how the fuck did they become muslim?
>mainly chinese and indian influence
>colonized by western christian empires for a really long time
>geographically and culturally far away from the arab world
explain!
How the fuck did they become muslim?
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How did you become Christian? What does an ancient middle eastern Jewish tribal death cult have to do with Northern Europe?
I'm pretty sure they belonged to the Ottomans at one point which would explain it.
How come no one ever talks about muslim colonialism in general?
Christianity got adopted by the Roman Empire and Europe at large, Sweden's part of Europe. It's not too far-fetched
Some rules must have wanted god goy points from some muzzie traders
It goes against the evil western narrative
So you're happy to pull incredibly mental gymnastics to explain away your foreign religion yet act puzzled when a region with a connection to a region neighboring a massive hotbed of Islam happens to spread said religion?
So many Europeans on this board are fucking braindead when it comes to the world outside their little bubble, as bad as the burgers.
because they were able to realise that Islam is the truth and the light which Allah gave us to stave off the darkness of ignorance, mashALLAH.
>explain away your foreign religion
I'm not following you at all, Europe becoming christian follows a pretty straight-forward timeline in my head, while I can't understand how a remote island in the tropics surrounded by mostly Hindu and Buddhist cultures ended up muslims.
I'm aware that I don't know shit about SEA and that's why I ask. Calm down sir
This. The #notallmuslims people seem to always overlook the first couple centuries of Islam's existence of rapid and brutal expansion and only see the muh Islamic Golden Era, muh algebra, muh development before Europe
>mainly chinese and indian influence
that's where you got it wrong. western historian tried to change us into that but it's blatant lie that has been going on forever. never trusts outsider.
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In the league of religions, Christianity and Islam stand on a tier of their own above all else, especially when it comes to converting people.
I think the Monsoon winds make travel between Arabia and SE Asia easy. I think Arab merchants were able to use the winds to spread Islam.
no,only aceh was nominally ottoman vassal at some point, they sent some cannon and artillery crew there which contributed to the aceh sultanate victory against the dutch in the first war
because it isnt, in our case the local adopted the religion on its own and by contact with arab traders, local ruler still run things themselves except with new hip monotheist religion, no armed invasion from the arab heartland. its completely different from european colonialism
this is actually one of the reason .
tldr read about the spice trade route .arab merchant come and goes, do some preaching on the side of earning shekels and the local adopted it
Dutch = clouds
Rain = Islam
Fish = Indonesia
Partially correct, the monsoon winds made traders stay for months while waiting for the right wind so they end up converting and mixing with local rulers.
What? The balkans, the horn of africa, the moghuls, that was all just peaceful conversion? Maybe SEA but surely you are joking
I more amazed by the fact that they are the 4th more populated country in the world and I don't see that many of them here
they all live here
They're too lazy to move
Indonesian redditors hang out at Kaskus
4chen is banned here.
Indonesia is a straight up 3rd world country. A coworker of mine has a house in his ancestral village and he pretty much finances the entire town by sending them some basic money to maintain his house when he isn't around (50 weeks per year).
There isn't even internet or water there.
Trade. Muslim Arab traders gave discounts to fellow Muslims. They literally started converting over money.
it's not a convert or u die thing, the muslims needs non-believer to pay their jizyas, did you think the entire percia and north africa just converted right after the islamic conquest? the conversion happened slowly, mostly because economic incentives of muslims having to pay less tax than the unbeliever. islam wouldnt be a big religion as it is today if they murdered anyone who doesnt convert
hindu attacks us for our gold, even when we're hindu. now all's left are those Balinese, that's a simple how our hindu believe looks like.
buddhist (thai) attacks us for our gold, even when we're buddhist (not chink*id buddhist because buddhist reaches us before it came into china)
this clash of believes then formed into hindu-buddhist era in the archipelago. borobudur is one of the example.
how do we became muslim? persians is the most probably the agent. when you're surrounded by enemies all around, you just need some sort of hope. those arabs came to us in peace and wished for trading spices. it made a huge gold route because arabs wanted to reach china. no one really knows the way of our ocean like the malays do.
it's called paradise on earth and food are abundance because you can eat pretty much anything. water? just catch the rain. planting? there's always the sun all year round. this is probably the downside because innovations are slow to progress.
Some men are born to be slaves.
Those who are succumb.
hi
Jow Forums is banned here and we have shitty censorship laws, you can ask anything if you want
>history is mental gymnastics
Their version of Islam used to be pretty liberal and syncretized with local folk religion. That has changed in the recent decades thanks to Arab influence. The Chinese in the region incorporated an old Malay deity, Datuk Gong, into their folk religion.
