ITT: we talk about the most based war in the history of wars, the Russian civil war

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Latvian Riflemen the most based faction

I am not an anarchist, I just think that Makhno was generally based.

>Makhno
Dont you know he was anti-hungarit and did lil genocide of hangarians? There were death camps for hangarians, gas rooms and all other funny things. And most evil crime was that Makhno didnt let hungarians to eat gulash and dance chardash. Terrible, terrible person.

Poland obviously, if we count international forces.

If to pick between Russians, then I choose Whites under mah boi Wrangel.

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Tzarists had the best music
Losers often do see: American Civil War

This is one of the weirdest new Russian propaganda stories.

For those who haven't heard it Russian propagandists now say that 5000 Latvians installed communism in Russia and gulaged millions of them because Latvians are very very evil.

Choo Choo

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Sounds based.

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Latvian commies were worse than Russians.

Nobody telling that. The point is, most of the bolshevik leaders and military commanders were jewish, latvian and polish.

Well desu 100 000 Hungarians fought in the red army. Also I read somewhere that Latvian also meant gaijin.

Not sure if Russians and Ukranians will think this civil war was based.

It’s true though. Bolsheviks were only able to take power because of their appeal to previously marginalized groups like Latvians and Jews. Ironically, these groups would claim to be victims of communism thirty years later

>tfw your country spends millions intervening in another country's civil war and trying to kill the reds and keep the Tzar in power but they still lose.
Feels burger man

>According to my studies in Russian constitutional law Poland is still considered a break away Russian state.
Since the empire hasn't existed in 100 years, no.

Latvians were red cock munchers tbqh

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This, Lenin itself was a giant Russophobe. I don't understand why Ukrainians ruin his statues.

>little russians
kek
come home Ukrainian brother

It's same with Stalin now - the most loud people who claim Stalin was murderer are descendants of people who have been real murderers during his regime

absolutely based
this. Also, a traitor is always worse than the enemy.
>ukrainians
>little Russians
kek

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based Dzerzhinsky and the Cheka rooting out counterrevolutionary subhumans

Latvia was a particular case, 1/3 was commie, 1/3 was totally German Landeswehr, 1/3 was pro-independence.

>West Russian Volunteer Army
>but their real goal was to sustain German power in the Baltic region.

In October 1919, the West Russian Volunteer Army attacked the newly independent states of Lithuania and Latvia, to which Germany had granted independence. It briefly occupied the west bank of the Daugava river in Riga and the government of Kārlis Ulmanis had to request military assistance from Lithuania and Estonia
Based.

>literally every Baltic nationality ridiculously overrepresented
so why is the meme 'Judeo-Bolshevism' and not 'Balto-Bolshevism'?

>to which Germany had granted independence.
USSR had granted independence for them too
uh uh it's so easy to manipulate with independence

> eesti got TOLD
so nice to see some no life fags on int actually know their history instead of whatever watered down shit they feed to Estonian school kids

Who the fuck cares if they were worse or better. It's something like 5000 people in a war with 10 million fighters. Latvians would need to be some fucking space marines for this story to be in any way plausible.

>Sternberg
>Baron Roman-Nikolai-Maksimilian Fyodorovich (von) Ungern-Sternberg)
I don't think his nam was long enough.

Shut it down, Latvian spies are everywhere. They're killing those who tell truth.

Flag
Bolsheviks
Yes but that's not the point

he was a huge retard, he wanted to raid europe (france) because he thouhght all the revolutions comes from the French,

Most factions were retarded and ineffectual enough that 5000 well-organized militants could conceivably influence the outcome of the war.

I saw a veteran of the Independence War and shook his hand. I remember his stories about how they took half of Latvia. Of course Latvians didn't set up the system but most of our war effort went against their commies.

