this castle has been standing for nearly 700 years straight how is Japan so great Bros

we should burrow in to it and build a castle out of the rock

KARABOGA Castle

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based

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You should be executed for even suggesting that.

Not a bad idea.

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You are so excited because your homeland is castleless. It would be just old castle for you If you have been european.

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While I am fond of conventions in Japanese architecture, I despise Japanese castles. They are absolutely form over function, basically old timey conspicuous consumerism of nobles

They are the antithesis of siege-proof and the only reason you see ones like in OP standing today is because Japan is an island nation which has historically been able to defend itself for a variety of reasons (i.e. "borrowing" of Chinese/European technology). Japs never practiced siege warfare as is commonly understood domestically so they never had to build anything functional and so you get bullshit buildings like this whose only advantage is their location

What is Megumin looking at?

Your future

nooooo

shirosagi was built as a maze

without serious artillery (which wasn't available) there was no way to take it without going through the maze

so nobody ever really tried

the design was super-functional

>so they never had to build anything functional
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_castles_in_Korea

It's just a big rock

Why deserts on Earth are colour of shit.
Stupid WebM compikations on YouTube or just porn.

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moat

>shirosagi

This is one example. Of course it isn't absolute but castles in old time Japan were effectively the same as buying an Apple product now

That was a castle.

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>literally the op pic

"that's just anecdotal evidence, not relevant to the thread, my dude"

>the same as buying an Apple product now

>having something enormous and imposing made by your underlings specifically for you is the same as buying something pocket-sized, overpriced and mass-produced in an enemy country

we got us one hell of a big brain nibber right here

i bet you think the pyramids or neuschwanstein are "just ultra-bourgeois consumerism maaaaaan"

looks like a modern upper middle class house in Sweden but a little bigger

You will never be Japanese
You will always be a gaijin
If you find a jap gf somehow, her parents will never accept you

i will never be ancient egyptian or bavarian either m8 what's your point

Patrick Star Headass

there used to be way more castles in Japan

Japanese castle is not a place to live in normal times

They rebuilt it from scratch, so no.

and that is a good thing

those "castles" or 天守 (tenshu) usually brought up are just part of the entire defense structure of a japanese fort, and essentially the tower itself was little more than a decoration to symbolize the lord's power. the actual function of the fort to withstand siege relied on a lot of strips around it divided by moats and walls, which often made a huge defense perimeter. you had to go through those strips filled with traps and crossfire points to make it to the tenshu, and it was pretty hard. see what happened to the chinese and koreans who tried to capture japanese forts built on korea in imjin war despite those being wartime makeshifts.

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i miss Azuchi Castle

ming china deployed a lot of heavy artillery of the time to attack japanese forts and yet their army was "molten" according to their record.

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>Okayama
I know a park here that has that name.

the city of edo (modern day tokyo) itself functioned as a huge defense perimeter of the edo castle, which was called edo-jo sogamae

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Okayama wins where middle-aged homo gathers

*wins every reputation

Except that, Japanese castles are all fantasy.

Osaka Castle - Concrete, steel frame
Kumamoto Castle - modernity built back in the 1950s
Nagoya Castle - concrete castle, cultural property not registered

Not only castles, most Japanese architecture are fantasy.
It's a theme park made entirely of modern construction methods and concrete, steel, etc.

nice cherrypicking

>Nagoya Castle
The small and main donjon both burned down during World War II, and were reconstructed in 1959 with the use of modern materials such as steel beams and concrete

>Osaka Castle
In 1931, the ferroconcrete tenshu was built.[4]:157

During World War II, the arsenal became one of the largest military armories, employing 60,000 workers.[6] Bombing raids targeting the arsenal damaged the reconstructed main castle tower and, on August 14, 1945, destroyed 90% of the arsenal and killed 382 people working there.

In 1995, Osaka's government approved yet another restoration project, with the intent of restoring the main tower to its Edo-era splendor. In 1997, restoration was completed. The castle is a concrete reproduction (including elevators) of the original and the interior is intended as a modern, functioning museum.

>Kumamoto castle
Kumamoto Castle (熊本城 Kumamoto-jō) is a hilltop Japanese castle located in Chūō-ku, Kumamoto, in Kumamoto Prefecture.[1] It was a large and well fortified castle. The castle keep (天守閣 tenshukaku) is a concrete reconstruction built in 1960

Do not you know these?
I was even shocked to hear that Kinkaku had recovered to concrete.
Why do Japanese recover their cultural assets based on their imagination?

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reconstruction =/= fantasy
don't project korea's agenda on japan. and while a lot of historical buildings have been modernized or reconstructed due to natural disasters and wars, japan still has countless genuine buildings kept since antiquity including the world's oldest extant wooden architecture.

