Political Scales

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Pretty accurate in my opinion. Basically an evil racist bigot Nazi.

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Maybe not a huge surprise from a swedish perspective

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I was surprised with these results because I voted for austerity against economic populism, and I'm pretty much in favour of rule by liberal elites instead of socialists. I guess the USA is really a different world.

Online tests tend to be broken, I am very conservative socially and monarchist but they show me as being center-left because "muh welfare"

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MITT ROMNEY IT IS!! Jk I wouldn't vote for any of these loser memelords if you paid me.

>Joe Biden tagged with """"Socialism"""""
Wtffff ahhahahahahah

>Should the President be able to authorize military force against Al-Qaeda without Congressional approval?
Soooooo dated oof have they updated this quiz in 20 years?

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>not having all your tests in one folder

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>muh surplus value
lazy fucks

In USA liberalism and socialism is both counted as leftist. That's how far on the right they are.

I'm a "Centrist" I suppose.

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cuck

In America we don't have any real socialists outside of a handful of autistic losers (bless em). They can't be "left" when they are 100% irrelevant.

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you realize ofcourse that we're the opposite of lazy, right?
we want to work and get paid what our labour is worth, without a capitalist parasite profiting from our work, like the lazy fucks they are.
but your knee jerk reaction to communism with "lazy fucks" just proves that you're either retarded or indoctrinated so I don't know why I even bother.

Pretty much what I expected

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>lazy fucks
is what you should say to your capitalist rulers.

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Based and Centrism pill

Don't even know what a surplus value is, sorry Jose.

You know you can always make your own job, right? You don't need to work for someone else. Bingo boingo now you are paid what your labor is worth.

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>you know you can create your own job even though you need to work to do that, right?

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>ou can always make your own job, right? You don't need to work for someone else.
And anyone can move into the woods and hunt moose to survive. That isn't a counterargument against a critique of how society is structured, that private ownership of the means of production is unjust and corrosive.

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Yeah no shit you need to work. That's what "job" means. You can work for a capitalist and receive a wage from him or you can work for yourself and earn the full value of your labor.

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>progress
>uses an inaccurate model of the atom

> anyone can move into the woods and hunt moose to survive.
Lol maybe in Finland.

>That isn't a counterargument against a critique of how society is structured, that private ownership of the means of production is unjust and corrosive.
I am just saying that it is totally optional if you go use their means of production or if you work for yourself and start your own business. Plenty of people already work 100% for themselves, we are in a service-based economy so the "means of production" are nearly irrelevant especially when compared with the 19th century or whatever.

i'm sad because i'm not radical centrist enough

i think he means that he needs capital in order to open his own business and all that shit
but there's a fuckton of people that offer service (house construction, plumbing, technical advicing for example at security assesment) that can be their own bosses and just don't go up in life because they spend it all on booze or cocaine
it's not impossible as this commie says, but it's harder than (You) think

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how can you work for yourself?
if you want to have your own business you literally have to work for somebody else first.
it's rather simple to comprehend, are you legitimately having trouble with this?

guacho, en serio
este albañil es el santo de nuestro barrio, no fuma, no toma (una raridad en su medio), es autodidacta, tiene 3 hijos y una MANSION que él mismo construyó
hay pobreza por tres razones:
1. te cagaron, literalmente te robaron a mano armada
2. sos un mongólico que no sabe usar la plata
3. los mongólicos eran tus viejos, especialmente el padre en general (por lo de "sociedad machista patrilineal")
se puede y se debe progresar en la vida, el que es pobre e inteligente/lindo deja de ser pobre enseguida, el universo entero lo ayuda
el que es rico y burro, no obstante, se va al mazo, y Estados Unidos va a ser la prueba

>i think he means that he needs capital in order to open his own business and all that shit
He doesn't. He has access to a computer he can start a business.

>but there's a fuckton of people that offer service (house construction, plumbing, technical advicing for example at security assesment) that can be their own bosses
Tutors, nannies/babysitters, housecleaners, hairstylists, dog walkers, freelancers of all stripes. They set their wages and don't need to give anyone else a cut.

>how can you work for yourself? if you want to have your own business you literally have to work for somebody else first.
No you don't. Most people's FIRST jobs are self-employed, like doing yardwork, babysitting children, tutoring, etc. Set your own wages and collect them 100%. No "capitalist" needed.

Later on you can earn enough money to get more rare and in demand skills (perhaps buy a license if its applicable) and sell those. If you work for someone else its because you want to work for them, probably because you work better as a cog than you do as a leader.

