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I am actually trapped inside my head sometimes because I strike up interesting conversations with myself.

They probably have aphantasia too. Literally real life NPCs

>I am "smart"
>can't string together a single sentence that makes sense

Most people are so base and bland they can be considered NPC regardless of handicaps not being present.

Do you have brain problems?

I literally have entire dialogues arguing with myself when I'm alone. Out loud sometimes.

Sortof similar to like,

>I should go shopping today for lasagna
>actually no that's like $20 and I just spent $35 on beer yesterday
>But... lasagna dog c'mon that shit is lit
>Nononono I can't
>But... lasagna....
>Well, Oh! I'll get Perogies and sour cream. ?That's delicious and cheap win-win

Have had multiple people tell me that it's kindof crazy I do that.

Sorry, that's mostly because I'm talking about stuff I'm not really into and gets me really anxious for no reason.
What I meant is that I cannot perceive any thought going through my head, not while talking/doing things and not while trying to remember things... If I was angry I wouldn't know it because I don't remember what went through my head.
But I had a concussion when I was 12 so that might explain why it's like that since I don't remember much prior to the concussion.

How can you even live without thought processing and selft reflection? How do normies even deal with their shit or solve problems? Sounds biologically impossible to me.

are you me bro

Okay, so let's say you read an article with a controversial opinion. If there is no internal dialogue in your head to discuss the topic you are reading, how do you arrive to a conclusion on that topic besides "I agree with that" or "I disagree with that?"

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Does anyone else have discussions in their head? Usually with characters from books I have read recently.

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Is this new meme legit?

no I'm Intbro

>internal dialogue in your head to discuss the topic you are reading

sounds like schizophrenia

Are you a dog?

some people just live like animals, all they care about is eating, shitting, fucking and sleeping

I find it really amusing because it's taken something I've been preoccupied thinking about for years, and turned it into a shitty wojak. "What do normals think about" is a very interesting question to me. I've met a few people so disgustingly normal that I can see how they'd never have to think about anything, because everything just goes their way. If reacting to triggers is getting you through life, there is no need to think at a higher level.

I have no internal dialog inside my head.
I usually don't have any opinion about stuff I'm not interested otimme invested in and unless someone asks for my opinion, if someone does ask for it I'll probably ask "about what" or re read the article.
I mean I am probably capable of thinking but I'm usually not at all or not aware of it.

>everything just goes their way.
that's not the norm, it's normal to have some ups and downs. For example it's normal to be depressed at least once in your life, but normals bounce back instead of letting it define their whole existence

Why do you guys act like having conversations inside your head is the only way to think complex thoughts? You take it for granted and are unable to comprehend other ways of thinking.

Yes. I do this and do character voices / impressions.

tfw my whole life is based on inner speech

Are you a permachild that needs constant vocalization the way a toddler needs training wheels to ride a bike?

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It's actually some of the most basic human behavior.

Im not the one so daft he thinks subconscious thoughts surfacing into his simple mind is "abstract thinking"

It would definitely explain why most people seem to be slow as fuck, for example

the reason normies don't conduct inner speech is simply because they don't have the time to do so. Normies spend 90% of their time interracting with other people, and the 10% they do shit that doesn't require any type of thinking

incels on the other end are alone most of the time so at some point they start talking to themselves

Please, retard. Savants, mnemonists and other high achieving idividuals use visualization, while narrative based thinking is the common staple.

Your claim about "abstractness" separate from these forms just shows you have no conscious oversight over the process. It just bubbles up into your consciousness readymade. Baboon-tier.

What do you call people who are so successful in life they have literally zero difficulties, yet also lack the character to be "chads" (who are often quite interesting people with turbulent pasts)?

I do have an inner voice in Hungarian. Not in English though.

When I was living in America, I started to forget my native language, so I kept switching to thinking in English unconsciously. And one day when I was walking to work, I noticed how fucking quiet it is. I couldn't place what was wrong. But then I realized, it's me. I couldn't hear my thoughts anymore.

