Poland seeks 'Fort Trump' US military base

Polish president Andrzej Duda has asked US president Donald Trump to create an American military base in Poland called "Fort Trump". Trump told him in Washington Tuesday "we're looking at it very seriously" and said Russia had "acted aggressively" in the region. Trump also said he would help Poland stop a Russian gas pipeline to Germany, Nord Stream 2, and consider a visa waiver for Polish visitors to the US.

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fuck Russia - the eternal enemy of freedom and Poland

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>Going full client state that hard

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I don’t know why Europeans are so surprised Poland is doing what is best for Poland. Europeans haven’t exactly been the most reliable allies or kindest of people.

Integrated puppet ?

Lol, the polish are smart. Appealing to Trump's narcissism to get a base is a really good idea in this age of mushroom-shaped penises

cringe

Maybe I read it completely wrong but it looks to be something that is going to cost Polish tax payers two billion dollars (USD, I suppose).

You could have been a brown Germany, Korea or Japan. Now look at you.

Yeah the EU has kind of been shitting on Poland.
We generally pay for bases and an annual payment to the government. They just approve us getting a peice of land for the base. When we leave they have a functioning base like Athens now airport.

I think EU should kick out Poland from their circle and let Russia preys on them otherwise they will trigger WW3 again.

Because EU is such a military juggernaut, right? Commie brainlet, NATO is the only thing keeping Russia from organically expanding into Central Europe as Germany and countries South and West of it aren't interested in stopping threats before they're breathing directly down their assholes. This is how Nazi Germany was allowed to militarize by France and UK, so we already know how it goes.

Somehow, Trump saying "Poland will pay us more than two billion USD" seems like just an attempt to defuse opposition controversy about spending more on military assets abroad.

>as Germany
As soon as we create a real military, every will start crying and the poles will be the loudest.

It might be true or false. Either way the total expenditure will make it look like a drop in the bucket. Freedom ain't free etc. Usually bases are a source of revenue over time.

your cunt is used as a trigger of WW2, relentlessly provoked Germany and bullied Germans in your land. I believe that you guys will do it againt to Russia.

I don't know about geopolitics, but any community would be happy to have the extra income a military base provides.

You mean a drop in the bucket for the US, and source of revenue for Poland right ?

Russia should just be left alone. America keeps trying to encroach on their position and nullify their defenses and then cries about Russia being hostile. Just leave them be.

As soon as you create military will be 15+ years from now because this is how long most development programs work.

And actually your military output is no positive, considering your symbiotic relation to Russia. More than Likely you'd feed most of Eastern Europe to FR if they play ball with you, allowing access to their markets, selling energy resources on the cheap and helping push US out so you can play empire.

So to recap, Russia has a lot more military junk than us and an offensive nuclear doctrine, were surrounded by one big ally of Russia ( still weaker than it and disarmed) and a bunch of nations that will never help us (can you imagine Italians of French hauling ass to die for someone else? Me neither). Were left with either partnering with the US and getting bases like Germany or getting btfo. A bunch of proglodite subretards cry about it because muh drumpf, muh two scoops. Muh imaginary UUSR.

Just look at Germany, they're farming GI Joes for fat shekels and pretend they don't like it.

Germans are actually very scummy and dishonest from what I've heard

It's absolutely true.

Pooland can't article 50 soon enough.

>And seeing how it's mostly blacks and spics in the army Poland will soon be mutted.
It's almost as if you just spew bullshit.

All minorities in the army aren't even 50%

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/13/6-facts-about-the-u-s-military-and-its-changing-demographics/

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Aren’t they going totalitarian and making everything in the EU a bit more difficult?

>Russia should just be left alone. America keeps trying to encroach on their position and nullify their defenses and then cries about Russia being hostile. Just leave them be.
That policy worked well for Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Meanwhile the Balts are fine besides having a minority of bydlos.

Is it true they also smell?

Not really, as far as I know. But I try not to get too close to them.