>Tutors, nannies/babysitters, housecleaners, hairstylists, dog walkers, freelancers of all stripes
and that's the start obviously. you saying it yourself
>Later on you can earn enough money to get more rare and in demand skills (perhaps buy a license if its applicable) and sell those

instead of fighting the system, we all should SCAM the system. it's a game and the (street) smart people can win it

con vos no hablo más, sos un discapacitado mental.

ah yes, how could I forget that people fund their studies with money they made mowing lawns, such a profitable business.
you're right.

ez tests

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>con vos no hablo más
me das una tristeza infinita
y tus viejos también. pobres
te lo digo de corazón, pero vos no querés ver

no entendés ni los conceptos mas basicos, usas evidencia anecdotica para explicar cosas, anecdotas que ni siquiera explican en verdad porque el albañil de alguna manera tuvo que conseguir la experiencia, no nació albañil, trabajó para alguien, asi que ni estas historias fantasmas que contás aplican a tu argumento.
pero tenés razon, el que da pena soy yo.

>how could I forget that people fund their studies with money they made mowing lawns, such a profitable business
Your fellow Latinos raise whole families doing yardwork and cleaning houses. You aren't going to fund a degree flipping burgers for a franchise owner either, so which would you pick? If you have zero skills you are a low-wage worker regardless if you are self-employed or if you are working for a capitalist. That's because your labor not worth much to begin with. That said I do know yard worker make better wages than the burger flipper so get going.

Now you're bitching for "free" job training, something I don't disagree with. But that's not the same thing as "oh noo capitalists means I can't get the full value of my labor!" You aren't living in 19th century Europe and in fact you never were.

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I wouldn't call myself a socialist.

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>anecdotas que ni siquiera explican en verdad
ah vos querés saber el método?
querés que te cuente su secreto que no es secreto?

I never said anything about free anything.
you can't have a proper life without working for somebody else.
if you seriously think that mowing lawns is a proper job to mantain a family then you're legitimately retarded.
the worker is obligated to work for somebody else.

>you can't have a proper life without working for somebody else.
But that's a lie, as I wrote. You then tried to change it over to "get a degree".

Zero skill worker (aka the average Zoomer idiot bitching online), can:
-Work for himself, in childcare, yardwork, house cleaning, tutoring, etc. (Average yardworker wage $12/hr)
-Work for someone else, in retail, fast food, etc. and cry about how capitalists are keeping you down (Average burgerflipper wage, $9/hr)

Neither one can afford an American degree, thats why most people take out loans. Sometimes they are able to gain skills which can allow them to pay off these loans in a timely fashion, sometimes they don't and still have zero skills and go right back to flipping burgers.

But in NO universe do you "have to work for someone else". Never.

>owing lawns is a proper job to mantain a family
People literally raise families on yardwork, housecleaning, and childcare. All the time. Do you think you'll do a better job raising a family flipping burgers?

>the worker is obligated to work for somebody else
and the mother is obligated to take care of their children
since when being a worker is bad??????
ah yeah "but the business owners"
their job is to get stressed. being a manager and dealing with other humans' shit is not for the weak
dunno if it's worth all the cash they earn, but they certainly earn it. they ARE working and you don't see it

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On 8values i always get either autocracy or fascism

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>But that's a lie, as I wrote. You then tried to change it over to "get a degree".
no I didn't, you said they can use that money "to get more rare and in demand skills"
stop being retarded.
if yardwork was so profitable and in high demand, people wouldn't have to go work for somebody else, but they do.

para empezar no tienen porque trabajar, pueden contratar un gerente y a la mierda, de hecho es lo que casi siempre hacen.
el dueño de los medios de producción que trabaj en su empresa, sigue sacando ganancia del trabajo de sus empleados, no importa cuanto trabaje, mientras cada empleado le genere ganancia, esta ganando plata sin trabajar, plata generada por los trabajadores.
ultima respuesta que te doy, bobo.

>pueden contratar un gerente y a la mierda
el que hace eso termina cagado. por lo tanto es un boludo y termina pobre
>el dueño de los medios de producción que trabaja en su empresa
ah entonces admitís que trabaja
>sigue sacando ganancia del trabajo de sus empleados, no importa cuanto trabaje, mientras cada empleado le genere ganancia esta ganando plata sin trabajar
pero acabás de decir que "trabaja en su empresa"
y trabaja manejando humanos y plata. porque la plata es suya de ALGUN modo (herencia o porque amplió su negocio, no falta el que robó también)
ahora vamos al que "amplió su negocio". cómo lo hizo? tan bien hizo o su producto o su trabajo de calle (marketing etc.) que recibió más y más demanda. hacer las cosas solo, ponele plantar y cosechar manzanas, no es suficiente mano de obra para tanta demanda entonces les paga a otros para ayudarle a captar manzanas, mientras va comprando semillas y implementos agrarios para tener maaaas manzanas
pero pobreciiitos esos captadores de manzanas que trabajan para el dueño del campo verdad? NO. porque LA IDEA es que usen su salario para tener sus propios campos y plantar OTRA cosa necesaria, o para armar una cooperativa y vender manzanas juntos como asociados
ALGUNOS hacen eso. OTROS lo tiran en moto, lavarropas, ropa Lacoste, alcohol y/o drogas. y si vos no querés reconocer esto sos más ciego de lo que pensé
>plata generada por los trabajadores
que reciben parte de esa plata
vos creés que los salarios nacen de la nada, por decreto presidencial?
vos podés decir "esa plata no es suficiente" y ahí no te discuto, pero esa plata existe y está dada en nivel a su servicio prestado

your work has the value for wich you sold it

>no I didn't, you said they can use that money "to get more rare and in demand skills"
Yeah as in, get some certifications and take some courses, not as in get a 4 yr degree. You think all skills come from degrees? You'd be wrong.