Been trading for a really long time, Belitung shipwreck like this dates back to 830. Portugal didn'r arrive until much later and Alberto Barbossa didn't really leave a good impression when he brought Yurop torture methods that horrified locals.
How's crime; is it safe to travel around in Indonesia?
Are wh*tes disliked from the colonial years?
Do you wear hijabs over there?
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t. watched porn and browsed Jow Forums in bali that way
>Europeans
Swedes are autists, not all the Europeans
>How's crime; is it safe to travel around in Indonesia?
Half of the Netherlands does that in their gap year. It's very safe. Unless you go to Atje
And
>asians, not sandniggers or actual niggers
>no oil
>small penises, can't rape properly
There is simply no reason for them to be muslim.
kebaya is ch*nkoid origin, modified from ch*nkoid long robe. malay don't wear breast showing clothings. it's either berkemban or fully hidden in sarong.
We are jungle nigger, not asians.
WE WUZ MADGASCAR N SHIET
>no oil
>small penises
>asians
finngol education. can't really blame you though.
anyway as for whos spreading it, there' are 3 main theories thaught in school, a) indian muslim trader from gujarat b)iranian shia trader from iran or 3)arabs stright from arabia. nobody knows for sure because we have weird shit like sunni majority region practicing shia iranian festival like ashura and local animism stuff at the same time
>How's crime;
depends on the region, generaly the main western and central island is safer then the eastern one (papuans and other assorted abbos)
>Are wh*tes disliked from the colonial years?
no one really cares anymore, at most someone will call you a bule and tries to speak english with you, but we do have a period where we massacred wh*toid during the events leading up to our independence
some do some doesnt, its not really an enforced thing here.
based and redpilled
euros are mongs
They were used to good old stoning, of course they were horrified.
>iranian shia
PERSIAN. and they weren't Iran and Shia when they're first in contact to the peninsular/sumatra (acheh)
ive read somewhere on Jow Forums that they installed bitcoin miner so im using dnscrypt instead
>no oil
maybe a hard question to answer but is it a nice country? do you enjoy living there?
it is nice, like any other country some are nicer than the other, jakarta is a shithole but other provinces are pretty comfy. the people are generally polite and friendly (except jakarta), the food is nice too
Don't recall stoning but there are amputation for repeat criminals, most common are pre islamic stuff such as slavery. Similar like prison but you work for the guy you wronged for a period.
Current day sharia court punishment are just modified from colonial era english common law.
Why so many Indonesia thread lately?
Oh yeah there is one for treason which involves sewing buffalo skin around the guy and leaving him to die of thirst under the sun.
Nothing like Alberto Barbossa shoving people into spiked barrels and rolling them downhill or hanging someone upside down before sawing in half.
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>tfw not getting yous despite my best way to explain.
>prefers getting info from ayy lmaos instead of the real people
shit thread. abandoning now.
Arabs spammed missionaries there, what's not to grasp?
>forgetting that most of Asia used to be ruled by Muslims
absolute brainlet.
>We are da gud bois guis.
based and sino-malaya pilled
based blanda malayans
>Why everybody didnt agree with muh forced bloody conversion theory
Back to Jow Forums grown man, this is halal board
>post a video in Malay
>on a thread with a large amount of English speakers
you did it to yourself
Because of Indian Muslim Traders during Delhi Sultunat and Mughal rule of India.
You're autistic. Please anwer OP's question because it's actually interesting and "loltrade" is not actually a sufficient answer.
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as signal virtue to hindu and buddhist
Indonesia was earlier Hindu and Buddhist because of the trade with Hindu and Buddhist states of India. Because in trade along with goods, ideas and philosophies also get transported. They also accepted religions from India to make the alliance stronger. And same happened when they traded with later Muslim states of India.
It is trade, merchants from Arab, India and Ming doesn't just sit around and masturbate for months waiting for a change in monsoon wind when they could blanda upp and even settle down with local ruling class or nobility.
Ships from east or west just trade their cargo in SEA instead of sailing all the way since thousands of years ago and Malacca strait provides shelter against the climate.
The blessing of Allah
it took centuries for a lot of places to become majority muslim. Islam objectively spread more peacefully then Christianity. The only place where the people were forced to convert by the sword is the Arabian Gulf. Otherwise, groups like the egyptians, berbers, levantines, mesopotamians, and Persians took hundreds of years to become muslim.
Also muslims never did anything to the horn of Africa. Somalians and Sudanis converted to islam willingly while Ethiopians did not. Why do you think Ethiopia still exists as a Christian country among a bunch of Muslim ones. There is even a hadith where prophet Muhammad says "leave the Absynnians alone" which refers to the Ethiopians.
Thanks pals, this did give me some answers
t. OP
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