>The temple's pagoda is widely acknowledged to be the oldest wooden building existing in the world, underscoring Hōryū-ji's place as one of the most celebrated temples in Japan.[1][2]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hōryū-ji

wow japan EXPOSED what else have they lied about I wonder?

>I was even shocked to hear that Kinkaku had recovered to concrete.
it wasn't. it was built of wood
>Why do Japanese recover their cultural assets based on their imagination?
a blueprint of Kinkaku was archived and the temple was rebuilt according to it.

Ironically, You're the one who crushed most Japanese cultural assets.
When you attacked Japan during ww2, then most Japanese cultural assets disappeared.
Of course it was not wrong behavior
It was Japan who first invaded Asia and attacked the United States.
It was right

Why do you think Himeji Castle was the only Japanese castle that succeeded on listing on the UNESCO World Heritage List?
Because Japanese castles are literally worthless except for Himeji Castle.

Japan could not make stone buildings unlike Korea and China
This is the truth of history that Japanese textbooks don't tell you.

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>Himeji Castle was the only Japanese castle that succeeded on listing on the UNESCO World Heritage List
>therefore the only authentic castle is Himeji and others are all worthless
worst post of the day

No, it's true.
Even the Tenshu of Nagoya Castle is not registered as a cultural property in Japan
Because it's built concrete so it has no cultural value

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>daily reminder the interior is boring
post it

ah yes just bring up 1 white crow and argue every other one is white. Nagoya isn't the only castle representing the whole and people do know it's one of the worst restoration ever made. Check Hirosaki Castle, Matsumoto Castle, Hikone Castle and whatnots.

does it have a starbucks

Are they still going to tear it down and rebuilt it in wood?

it's actually neat but every other part is kinda like that

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>reconstructing things with modern materials and methods for durability means that the originals were impossible
???

It's mostly just wood and plaster, with some museum displays. Like most castles. I guess when it was being used there would have been a lot more going on, but maybe leaving it uncluttered is also valuable.

please don't come filthy globalism van
Nagoya Castle is being under huge restoration rn. they are going to tear it down and rebuild it with wood

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You can destroy that just with bows and arrows lmao

why gooks always come to Japan relate thread and ruined?

and pretty boring t bh just go to Kyoto and you'll see enough castles/temples for the rest of your life

>Why do you think Himeji Castle was the only Japanese castle that succeeded on listing on the UNESCO World Heritage List?

being reconstructed/modernized doesn't play such a huge role in selection of UNESCO world heritage though. it's evident from the fact korea's first one, the seokguram grotto and bulguksa temple, was literally reconstructed and modernized by imperial japan. the himeji castle was nominated on behalf of japanese castles because it's been the most beloved castle in japan. and wooden architecture has been a thing in japan due to frequent earthquakes, as the wood is lighter than the stone and properly built wooden frames can mitigate seismic waves. that's called environmental adaptation. stone buildings are nothing special. you see, africans built them as well, and even korea too.

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Relax, it's not that there's no castle in Japan.
But most of the cultural assets were destroyed by America and restored to concrete.
This is Japanese cultural property.
only Himeji Castle was listed as a UNESCO World Heritage during japanese castles
I will speak more easily
Your cultural assets are theme parks based on imagination

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no I'm simply pointing out the fact lots of Japanese castles and buildings are genuine while you are falling back on the authority of UNESCO to prove cultural authenticity which you dogmatically believe.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan's_Top_100_Castles

How is this a good form of building for a fortress? Just set it in flames lmao
Chinks are dumb af

>be Kinkajuji
>stand for centuries through many chaotic events
>some monk in training decides to burn you down in the 50s
WTF, Japan?

>cultural authenticity
The authenticity of the castles that do not already exist? lol
It doesn't matter. I told you, your cultural assets were destroyed by the mutt
If we were talking about the disappeared cultural assets that we were the greatest cultural power.
In the 6th century, Korea was the only country that could build more than 80m of wooden pagodas.
But it's cultural assets that are not already there.

Most of your castles were already destroyed by America, and now castles are fake that restored to concrete.
And not just the castle, but most Japanese cultural assets are also theme parks based on Imagination

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he was homo and so was Mishima

japanese didn't discover fire until the west introduced it to them

butthurt niggers lmao

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Yukio Mishima? Read some of his stuff when I was a kid

so thats why they eat sushi lmao

chinks are dumb but it's not relevant

It still is a great novel, so I guess something good came.out of it. Part of the 2nd gen Pokemon games were also.inspired by it too.

If you haven't read it, you really should.

lel

Lets go destroy galleons lmao

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It should list the typhoons under Japanese force's.

again, your standard is pointless. korea's world heritage is full of reconstruction. this one too.

