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私は愚かだと感じる。But the more you learn, I guess.
bought this today, thoughts?
memrise.com
I made a memrise vocabulary list.
I've found memrise superior to anki.
Learning this should be your first step.
Later I'll make the top 200 verbs and top 100 adjectives and adverbs.
Cool, how about 10000 words instead?
I've never read that one, I'm afraid.
This looks a lot shaddier and less practical than Anki, I'll pass.
I didn't do anything but a bit of anki and tomorrow it will be the same
99% of words we use daily are less than 2k
70% of words we use in a language are less than 800
40% of words we use are less than 100
top 100 verbs will make you understand at least the context of speeches.
learning top verbs, adjectives and adverbs and you'll be ablle to guess the meaning of anime and games.
Also you're using anki too now, apparently. What changed your mind exactly even though I have my suspicions.
What a shitty shill, your deck is fucking useless if someone already watched anime for like a year.
>he seriously think this
unless you watch anime without subs, then you're wrong.
That's a situation that I know, but you basically have to force yourself at first.
Maybe if you're a brainlet
most weebs don't know japanese beyond some meme hentai words, dumbass.
You are an idiot not worth my time.
y-yea, well you're a baka
お久しぶりだね!
I did go with my initial plan to wade my way through raw VNs armed with text extractors and jisho and hope for the best, but after doing so with the first few hours of Senshinkan and Muramasa, I've noticed how stopping every 2 lines to hook up kanji and parse it greatly detracted from the experience and my enjoyement of it. So I thought I might as well just binge memorize this shit.
I wish, from the bottom of my heart, we could deal with the world with that amount of English vocaburary though..
>vocaburary
LLLLLLLLLL
はいはいbocaburarii bocaburarii
Abusorutery /debirishu/
ri*
ryu*
to*
I don't think you're eligible to make educational thingies if you're this oblivious to how japanese fundamentally works.
triste
That really depends if you say absolutely or absolyuteli, american and british accent and all that boring stuff. I think te fits better since absolute is a thing.
ORTHOGONAL
japanese still works under same biological constraints other humans languages do, they're not an ayy lmao language.
>muh glorious nippon yamato aryian race
kys weebs.
to my recollection, you said you're never going to come back, are you?
En effet. I wish you a good read in any case, champ.
我が偉大なる日本大和アーリア人人種!
see how we do it.
see?
Yeah I see ABSOLUTELY
merci mon amiE
You make zoo gear eye.
No you aho, it's a matter of how japanese is a hybrid language of regular Abjads that merged with a logographic system to cover for its plethora of homophones and limited sound count. Extrapolating a flimsy learning method made for more tame languages like english is stupid on so many fucking levels that I cannot even begin to describe how you're a clinical retard for doing so. くたばれ!
そういうこただ。
>japanese don't rank words by frequency
>learning the most used words first is a mistake
so tell me how japanese is this magical language that breaks the rules of linguistic scholars.
Except a more satisfactory basis of known words for one to have a decent grasp over nichijou japanese would be somewhere around 500~ words, though I'll leave it for the natives and experienced anons to say if that's true or not.
youtube.com
マクドナルド
グーグル トイレット
キットカット
やっと ウィークエンド
ヽ(*´▽｀)ツ
さびしくなるね。
you can still form sentences with basic pronouns, adjectives, adverbs and verbs and just using kono, sore, anno as nouns.
It's so bad it's good
>Uniqlo
>ユニキロ
fucking lol, you're in for a surprise
残念。
More like ~10K
Yeah, but you can't understand the sentences formed by others.
無知蒙昧
that's a matter of polishing your skills.
Is more efficient to learn the 800 most used words in japanese then simply improve over time your language range by watching anime, games or films or light novels.
Calm your tits Morocco. You still have a long way to go yourself.
I support using SRS flashcards in conjunction with reading and listening, you just shouldn't stop at 800. At 800 words you will understand virtually nothing without a dictionary.
>蒙
>ignorance, conceal, Mongolia
Jesus fucking christ.
Yeah, I know.
Checked
How do you even make an accurate most used words list
hint: you don't
You take the most used kanji then mix in some random hira/kittykana words and you call it accurate most used words list.
you basically make a software to count word frenquency and past thousands of texts like novels and newspapers.
There's already frenquency dictionaries for most major languages.
So for book club, I'm thinking a new chapter every Monday would work. It lines up well with the start of October and allows people to make catch up over the weekend of they need to. Thoughts?
What do we even read? Kinda missed the whole thing and theres nothing in the OP.
If you can look up obscure moonrunes you can search the last thread
You won't ever get a perfectly accurate word frequency list, but it's not like the 2000th most common word is significantly more useful than the 2100th most common word. If you get a good variation of mediums to sample it shouldn't be too complicated.