They say northern women only bathe once in a blue moon

Pretty much all Europeans smell like B.O they don't bathe as much

you mother didnt seem to think so.

>Aren’t they going totalitarian
Only if you listen to their former party and their death camp law. They are also hunting down people who stole money and they rearranged their courts judges so it functions more like the American system.
> and making everything in the EU a bit more difficult?
They and other countries don't want to take migrants and now the EU is trying them and Hungary.

Lame

Nope. First of all EU is a bunch of unelected commissars ruling you and a parliament that doesn't make law, just rubber stamps it.

Secondly nothing is "made hard" on the union, its unaffected.

Thirdly all we did is change the way constitutional judges are elected. Now they aren't a self-electing, postcommie agent saturated mafia and are appointed to an elected branch of the government which is required to even qualify for montesquian separation of power. That is all power has to ultimately come from the electorate, even if indirectly. Because the previous German-funded government and allied special interest groups didn't like the change as well as undoing the scam they were running (stealing the future judge picks form the newly elected government) they went to mutti Merkel so she could be worried about muh democracy in Polan'.

ofc you don't care about any of that, more than likely you're one of the scrupulousness amoral commies on this board who think reality is a social construct, so you'll just disregard it.

your mother didnt think that either.

What if his mother is German??

You also forgot the part where under the former government you ended up with the most expensive highways in Europe.

@Germans making jokes

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Lame

My mom never left the country

How is he going to stop a legal pipeline? Furthermore why?

If they had balls, they would leave the EU and do whatever they want, like the brits.
But they need the EU for their siege mentality.

>mfw we even lost honor
there's nothing left in pooland

ty i honor

spierdalaj ssać kutasy do zaułka z kloszardami

Why not just leave the EU then?
Seems like it’s a bad thing for you
I kinda agree, for the kind of complains they give it’s the best course of action for them

> the ABSOLUTE state of poland
haha oh wow

>constitutional judges elected by the gorverment

Fucking lmao

>Nobody is guilty in conflicts around Russia except Russia

>How is he going to stop a legal pipeline? Furthermore why?
By building something yuge in the way.

>Why not just leave the EU then?

Because until recently Poles were pro EU. EU as in the actual thing, not being Germany's colony and taking orders from it beyond what the treaties demand while disregarding other treaties, like the Dublin ones which determine who's a refugee.

There is no way of telling whats the popular attitude now until a broad study is done again.

>Seems like it’s a bad thing for you

Only thanks to the likes of you and mutti makrela. The currently reigning government of Poland is so pro EU it even called for an European Army. Ofc decaded w*Stoids would never actually pay for EU's security. They sit on the coast, away from threats and busy themselves with shoving black dicks up their asses.

Meanwhile Italian government... why don't you leave, Guido? Seems like it is bad for you more so than us.

>create an American military base
>Trump also said he would help Poland stop a Russian gas pipeline to Germany, Nord Stream 2, and consider a visa waiver for Polish visitors to the US.
But it's a pretty even trade?

The military base benefits us because we can't depend on Germany to be the first line of defense of Europe like in old Cold War days, plus it doesn't make sense in the current context of NATO since many Eastern European countries have joined both NATO and the EU since 1990. Poland benefits from a base as well due to injecting some extra money into the local economy (of wherever it's built), stimulating it. And considering Poland primarily is a wide open plain, if war were to ever break out it would benefit tremendously from having immediate defenders stationed nearby.

Both Poland and the USA would prefer a non-Russian energy source for Europe (so not Nordstream, not South Stream). In Poland's case, it's a situation of keeping Russia weak. In the USA's case, we have excess energy to sell. But in this situation, Poland really doesn't care where the energy comes from so long as it isn't Russia.

Lastly, visa waiver is something Poland has wanted for a long time (and so has my state, Illinois), but it was never granted. It might mildly benefit the USA if the visitors are good people not looking to cheat work visas or anything like that while on a visit visa, but I don't know the statistics of how often those are abused.