>people wouldn't have to go work for somebody else, but they do.
People choose to work for other people because working for yourself is hard, and doing some easily fulfilled duties by someone who tells you when to show up and when to clock out and exactly what to do while you are there is easy. There's a huge difficulty curve between being a burger flipper getting your wage for a capitalist, and being your own boss and running your own food truck and serving burgers directly.

yes and you have to know how to sell it
you can be "the top cleaning agent in town" and have high demand and be well paid, or you can be a fucking janitor with a lowly wage
>that's working for others
i wonder what the heck this kid thinks businesspeople actually do. they don't print money, they SELL stuff to others. if that's not "work for others" i don't know what it is
everybody is offering customers something. everybody is doing something the customer doesn't want to do by himself, but has cash in order to make the service/goods seller give it to him. it's economics 101

you're the one that mentioned degrees, mong.
I'm not denying that the owners of the means of production might put work into their business, managing it or whatever, I'm saying that this owner takes mone generated by the labour of his employees, which is a fact.
he can manage all he wants, that doesn't give him the right of profiting without working because he can have other people work for him, that's theft.

literally wrong, otherwise the owner of the means of production wouldn't hire people since he'd end up even in monetary terms and there'd be no point in hiring people, he's paying his workers less than the value of their labour.

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And having him in the equation at all is totally optional. Regardless fo your skill level you can still earn money working for yourself vs. for a boss.

>the owner of the means of production wouldn't hire people
ah pero sos boludo con ganas
me das pena nene
>he's paying his workers less than the value of their labour
because of their rank
IF those workers were also associates then they'd earn more
but in your FANTASY SYSTEM everyone is paid the same "because of their human value". guess what happens in real life:
- party leaders earn more than everyone
- smugglers and trafficants earn more than everyone because they aren't bound by the laws of that system
- the poor remain poor no matter how much work they've done, then why bother working at all?

hmm

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you are a mean of production

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this is a fantasy, you always have to work for somebody else, this is a fact.
you can believe that everyone can mow lawns for a living al you want m8
and even if it were true, that doesn't mean capitalism is a good system, it should still be abolished.

no, you're a person.

Pretty lame test. And my top 3 should be Elizabeth, then Biden, the Bernie. The rest are shit.

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>this is a fantasy, you always have to work for somebody else, this is a fact.
lol no its not.

>you can believe that everyone can mow lawns for a living al you want m8
People already do and its not your only option. Almost any skill you can sell to a boss you can also sell directly to the public, dumbass.

*then Bernie

>People already do
they don't do it forever though, and that's the beauty of the system
imagine living in a country where you mow laws FOR LIFE because the government said so

>People already do and its not your only option. Almost any skill you can sell to a boss you can also sell directly to the public, dumbass.
wrong
but anyway, this somehow means that capitalism isn't a shit system that allows the owners of the means of production to steal from their employees?
lmao

is oprah actually gonna be in the next election lmao

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Survey had a lot of typos and grammatical errors, damaging my brain by at least 1 IQ point over those 100+ statements

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>You know you can always make your own job, right?
*tries to create new internet service provider*

"Sorry sir, Verizon has entered an agreement with our township for underground cable rights. You cannot bury new cable here."

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>no, you're a person.
both aren't mutually exclusive

Rate me

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Peroncho detected

ojalá fuera peroncho, es pior

Kill yourselves.

yes they are, a person is not means of production.

si leyendo esos comentarios te parece que soy peronista sos un ignorante de mierda.

no trates de razonar con un argentino. Mira que cada generación se vuelve mas boluda

sos un pelotudo que es peor

>el socialismo es una ideologia argentina

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te dije que era pior

sí, mala mía pero es que me da tanta pena :-( lo quiero salvar

what's up with all the homosexuality related questions
since when mentally disabled people became part of politics

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>Centrists

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Ese no es el problema bobito, el problema es que mezclas ideologias y terminas con peoltudeces. Así estamos, con pseudo zurdos socialistas capitalistas.

>Ordr
>punitive "justice"
>essentialism
Fuck off bootlicker

eh? que mezclo? que carajo estás flasheando bobo?

>what's up with all the homosexuality related questions
It detected that you are Russian and modified the quiz accordingly

that internationalist stat is highly uncomfortable, my friend

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Nationalism (like racism) is unironically a tool of the global rich to keep the proletariat divided

I like how you gave him shit for but didn't give me shit for almost the exact same outcome