They were still there, just...different. Probably in English it takes a lot more effort to construct a coherent, grammatically sentence for foreigners? So I started thinking in pictures and concepts.
When I finally came back home and started thinking in Hungarian again, my inner voice "returned". But I guess it was never really gone in the first place.

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I don't talk to myself, I can sit alone on the side in a family meeting or something and I'll just do nothing or do what I can to pass the time but I won't talk with myself.

Let me redirect you to

It's just a garbage study witch doesn't really mean anything which if i remember correctly actually was only tested on 30 people. It only gets posted because it makes retards feel special.
Almost everyone is capable of this and you can actually see normies, no matter how dumb talk about it all the time.

I can redirect you as well

to a zoo

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What if you took one of these normals and separated them from all human interaction for a day. Nothing but their own thoughts. What would happen?

They just "think" music. I do it too and i am sure other posters are the same. Music is a very good brain filler when you are tired or just have nothing to think about in that moment. It's just they have nothing else on top of it.

media likes it because it's bombastic
Jow Forums likes it because it lets them say that whichever group they don't like is incapable of thought

>he thinks in words
Humans existed on this earth for like 100 000 years in their present form before they even thought about talking to each other. Why in the fuck would you need to use words for thinking or any kind of planning when all of it can be done in the abstract?
First you have to learn the words, then give meaning to them in the abstract. Why is it so incomprehensible when someone simply skips the unnessecary step of speaking dialogue while thinking? Are you not capable of abstract thought?
I almost never think in words and even when I type or speak, the word part comes out like a split second before I actually say anything, yet I have the framework of what I want to say already prepared in my mind. I just have to add the labels to it so others can understand it too.
It's really difficult to talk about this since it's something that I can't really explain with words, since telling you that I'm thinking in pictures, locations, fleeting sensations and smell isn't exactly helpful and not even a really accurate description of what's happening. You either get it intuitively or you don't.
In school I ran in to all kinds of problems with teachers when I said that I have never really had an inner speaking monologue. They either said that I'm confused or that I can't recognize the speech because it's a given and happening all the time, but belive me when I say that the chatter that goes on in my head when I actually think in words is really distinct and it's absolutle retarded to me if someone says I wouldn't recognize it.
Explaining this to you people seems just as futile as trying to explain colors to someone who has been colorblind all their life.

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My brother needs other people 24/7 and has rough time being alone. It's like torture to him.

I always have discussions in my head about what I saw or read on the internet, and it always feels like a heated argument, which in a way feels destructive to my own mind.

congratulations you are a NPC

Having internal dialogue isn't fucking normal you retards. This is why people socialise, so they can form opinions via external dialogue. I have NOT had any discussions in my head ever. I don't know what I think about things until I discuss them but my brain forms opinions in the meantime. If I read a book I usually go for a run or go swimming or something to remove stimulus so my brain can process the book but I can't hear any dialogue in the conscious mind. then when the discussion of the books arrives I find full opinions emerging. If I read a book then straight away do something else I find that influences my opinion, for example if I read about immigraiton then do some drawing I will have the opinion that immigration is OK if we import artists.

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lol what a looser

>or example if I read about immigraiton then do some drawing I will have the opinion that immigration is OK if we import artists.

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whoa lad I'm not reading all that

Switching subjects a bit, anybody know of rare or neato diagnosable Psychological illnesses? Anybody (please don't LARP it's cringy) actually have diagnosed mental illnesses?

Here's a neat one, prosopagnosia, a condition where you have a complete inability to render people's faces.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

Narratives are good for long cause and effect stories because words are high capacity and low processing power. IMO you ought to use both.

>Humans existed on this earth for like 100 000 years in their present form before they even thought about talking to each other.

Dilettante, 100 000 is the age of modern humans. Meaning we likely spoke even then, considering the anatomical adaptations. Speech is recent, evolutionarily speaking, but it sure beats sign language for capacity and speed. Supposedly this is why Neanthertals, Heidelbergs etc. died out and we didn't. Its socially crucial to homo sapiens.

>tfw the npc that sits in the corner by itself and has no dialog options.