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>geopolitics and honor

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>Nobody is guilty in conflicts around Russia except Russia
Nobody else stationed troops in Russia, annexed peices of Russia or support a rebellion in Russia where most of the rebels aren't from Russia. It's not the conflicy it's what happened after. Also, Ukraine was literally Russia chimping out over the removal of their puppet who wouldn't sign a trade deal between EU and Ukraine. That's a pretty weak reason.

Why the fuck you even decide wether Germany and Russia should build a pipeline between themselves or not?

>Lastly, visa waiver is something Poland has wanted for a long time (and so has my state, Illinois), but it was never granted. It might mildly benefit the USA if the visitors are good people not looking to cheat work visas or anything like that while on a visit visa, but I don't know the statistics of how often those are abused.
so what you're saying is that poland isn't a shithole country?

>Only thanks to the likes of you and mutti makrela.
>Meanwhile Italian government... why don't you leave, Guido? Seems like it is bad for you more so than us.
He's Mexican. How much have you had to drink?

Lol
Poland will pay to build a military base for Yankees.
Such a shame

not very likely
most of your population opposes it anyway

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You are just ignorant of the local situation. All kinds of warlords and oligarchs in countries like Ukraine and Georgia just use us as an excuse to genocide some minorities (like ossetians or abkhazians who probably don't even exist for you) or solve some other their problems cause they know it would fit your media environment based on comics about cold war so well

>Trump also said he would help Poland stop a Russian gas pipeline to Germany
What are international waters? Also make your gas cheaper if you want us to buy it, you absolute dicks.

>and so has my state, Illinois
Probably because the Chicago area is full of Poles.

>We generally pay for bases
Wrong, you make host countries pay for them.

>When we leave
You never do.

Because our sanctions are going to choke your country to death until you return Ukraine's territory to Ukraine and stop acting like a rogue state.

It's not rocket science

Oh shit. lol My screen resolution is so big the flags are rice-sized. Need to ctrl+ again.

>You are just ignorant of the local situation. All kinds of warlords and oligarchs in countries like Ukraine and Georgia just use us as an excuse to genocide some minorities (like ossetians or abkhazians who probably don't even exist for you)
I know what they are and I'd like some proof of this genocide (especially for Ukraine).

Exactly, even though I'm not one of them

Stop propping up a rogue state by buying its energy you dick. It's not about price. Or maybe it is, because Germans are retards who got rid of all their nuclear power plants (i.e. cheap energy) over tsunamis. You know, tsunamis that won't ever hit you.

>subsydiowanie dojnej krowy jaką jest baza US 6 bilionami i być może otwieranie sobie drogi do zbrojenia trójmorza

"buuu!"

>dawanie 600 miliardów za plusie sobie w ryj gudłajom

"Juhu!"

>o tak amerykanski panie
>wez moją ziemie i moje kobiety
polak bedzie tego bronil

>Wrong
we pay rent for bases in england

>You never do.
we've left a number of bases, and always do when formally asked

>You never do.
We left Iraq on time, at the request of the Iraqi government.
Then ISIS took territory from the Iraqi government almost immediately after. Funny how that works when we're not there, huh?

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Go to Abkhazia, ask locals, go to Donetsk, ask locals. I mean I was in Abkhazia several times and my uncle lives in Donetsk.
That's not how it works, more isolation means less and less constraints untill we have nothing to lose and then you will actually see a rogue behavior like they could lift ban of using nukes, or go for suicidal va-bank full WW3. Just saying, you may spit your buzzwords as you want

>pooland doesn't have anything to offer so it offers itself

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ok vanya, you can stop now.

First of all Russia isn't rogue and has ALWAYS reliably supplied gas (because they depend on the income, unlike you fairweather fucks), even in Cold War times.

