intelligence and resources of the enemy. take the time to read about known spooks in the left, front organisations, thinktanks, ford foundation and similar orgs.

remember that publishing is the core of every propaganda campaign, and that the social programmers of the early 20th century knew that the most important thing they needed to control was books.

consider that everyone who becomes popular on social media does so because they're being promoted by that social media

to cut a long post short, "kurdish experiment" is cia bs, "occupy wall street" is cia bs.

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>capitalism is everything that isn't muh ideal comunism including the ussr which was state capitalist
If you're going to criticize capitalism you should actually define capitalism in a meaningful way, like economic freedom

What about non-authoritarian marxists, like Allende? And are you claiming that each of these countries, that has claimed to be following Marx' ideology, have been flawless applications of it?

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and wash it down with lenin's "imperialism, the highest state of capitalism"

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Communism and Capitalism are both cancer.

user. I know that cia infiltrated a lot of groups. But if you're going to tell me that Foucault or de Beauvoir are psyops, or that democracy is, then seriously.
And I'm curious, what is it about occupy? They haven't been relevant in, what, a decade?

>If you're going to criticize capitalism you should actually define capitalism in a meaningful way, like economic freedom
I thought the definition was understood. All of Marxism is built on a thorough critique of capitalism, and the definition of capitalism is inherrent to it. Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, with production run for the accumulation of profit. That is the definition of capitalism, not something as vague and flimsy as "economic freedom"

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Love the 'economic freedom' meme.
user, neoliberalism is not the only sort of capitalism, and the places you'd like to disassociate from it also have a monetary, market economy.

Honestly for all the debate in the world you are still a complete retard to think that giving a permanent political class 100% control of the economy (probably through a violent revolution which will result in one party authoritarian dictatorship) will make you better off than having a free market

Nordic model is arguably better than just a free market but communism sucks shit and you are a religious drone

>monetary
LOL ban money!!!! Muh labor vouchers which are totally not currency

>giving a permanent political class 100% control of the economy
If by politcial class you mean the working class, the majority of people in society, and thus democratic control.

>probably through a violent revolution
That depends on whether the capitalist class will surrender to the will of the people or not.

>you should actually define capitalism in a meaningful way

>In general, capitalism as an economic system and mode of production can be summarized by the following:

>Capital accumulation: production for profit and accumulation as the implicit purpose of all or most of production, constriction or elimination of production formerly carried out on a common social or private household basis.
>Commodity production: production for exchange on a market; to maximize exchange-value instead of use-value.
>Private ownership of the means of production: ownership of the means of production by a class of capital owners, either individually, collectively (see corporation) or through a state that serves the interests of the capitalist class (see state capitalism).
>Primacy of wage labor: near universality of wage labor, whether so-called or not, with coerced work for the masses in excess of what they would need to sustain themselves and a complete saturation of bourgeois values at all levels of society from the base reshaping and reorganization described above .

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>democratic control
>but counter revolutionaries are banned and gulag'd and there's only one party like in China or NK
Yeah lol

Can you eat cotton? Why do they produce so much cotton?

You won't find many communists advocating authoritarianism or political repression.
If you'd read a bit of the capital, or an introduction to it, you'd know why I made a very specific reference to money.

>counter revolutionaries are banned and gulag'd and there's only one party like in China or NK
Counter revolutionaries meaning organizations that opposes the socialist society by force and seeks to reastablish capitalism violently, yes. People who disagree with socialism peacefully and would seek to return to capitalism democratically, no.

Yeah, and communists were killed in chile.
Wonderful. We have agreed upon political repression being bad.

Thank you Eisenhower for defending south korea against the vile communists and allowing SK to develop into a first world nation instead of being trapped in impoverished brutal dictatorship

Thank you China and Vietnam for transitioning back to capitalism despite having a communist government in name

Thanks Cuba for experimenting with free markets so that maybe not everyone has to be poor and sit around not working all day

youtu.be/n-mUZRP-fpo

Meh. The degree to which capitalism is present in Cuba is really exagerated.

youtube.com/watch?v=L_pqmtP1W0M

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Sometimes i thinks is a bad idea for me to browse 4chin having a polsci degree, my eyes bleed with all the atrocities i have to read.

Thoughts on Malcolm Caldwell?
t. tankie

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>communism doesn't wo-

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>You won't find many communists advocating authoritarianism or political repression.
See And /leftypol/ and the USSR and China and Vietnam and Cuba and North Korea

Why someone would go defend the red khmers is beyond me.
But, anyway, haven't read him.

> if I don't like it then it's not capitalism
Based Americans

I was talking about Europe. And in those countries, its place within the discourse is accidental (its justification being external subversion), rather than essential, much like the justification of measures of repression in Europe or the US, as opposed to the traditional and fascist justifications, which are essential rather than accidental. Anyway, that doesn't make the actual practice better, or repression itself, and you'll find similar shit whenever there is an upper class, as has created itself in those places. For the attitude of european communist authors toward the ussr, it was cautious precisely due to the authoritarianism, but optimistic.
>/leftypol/
Surprised that a Jow Forums political discussion board would be absolutely retarded?

Kek at how most of these sources are soviet sources.

>this burger absolutely getting BTFO by this finn
This thread is the tops.

You'd be very unpopular on /n/

Should we follow capitalistic sources that go on about how communism murdered 100 billion people?

I'm not saying they are inherently false but I would always be very suspicious off soviet sources claiming the soviet union is a great country.

Not unreasonable, though as it is an account used for beurocratic economic management it is worth taking seriously. If the USSR just lied about how awesome it was doing industrially at every level to other sections of the government, it probably would not have seen the vast growth that even anti-communist sources show it did. There had to be some certainty in how the economy was doing when they were attempting to plan out every aspect of production.

Nobody cares about your LARPing, Cletus.