Balts joined later on. The judeocommunism meme is from Tsarist times.

just how old are you granpa

>Not knowing about the secret Latvian space mission funded by illegal potato money

probably because Balts collaborated with the Nazis en masse and were subsequently “redeemed” in the eyes of those who believe in the Judeo-Bolshevism myth

Balts have a two-faced love for totalitarian ideologies, and cooperated with any big player that was a haegemon in their area, without thinking about morals or consequences.
Bolsheviks come - they collaborate with them
Nazis come - they collaborate with them
Soviets come back - they collaborate with them
NATO comes - they collaborate with it

Why do you think Piłsudski had to protect his compatriots in Wilno, in 1919?

>tfw dumb burger who literally has no idea about the 1917 revolution other than there were commies.
They dont teach anything about revolutions (other than the American revolution) in the US. My US history class went over the Spanish-American war completely skipped over what happened to Cuba after the US gained possesion of it from Spain then starts talking about how evil the Cuban revolutionaries were for overthrowing their government without even mentioning how the US' shenanigans is what caused the revolution or why they revolted at all. My only understanding of the Russian revolution, which is probably wrong, is
>leftists and liberals overthrow the Tzar in February
>liberals try to screw over the leftists
>Bolsheviks take power in October.
Give me a quick rundown plz

>Also I read somewhere that Latvian also meant gaijin.
I've heard this too, it was like a word to describe the foreigners fighting in the war.

No. This story is ridiculous. 5000 Latvians, backed by 100,000 Russians were beaten by Estonians and then these 5000 supposedly went on to and somehow be a major force beat ten million Russians.

This story is so ridiculous that it was never used before our current post-truth internet era had kicked into full steam.

>Why do you think Piłsudski had to protect his compatriots in Wilno, in 1919?
But he massacred the Lithuanians of Vilnius.

Spanish Civil War was way more based than the Russian tbqh.

Lots of hilarious atrocities on both sides.

I will never not laugh at the image of
>nationalists walking a well-known leftist around town at gunpoint and shooting anyone who seemed friendly towards him
>republican militiamen proposing to nuns and shooting them if they say no

(you)

>Lithuanians of Vilnius.

All six of them?

It was fairly screwed up. People had trained imaginative methods of torture on Rif civilians some years earlier, and then NKVD and Italian advisors gave them new ideas.

28, he was bummed about not taking Riga as our rightful clay.

>Give me a quick rundown plz

Battle royale.

and how old that dude was? what did he do during commie era?

(1/2)
>WWI becomes unpopular in Russia
>Tsar abdicates amidst mass unrest and rioting
>shaky provisional government manned by ex-Duma (the Tsarist parliament which was often a rubber stamp more than anything) comes to power
>wants to modernize Russia and bring it up to speed with the liberal west
>decides to continue on the war and 'honor their commitments' to the allies
>meanwhile every last revolutionary group in the country (and exiles outside it) sees their chance for power in all of the chaos
>Lenin comes back from exile and rallies the Bolsheviks
>soldiers and urban workers pretty quickly won over by the reds because they're absolutely sick of the war
>a bunch of internecine bickering and shenanigans, a lawyer named Kerensky briefly takes charge and tries to shape things up, fails
>Bolsheviks launch coup in Petrograd, provisional government crumbles
>reds take control of the Russian heartland, while anti-red forces consolidate on the fringes (Urals, Ukraine, Finland)
>when the Bolsheviks lose an all-Russian election in the legislative assembly to the Left SRs, they disband
>civil war begins
>the anti-reds become known as the 'white army' but really it's an umbrella term for anyone fighting the bolsheviks
>contrary to popular belief most of the whites didn't pledge allegiance to the tsar, but rather to the disbanded legislative assembly in Petrograd
>a bunch of sperging out for about four years
>white forces in the north, south, and east press in on the red center of the country, with unsteady aid from the Allied powers
>internecine fighting amongst the whites (there were about four different anti-Bolshevik governments in Ukraine in about a year), and failure to properly coordinate (you had Denikin and eventually Wrangel on the Black Sea, Kolchak on the Urals, and Yudenich on the Baltic, none of them knowing what the other was doing) causes the white cause to fall apart

He was like 90+ or something, I just met him because his farmlands were full of 9mm Walther pistols n shit.

