When will Russians apologize for warcrimes commited against inoccent german soldiers

tfw no one questions the Dresden and Hamburg fire bombings

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>M-m-muh nazis called us untermensch so it's ok if we kill civilians
eye for an eye
>Katyn was done by GERMANS saying that the USSR did it is believing propaganda!
never heard about this claim
>USSR wanted to PROTECT the baltics!!!!
protect as in have under control, yes, it was of paramount importance
>Finland started the Winter war!!!
that's bullshit yes
>No rapes happened in Germany in 45!
they did, and not enough rapes commenced
>Shooting civilians in Hungary in 56 was justified!!!
morally not, geopolitically yes
>Invasion of Czechoslovakia was the right thing to do!!!!! REACTIONARIES were preparing COUP!!!!
see above
>Invasion of Afghanistan was justified!!!
we were invited ;')

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>>No rapes happened in Germany in 45!
>they did, and not enough rapes commenced

>At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin alone

uwu

100k is really jackshit, we should have killed millions

>Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000

okay

Why are you so evil?

Now give numbers about german rapes in ussr

Slavs unironically aren't human

So? I am aware that Russian government admitted to the crime however that doesn't stop retards desu.

>eye for an eye
don't expect people to think you are better than them then.
>never heard about this claim
really? I've heard quite a lot of (unimportant tho) people claim just that.
>protect
protecting someone and annexing them because you are a landgrabbing autist are two different things, fren
>they did, and not enough rapes commenced
Again. Don't expect people to think you are better than them.
>geopolitically yes
That doesn't make it any better desu
>we were invited
like you were """invited""" to Czechoslovakia in 68? Yeah :^)

God I just with Churchill pushed operation Unthinkable through so we didn't have to deal with aftermath of Soviet autism to this day desu

>morally not, geopolitically yes
*teleports behind you*
*gives you aids*
heh nothin' personnel, sooka

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>Russians should apologize for a lot of things, but defeating nazis is not one of those.

Never.
That were not russians, but ukranians.

>>Russians should apologize for a lot of things, but defeating nazis is not one of those.
acutally, you should apologize for that one aswell

>flag
>post

Stop being evil

Not evil, you just deserved that for what you've done first unprovoked.

>don't expect people to think you are better than them then
utterly irrelevant
>...two different things
for the population of annexed regions perhaps, but is the same thing for the state that annexes. It'd be much worse if e.g. Germany controlled Estonia in 1940 for us, don't you think?
>That doesn't make it any better desu
Morals are unimportant when your nation's intrests are at stake, even at others' expense.

>God I just with Churchill pushed operation Unthinkable through so we didn't have to deal with aftermath of Soviet autism to this day desu
lol i wish he did

ugh

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Okay, gladly

>by the Wehrmacht range up to 10,000,000 incidents

But I am not sure how accurate either are desu, considering that during the Nuremberg trials there were an estimated 8 million jews killed, since docked down to ((((6))))

Russians did nothing wrong, becoming communist was not their fault. Russia is great nation, if anything, they should have conquered everyone and converted us all to orthodoxy. Now look at the shit we are in because that didn't happen.

LMAO. And you was talking about 100k women in fucken germany? Don't you feel yourself idiotic now?

How did innocent german girls deserve getting raped?

ask mr.dirlewillywaggler

This but also unironically

>innocent German burials
YEAH KNOCK EM'

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If you admit that the people who post these things are unimportant and unrelated to the government then why do you care? People have always and will always attempt to revision history according to their feelings or delusions.

>God I just with Churchill pushed operation Unthinkable through so we didn't have to deal with aftermath of Soviet autism to this day desu
The fat fuck canceled it because he realized he would get his and the american’s divisions completely slaughtered by the soviet forces who massively outnumbered them. More like Operation Retarded

I am not defending him though

>for the population of annexed regions perhaps, but is the same thing for the state that annexes. It'd be much worse if e.g. Germany controlled Estonia in 1940 for us, don't you think?

>One of the major reasons that the invasion of Poland happened was that thousands of Germans were being assaulted and killed in Poland due to the rise of the 3rd Reich

5,437 murders, committed by members of the Polish armed forces and by Polish civilians on men, women and children of the German minority.By February 1, 1940, the total number of identified bodies of the German minority had increased to 12,857. There must be added more than 45,000 missing.

Although, not to that extent they feared similar things in Czechoslovakia

You don't understand, do you? You don't have to defend him, his mere existence, that of an officer appointed directly by the government (nominally representative of german people) provides enough justification for massive reprisals due to his actions alone. Letting such utter monsters warrants far, far more severe answers than these pathethic 200 thousand rapes when that retard's unit alone killed about the same amount.

Individually, the german girls in 1945 didn't deserve anything, but collectively as german people they did.

>utterly irrelevant
It actually is quite relevant for the sake of the argument. Russians often expect people to think them as heroes for stoping them evil nazis when in fact they were as bad as them.