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Psych major here, this is probably my favorite one.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion

If you find this stuff interesting you can read pic related, which is entirely about unique psychological disorders.

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I assume the people that say "no" are dumb cunts that think an inner voice is literally a different person talking to you, like having an angel/devil on your shoulders.

Judging by the number of SJWs, I'm somehow not surprised that many people lack internal critical thinking.

>Narratives are good for long cause and effect stories because words are high capacity and low processing power.
So you cant skip the inner dialogue even if you wanted? I view it as an unnessecary extra step. I have no problem vizualizing how touching a hot stove will burn my finger or how shitty parenting advice can cause problems for generations to come all without words. I would recon that it's actually extremely faster to not use words.
>100 000 is the age of modern humans
I know that you retarded fuck, but evidence of homosapiens have been discovered as far back as 300 000years ago.

I assume that people who don't understand non-vocal thinking are helpless retards who are unable to think actually complex thoughts.

I daydream for hours on end to the point where it interferes with my work and daily chores

Not really, I think in pictures as well. Nothing fancy, just basic geometric shapes to visualize complex problems and data.

>So you cant skip the inner dialogue even if you wanted?

Where did I say that? You're fishing for a snowflake ego trip, buddy.

> I would recon that it's actually extremely faster to not use words.

I doubt you can hold very long strings of images. Like, say, Homer's Iliad which was originally sung from memory.

>I know that you retarded fuck, but evidence of homosapiens have been discovered as far back as 300 000years ago.

But that'd make what you said even dumber? Also source. Anatomically similar humanoids aren't automatically homo sapiens, btw.

Fire = burns is a simple asociation. More elaborared thoughts will ultimatelly require some kind of mental representation, otherwise you're just a dog reacting to basic stimuli.

so NPC is the new "normie"?

literally everybody does this you moron
I bet they tested like deaf people

I do this. I do it outloud if nobody is around.

Oh it's absolutely fascinating stuff. I almost minored in Psych in college. But my major was hard enough as is I didn't wanna go too crazy. Always got As in every Psych class I took.

You probably know already but there's a wealth of interviews of people with various psychological disorders across the net. Even on youtube.
Here's an interview with a Catatonic Schizophrenic. I never knew that Schizophrenia was so broad until I started watching interviews of people with it.

youtube.com/watch?v=IehtMYlOuIk

On an unrelated note, I suspected a coworker of having BPD. Everybody knew she was crazy and generally annoying to be around but I was like, "yooooo no. No. This chick is not annoying she probably has a legitimate diagnosable disorder" so I whipped out the DSM-5 and by god she very easily matched every single one of the symptoms. I talked with her to maybe consider speaking to her health professional about something called, Borderline Personality Disorder. Don't know if she did but I'd be curious to hear what came of that. How do you even medicate that shit. Fucking around with mood stabilizers?

>literally everybody does this you moron
Apparently not.

I think in English. It's actually easier because you don't need whole sentences to describe concepts that English has single words for.

Who did they test? Deaf-mute people? Literal retards?

How would you try to represent the idea of baryonic asymetry without using language?

>Where did I day that? You're fishing for a snowflake ego trip buddy.
Says the one who is trying to tell others what is REALLY happening inside their head while rejecting the anecdotes of others. You also didn't deny it.
>I doublt you can hold bery long strings of images.
It's not about images you dumbass. Why would you assume that?
>But that'd make what you said even dumber?
Why? are you saying that humans were really stupid when they could survive in the wilderness for generations?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens

What did you say to yourself when you looked at this image?

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It seems that you stopped reading at the hot stove part.
>More elaborared thoughts will ultimatelly require some kind of mental representation
Why would that be nessecary?
The only argument you guys seem to have is "it's just the way it is"

Not speaking about this "study" that's been posted on Jow Forums I know nothing about that, but I honestly have been called crazy multiple times throughout my life when people find out that I talk to myself when alone.

I don't do that but I'm not a normie am I a broken NPC?