>The Palace was burnt to the ground during the Japanese invasion in 1592 and reconstructed in 1609 by King Seonjo and King Gwanghaegun. The palace burnt back down in 1623 because of King Injo a political Revolt against Gwanghaegun. The palace was also attacked by the Manchu Qing but throughout its history of reconstruction and repair has remained faithful to its original design. Changdeokgung was the site of the royal court and the seat of government until 1868, when the neighboring Gyeongbokgung was rebuilt.

not only by your own effort, but the majority of korea's major historical buildings were more or less altered (modernization, fixing or whatever) by japan during the colonial period as you people are butthurt, and yet you manage to believe those are somewhat authentic today.

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*destroy your castle*

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>This building has been standing for ~4600 years straight

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>The authenticity of the castles that do not already exist? lol
they do exist as i posted
>It doesn't matter. I told you, your cultural assets were destroyed by the mutt
just because it was destroyed doesn't mean it has no cultural value. look at Warsaw Old Town. please grow out of it already
>If we were talking about the disappeared cultural assets that we were the greatest cultural power.
>In the 6th century, Korea was the only country that could build more than 80m of wooden pagodas.
epic oppa
>But it's cultural assets that are not already there.
yeah while ours still exist. it seems you don't share the basis of the topic with me.
>Most of your castles were already destroyed by America, and now castles are fake
ah yes restoration makes everything fake
>that restored to concrete.
i don't get this. what's wrong with adopting more durable stuff to make the building last longer? sticking to completely old stuff isn't what makes stuff authentic, it's just stubbornness. (i don't believe Nagoya Castle tier adoption is progression, tho)
>And not just the castle, but most Japanese cultural assets are also theme parks based on Imagination
i don't get this. what do you mean by "theme parks based on imagination? if you mean "touristic spots" then no cultural buildings can be free of tourism. rather embracing it while trying to keep it at best is the smartest and most mature solution
Yuukoku is the best
i have several works written by him in my house. ofc i've read it

> 1623
Are Japanese fools? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
It's literally 400 years old or more. It was rebuilt during the Joseon Dynasty

The point is not reconstruction
point is Reconstruction using concrete based on imagination

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and what's wrong with adopting concrete stuff to make it last longer? i'm not on about the worst case like Nagoya Castle. look at the pic and can you tell me what part of the Castle lacks authenticity you are trying to convey to us? plus Japan still has 12 castles which don't adopt it at all.

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as i said above, due to the pic related reason the majority of korea's major historical sites and architecture has been fixed and modernized by japan with materials and techniques in the early 20th century. and in japan's case those are not from imagination, but usually based on blueprints or photos. this is especially true of those damaged in ww2. as there were already a lot of photos taken.

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This would explain why Tokyo burned to the ground multiple times.

>Wooden building
>Concrete restoration
>Cultural Heritage

Does the Japanese have a defective brain?
I told you, Nagoya Castle's tenshu is not listed as a cultural property in Japan.
Why? It's because japan restored it to concrete.

Your cultural assets are just a theme park based on concrete and imagination.
It is completely different from the reconstruction of Korea 400 years ago.
Korea's architecture is a cultural asset, but yours is a theme park.

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>700 years

That's cute

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This jap poster sounds and behaves like an American weeb. American on holiday detected.

>what's wrong with adopting concrete stuff to make it last longer?
please tell me youre anti-japan korean proxy-jap user

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And yet Korea's "cultural assets" are less interesting and less valuable than Japan's "theme parks".

Really makes you think.

yeah please point out how adoption of concrete lacks authenticity of the Kumamoto castle

What does Count Gookula think of the routine rebuilding of ancient shrines?

Of course
How can before 19 century architecture be compared to modern architecture? Even Japanese architectures were based on imagination
Architecture technology itself is different :D
We only value cultural values.

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that's because you aint historian
of course japanese "theme park" will draw more attention because it was built to draw attention

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So it's just sour grapes.

what do you mean sour grapes?
historical architecture and theme park are completely different things
yes japs made it look so fabulous i give you that
but it's historically meaningless and no historical value whatsoever
youre literally comparing ancient medieval castle to disney world

The golden pavilion was originally covered with golden leaf when it was build back in the 14th century.
it was lost after so many years, but when they rebuilt it, they put it back like it was originally built.
Anyway, Gingaku>>>>>>>>Kinaku though.

>Japan so great
i dont know what you wanna tell us but shut the fuck up and go to your bed and sleep forever. if you can't do it, then kill yourself with a shotgun now. do it

t. Kurt Cobain

would be pretty fucking massive. how many rape dungeons would one need