Secondly, albeit I disagree with the hastiness, ultimately independence from nuclear energy is good for us because it's catastrophically hard to find reliable long term nuclear waste storage. I would've gotten rid of coal power first, but that's just me.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992–1993)

we already have a fucking pipeline to russia. nordstream 2 is exactly what the name implies. a SECOND pipeline to russia. and nuclear power has nothing to do with it. we use russian gas mostly for heating not for energy. also first stop supporting israel and saudi arabia before talking about supporting "rouge states"

yankee go home
why cant we be friends with other slavs

arent you friends with the chzechs though?

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Slavs, is in fact, Wends and Slavs, or as I've recently taken to calling it, masterrace and slavshits. Slavs are not an ethnic group unto itself, but merely a linguistic group made useful by based Wends, a vital group thanks to which Europe exists.

Many Jow Forums users mistake Wends for Slavs every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the Wendish group is often called "Slavs", and many of Jow Forumsolerants are not aware that it is basically the Wends, a Central European masterrace.

There really are Slavs, but Wends are no part of it. Wends are different, much more civilized and stuff. This is essential for you to realize. Slavs often include Wends, but basically it's Slavs with Wends added. All the so called "Western Slavs" are really Wends

>consider a visa waiver for Polish visitors to the US.

Lol, Polish soldiers died in Iraq for this and they still didn't get it.

Develop long wave reactors to utilize waste. Guzzling gas is ridiculous.

>First of all Russia isn't rogue and has ALWAYS reliably supplied gas

You have large storage so you don't know what happened in the past 2 decades whenever Putin got asshurt about something. We didn't build a whole gas terminal to buy from eyerabs just for style points.

>>We generally pay for bases
>Wrong, you make host countries pay for them.
Host countries "pay" by forgoing taxes and customs and that still is only a third of their costs.

washington.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/report-us-paying-billions-more-for-military-bases-overseas-despite-troop-reductions/

politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jul/12/nicholas-burns/do-european-allies-pay-us-25-billion-yearly-keep-t/

>FIrst, 97 percent of the $2.5 billion in NATO support came from what are called indirect costs -- things like rent and foregone taxes and customs duties. Such streams of support are important in evening out the books, but they are not reimbursements for outlays that the United States has made. Rather, they enable the United States to sidestep things they would have otherwise had to pay for, and they are harder to characterize numerically.

>And second, NATO member support covers only about one-third of the U.S. military costs. The U.S. still pays two-thirds of the burden.

>>When we leave
>You never do.
Greece and France don't count? We leave when asked. If your country doesn't ask it's your fucking fault.

On a side note we had already agreed on a nuclear exit in 2000 or so with a left-center government, and then the subsequent right-center government postponed it until the Japan tsunami when it was reinstated. The nuclear exit idea itself was already ten years old at that time.

I forgot that czechs and slovaks existed

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>in the region. Trump also said he would help Poland stop a Russian gas pipeline to Germany, Nord Stream 2

What's up with all these nationalist governments who point out their national sovereignty at every turn feeling entitled in other states internal affaires and national energy interests? If Poland supported a unified European energy policy then NS2 wouldn't be needed. If Poland supported a unified European refugee policy then Germany wouldn't have to unilaterally suspend the Dublin agreement.

Yet the nationalist Polish government has opposed and sabotaged every attempt for more European unification and common approaches and now they hypocritically attempt to meddle in their neighbors internal afdairs.

strasznie są te niemieckie kobity wzięte i straszna kolonia z tych frycuv, cnie?

wypinaj siebie samego rusolom zamiast nas wszystkich, pedale

>Go to Abkhazia, ask locals,
Oh you mean when they killed Georgians got it.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_Abkhazia

>go to Donetsk, ask locals. I mean I was in Abkhazia several times and my uncle lives in Donetsk.
Ahh yes the famous Donetsk genocide where they rounded up and bullied Russians before shooting them. I remember that.

>fort trump
Poles really have no sense of dignity

Oh it's the "Polish" poster who hates Poland.

When will you abolish meat diets as well?