Colombian user is right that learning the most common verbs/words is a good place to start, but we already have the Core 2k/6k decks so I don't see the need for another, similar deck that's way smaller. I'm not sure why they think 2k is good enough to understand everything though, that's 80-90% comprehension based on pic related which means you're getting almost no details from whatever you're reading/listening to.
So starting chapter 1 on 10/1 I assume?
While this is true, if you only mention it in one thread and don't put it elsewhere, people won't even know much less participate.
It was mentioned constantly in the past 2 threads, stop being a whiny bitch
i think it's more that on the way to learning the top 2k you'll be learning all the common things that mess you up early on, e.g. the most common words are usually the most irregular, auxiliary verbs having un-guessable meanings when used in combination with other verbs, you'll be forced to grind grammar etc.
and part of it is just having an achievable, concrete goal to aim for to stay motivated in the early days where everything's hard
if i were to start learning a new language a top 2k frequency list is exactly where i'd start because that's about the point where you become self sufficient -- you understand the language as in the structure and from there all you need is to grind vocab
おい、下着店員の野郎、いる?
俺があんたのアポクリンアニメーションを観れば、責任を取ってつもりかい?全ての立った質問、答えろうとやがる?
I agree that starting off by learning the top 2k words is very useful, but there's no reason to stop there like the other user suggested. Plus the Core decks are already based on frequency lists, user's list will probably end up being similar and thus I don't see the point in making it.
djt/ October 2018 Book Club Suggestions and Voting are now underway.
Beginner:
poal.me
Intermediate:
poal.me
> how does it work
Every month we pick a beginner and intermediate book to read through together at a chapter per week. A book stays in it's spot monthly until it's finished. Then new voting begins to replace it.
> how to make the most out of this
The LN section of itazuraneko.neocities.org
> So starting chapter 1 on 10/1 I assume?
Yep. And every Monday after that begins a new chapter.
tl;dr
>japanese is a hybrid language of regular Abjads that merged with a logographic system
Holy fucking shit, Green Vietnam, what are you doing?
Kanji predates the kana, and kanas are NOT abjads to begin with.
I also don't see how the writing system goes against the "core words" approach, although Colombia being retarded and not having read the goddamn guide.
hanzi is orthogonal to chinese ergo...
>what are you doing?
No clue myself, I was just running my mouth really.
Whatever helps you sleep at night dude, I don't give a fuck about your meme words
im just taking the shit. hope my giants btfo dodgers playoff hopes tonite. toodles
>Green Vietnam
kek
Colombia has a point in that vocabulary frequency/use is a power law (more precisely: Zipf's Law). The problem is that understanding 95% of a text just isn't good enough. Human communication has redundancy and error-correction built-in on multiple levels but it quickly falls apart once you drop below 99% clarity.
Just understanding the context/general idea is good enough for when you have to ask for the nearest bathroom, not when you need to have actual in-depth conversations.
yeah its a computer scientist meme word. but im not very uhhhh eloquent
Yeah but that has nothing to do with the writing system.
Take Arabic (and actual abjad language), for instance, and you also have to go through some hoops to learn it, since vowels are a commodity.
*道を塞ぐ*
how do i get out of upper-intermediate hell
What exactly can と mean at the end of a sentence?
I just heard it in a song so it's probably nothing important
>方向転換した
あなたはdjtの承認とか気にしますか?
Oh yeah that's a thing, although I don't think that's what it is in this case.
>いつの日かこの翅を 精一杯広げて
>君がそばにいてくれるなら
>きっと飛び立てるの あの空へと
That is the "with" と. あの空へ [with/と] 君 [by my side]
Think of generic English language love song lyrics and the feeling should be similar.
Our counterparts on 5ch are really covering the essential English idioms, I don't think a day goes by without using this one myself.
based
désolé mais nous les frogs sommes des おとこ
That only covers sentences where there's something after へと. What if there isn't?
This makes sense, but doesn't confuse me any less
How do I get out of lower-intermediate hell?
still learning 50 kanji a day by my magic spatial memory method. idk this is supposedly "unsustainable".
2 hours including wind up every morning.
Eternal beginner here. Just b urself
words > kanji
2 hours is pretty long tho, 20 new cards + 50-100 reviews usually takes me around 30min
japanese vocabulary is orthogonal to chinese characters. im left with all the time to study the actual spoken language using jorden's texts (rest in peace)
lot of it is reviewing old cards.
Average answer time: 4.7s (12.6 cards/minute)
>by my magic spatial memory method
Welp I'll bite, what is so special about your method?