(2/2)
>they also alienate the anti-Bolshevik peasantry by refusing to commit to land reform
>meanwhile you also have Makhno and his anarchists fucking around in the Ukraine and making everything more difficult for everyone by fighting EVERYONE ELSE
>reds try to introduce sweeping social changes in the middle of a war, which would probably have doomed them had the whites not been so useless
>the whole world is freaking out because the Bolsheviks have openly stated that their goal is to foment worldwide revolution
>but they don't freak out enough to do anything to really help the whites
>Britain and France and the US send 'peacekeeping troops' which lend some aid to the anti-Bolsheviks (or in a few odd instances, to the Bolsheviks)
>red discipline wins the day
>White General Yudenich is defeated outside Petersburg
>Kolchak in Siberia is betrayed by his soldiers and shot
>the last white armies in the Ukraine evacuate by sea in 1920
>reds rule a shattered country filled with starvation and discontended insurrectionaries still fighting the bolsheviks
>while they still try to autistically spark the world revolution

>1937
>be fascist
>get shot
>be communist
>get shot
>be socialist
>get shot
>be anarchist
>get shot by your own side
>be conservative
>get shot
>be liberal
>get shot
>be apolitical
>get shot
>be Spanish
>get shot

spain

>Russian society is heaviliy divided
>millions of serfs without land
>millions of workers, Russia was like a 5th biggest industrial power at the time
>meanwhile literal mediavel steppe nomads in central Asians
>Caucausians in the Kavkaz
>Jews
>FINNS!
>They still had the old land based aristocracy but they had a rich liberal industry based liberal elite
>it's like Austria-Hungary tier mess but on steroids
>it's basically kept together by the authority of the Tsar
>Russia is full of radical terrorist organisations
>between 1860-1910 circa 10 000 Russian officals were murdered by terrorists
>WW1 happens
>1916
>Russia gathers its all strenght like some anime main characther to vanquis the Central Powers
>Their attack is effective, but not lethal
>They are out of resources
>moral is low
>people are hungry
>strikes began
>1917 februar
>It's actually march
>Womyn march
>it turns into a huge protest
>They oust the tsar
>They are republic now
>some people are pretty pissed of because it
>Russia is basically over, the state ceases to exist and power falls to local people
>Despite this they mount an offensive agaisnt the Germans
>it's a spectacular failure
>Germans allow Lenin to return Russia, but first he goes to Finland, because why not.
>In Petrograd it's basically the Republicans and commies who have any power
>le october revolution
>it's actually november
>commies take Petrograd
>Now the civil war really kicks in
>Every nation with every nation and political ideology has it's own army
>Poles, Finns, Balts, Hohols start their independence movements
>youtube.com/watch?v=HBA0xDHZjko
>Tsarist officers rally their troops and attack from all sides
>it's basically a huge battle royal with Commies, Tsarists, Poles, Finns, Mongols, Hohols, Anarchists, Czechslovak deserters, American, Japanese, French and Brits
>Commies are in central postion they take everybody one by one or make peace with them
It's lot more complex and this is just a basic green text.

fucking based

Thank you anons

based? he was a peak of russian-german autism.

Not true, our government was pro-Menshevik and celebrated when the monarchy was abolished.

sternberg was literally insane and thought he was ghenghis khan or some shit

Hes kinda right since communists get their name from the Commune of Paris

no they don't

the communist manifesto was twenty five years before the commune

Ok im just a complete fucking idiot, should check some stuff instead of just repeating them
Still arguably the first attempt at its application

So this is the full-fledged might of French “education”

>favourite faction
Us and Estonia
>was lenin right
No, but all in all it's a good thing the revolution happened IMO for mostly indirect reasons.