>It'd be much worse if e.g. Germany controlled Estonia in 1940 for us, don't you think?
Again, that is not what this is about. The states didn't want to get annexed. They did. If's and speculations aren't what we're talking about.

>Morals are unimportant when your nation's intrests are at stake, even at others' expense.
See above. Don't claim moral highground then.

>lol i wish he did
Would have been beatufil wouldnt it? Milions more dead Soviets and world (partially) free of communist cancer.

>that the people who post these things are unimportant and unrelated to the government then why do you care
You see, these are unimportant people from my point of view but for others they are important. A month ago I read that some Russian (apparently highly acclaimed or whatever) historians claimed invasions of Czechoslovakia and Hungary were justified because there were coups in progress. Aclaimed. Historian.

>he fat fuck canceled it because he realized he would get his and the american’s divisions completely slaughtered by the soviet forces who massively outnumbered them
Allies would have won desu. S*viets would probably get as far as Rhine but no further. And don't use MUH tanks when any larger tank formation would get obliterated due to Allied air supremacy

*beautiful for christs sakes

I was talking about the 100,00 CONFIRED in Berlin alone. This does not account for the other 1.9 million in the small area of Germany that the Red army reached.
In 1943 the Nazi party estimated that perhaps (in a very liberal estimate) that at least 750,000 women would have children from the Germans. I couldn't find the page though

We're heroes for ourselves, and shouldn't care much about other's opinions. In my opinion, of course.
>Again, that is not what this is about.
I think we've lost the thread of original discussion. They didn't want to be protected, fine, we needed to protect them to protect ourselves. Perhaps this phrasing is more fitting, there is no need for moral justification for these actions.
>Don't claim moral highground then.
I don't.

>Would have been beatufil wouldnt it? Milions more dead Soviets and world (partially) free of communist cancer.
I don't think they would have won, the only result being severe devastation of european mainland. And whatever the outcome would be, Europe would fall into irrelevancy quick after that, resulting in a world far more dominated by american mongrels.

That totally happend my dude.
Also polish military attacked that radio station for no reason while wearing their uniforms and played Polish songs.

>start a war
>lose
>I am the victim guys
SAD

>never heard about this claim
Aside from this - it was the soviet official position till the very end - I would say your post is uncharacteristically based&redpilled.

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In german army, he was a nobody. In soviet army, he would have been made chief of the Soviet security and secret police apparatus

>We're heroes for ourselves, and shouldn't care much about other's opinions.
Well of course. I just am quite sick of people claiming we should be thankful to the Soviets for """liberating""" Europe.

>I don't think they would have won, the only result being severe devastation of european mainland.
I am positive the Allies would have eventually won due to the US having more industrial capacity than the USSR, allied air supremacy and most importantly complete absence of Soviet Navy. The US would have been practically untouchable while being able to pump more and more resources and men into Europe whereas Soviets were pretty devastated after the four years. Atomic weapons would play a large part in the war too desu.

Finally, you admit it!

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I can confirm he said that, I was there myself during the speech.
Then we went and massacred 6 gorillion of innocent german aryan children, gif related is me during the massacre.

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epic

>he was a nobody
pretty big guy in 'anti-partisan activities' aka extermination of polish/russian civilians. He wasn't in the army either, he was under SS (IIRC SS-TV) control, an elite military organization of the NSDAP, the only legal and ruling party in Germany back then, and thus representing German popular sentiment.
Besides, he wasn't the only one comitting atrocities, regular solders did it all the time (a normal thing in war, but you always except to be hit back when you hit).

>In soviet army, he would have been made chief of the Soviet security and secret police apparatus
Our jewish comissars were a fucked up lot, but a convicted child rapist would be executed and not even used for forced labor, rather than be made a commander of an entire regiment.

>Well of course. I just am quite sick of people claiming we should be thankful to the Soviets for """liberating""" Europe.
Well, people may or may not be thankful, that's up to them. To some it was a bad thing, but perhaps worse things could have happened if Germans won. The small lettigallian ethnicity was planned to be completely exterminated, for example, and russians in the west were to be subject to similar treatment. It was prevented by the red army, for which I am grateful that I am alive, well, and a relaviely free individual.
If one wished to have never existed or been born a slave, that's one's wish, I suppose. Would probably have been great for Germans, if you think about it.

Yeah, the only thing we had was the overwhelming advantage of land forces. That still was enough to send the Allies back to the Channel; what could have happened then is pure speculation in which I am not inclined to engage, but as I said whatever the outcome, it would be far far worse than what actually happened.

t. Beria

Ugh, grievous slander!

A common thing amongst the ruling classes is their utter depravity. Was the case with e.g. Roehm. Wish we didn't have these freaks in charge.

tak było

>Yeah, the only thing we had was the overwhelming advantage of land forces. That still was enough to send the Allies back to the Channel; what could have happened then is pure speculation in which I am not inclined to engage, but as I said whatever the outcome, it would be far far worse than what actually happened.

I think the only country that compete on a production and man person level was the US of that era.

>innocent Germans
>Polish intellectuals