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This isn't about talking to yourself. It's about having a simulated voice in your head narrating your thoughts.

>people who don't have inner thought
What even goes through their heads all day long? Nothing? How do you go along without thinking?

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You are Jewish (Christ killer) and therefore don't have a soul. It's nothing to worry about. It actually seems to give your people a competitive edge in business and politics.

>how would you explain something to me with words without using words?
Why don't you just take a look inside my head? That would probably be the easiest way for you to find it out. Of course I need words to explain things you mong, that is how humans communicate, but I sure as fuck don't need words for thinking complex things.

I can not think about anything as long as I want

Narrating? Like having a narrator, a separate entity, is the one speaking in your brain?

Because my voice in my head isn't any different from my spoken voice really. Usually clearer, because social anxiety can fuck up what I say, but otherwise my magical in-head voice is no different for all private intents and purposes.

"lol I'm so intellgent... wait, if reading this made me think this immediatly It probably means that rather I'm very egocentric. I might not be that intelligent after all... lol I'm so humble!"

O-Oh that might explain why my eyes are practically black and not even brown.
Yes nothing goes through my head and my actions seem like impulses with something behind them that I can't explain.

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Words help a lot when tying very complex patterns together because human short term memory is actually very limited. It's sort of like using memory pointers instead of lugging the actual values around.

>speaking inside your head is the only way to think

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A toy monkey hitting two cymbals together.

No, you "yourself" narrating your thoughts. Though if you actually sit down and focus on it you will find it's not really under your control. You can make it shut up or refocus but it's in this weird space between input information and conscious decision.

Not explaining it to me, how would you understand the concept yourself. Do you visualize it? That doesn't work for abstract concepts. I'm starting to think you simply lack the mental capability to explain yourself and are using the "no you can't understand" thing as an excuse.

>Says the one who is trying to tell others what is REALLY happening inside their head while rejecting the anecdotes of others.
I have read anecdotes from scientists exploring the subject and cases of various savants and other extreme cases that shed light on what can happen in a mind and how it affets performance. Your anecdotes are one sided from someone incapable of dialogue.

>You also didn't deny it.

If my position is "you should do both" then I'd assume its self-explanatory. I had hyperphantasia as a kid and I train academic drawing. I can construct completely novel moving imagery in my head.

>It's not about images you dumbass. Why would you assume that?

Oh so now we nitpick the terminology.

>Why?

Because it sets the origin of language even further back, making your kvetching about how its recent even more irrelevant.

>w/o looking at the flag

"I bet its some kind of anglophone poster, like an aussie, trying to get a rise out of the anal retentive brainlets itt".

>Words help a lot when tying very complex patterns together
>complex patterns
Now you are speaking my language! but I also don't think that words help with this at all.
>lugging the actual values around
This is literally what I'm doing. It's a lot easier to have the structures of these inside your head and only labelling them when you actually need to speak about them.
You do not need words for thinking.

People that need concrete/semi-concrete representations to process their own thoughts are inherently limited. You seriously can't even access your own stream of consciousness without encoding it into easily digestible vocabulary? Words are for communicating with the outside world, not your own brain.

I was going to mock this, but then I realised that it must be nice to not put yourself down all the time and not over-think and analyse all the stupid shit you do all the time. That must be where all their self-confidence comes.

Not him but you just sorta feel it. I don't vocalize spatial/mathematical patterns that I understand well, either. You just map some one set of things to an imaginary visualization/other sensory association with another set of output things. It's kinda like throwing a basketball. You visualize where you want the ball to go and then you kinda feel which motor neurons you need to fire to get that ball there.

Binding concepts to words is only really necessary in language processing tasks - which includes learning new complex patterns from spoken or written text.

>Do you visualize it?
Put simply: yes. Does this satisfy you?

I think it has a different connotation. Normie just implies any person with moderate social skills, whereas NPC is more derogatory in that it implies that said person basically isn’t a person at all and simply a predetermined landmark on the hero’s journey; though that’s to say that anyone here is actually a hero, much less a protagonist, which they clearly fucking aren’t.