Americans are stupi-

Germans are not in charge for making these rankings

They don't have enough Jews or Chinese.

>The UK is the only European country in the top 10
>The UK is the only country with privatized tertiary education
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Do you have a non anglo rating?

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In Germany a lot of research is carried out in independent research institutes like the numerous offshoots of the Max-Planck Institue. Universities are thus more a bit more focused on being institutions of teaching than research, compared to Anglo-Saxon countries.

They are stupid, though. Their universities just have enough money to poach smart people from other countries, mainly because they bleed their students for everything they're worth.

Oxbridge is a meme.

Everyone at Harvard is either Chinese, Korean, Japanese, or incredibly rich blonde kids.

this >go study for my Master's
>half the class are foreigners

These two points are actually related. If a professor from the University of Frankfurt makes some groundbreaking contribution to quantum physics, it's published in a paper that credits the Max Planck institute. It therefore does nothing to increase the prestige of the University of Frankfurt.

Then a university like Oxford, which has loads emone due to being a private institution with insane entry fees that clearly operates for profit, can use its shekels to buy that professor into England. All contributions he makes after that will be published in papers that explicitly associate this research with the University of Oxford, increasing its prestige. Thus the students at Oxford get what they pay for (top quality education from the foremost experts in the field) and the studens at the University of Frankfurt get what they pay for (the chumps neither British nor American universities care for).

The solution is incredibly simple but "muh free shit".

I'd say the German model is better. Allow the truly great to get on with what they do best, research, at a institute run specifically for that purpose, and let the universities be accessible enough to allow widespread education of the population.

I'd say the best model is the model that consistently allows you to draw in the best teachers from abroad while also retaining domestic talent. You do this by offering the best professors the best salaries. For SOME reason private universities are better able to do this than public universities.

>and let the universities be accessible enough to allow widespread education of the population
Are you telling me only the richest 1% in Britain and America go to university? Both these countries suffer from the opposite problem: idiots going to shitty state universities like Evergreen where they learn useless information and then enter the job market with no marketable skills and a superiority complex.

The Anglo-American system has zero problems with accessibility.

I don't really agree with the fact that talented students should be denied access to tertiary education on non-meritocratic bullshit like tuition.

>Higher education thread
>the "make everything private, I hate free stuff reee" Dutchman comes in again.

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>The Anglo-American system has zero problems with accessibility.

American universities have so-called heritage spots which are reserved for the descendants of families that went to the the same school. Neo-aristocratic shit if you ask me.

>universities be accessible enough to allow widespread education of the population

Most Germans don't go to uni, they go to vocational schools. Compare that to Russia which has one of the highest uni educated population in the world. Well read citizens but a shit economy.

France is arguably one of the worst, though where you have a bunch of expensive private schools literally operating a parallel education system.

Then have government scholarships or vouchers or whatever.

Tell me about all those world class French universities. Oh wait.

Sauce? Because if that's true, that's some fucking bullshit.

look at this english "teacher" and laugh

>they go to vocational schools.
Vocational schools don't have a bad reputation here, in fact a lot of degrees that are college degrees in Anglo countries don't even exist at the university/college level, nursing for example.

Yes, I've read it elsewhere. Is it free like the unis too?

The problem with that is that the best researchers are not necessarily the best teachers. In fact, a lot of academics with a strong research focus hate teaching. It forces them to spend time on lesson plans on basic shit for undergraduates, on administration etc. that could be spent on research and publications.

A good university doesn't have to be turning out ground breaking research. It just has to teach students to a competent level, and cultivate genius when it arises.

Plus, the english system is far from perfect. It's leading to a debt crisis, and encourages many students to go abroad to avoid having to pay it back at all. Plus the alternative is not "state universities". In Scotland, the universities remain private institutions, and tuition is provided by the government.

What the fuck are you on about ?
All our "Grandes Écoles" are public and free. Some are private but they are the less prestigious ones, and they are a minority so...

Our university and grandes écoles are fine thank you, the problem in France isn't the education, it's the fact that engineers/phds etc are underpaid and treated like shit. And then politicians cry because they all want to work in the US/UK/Germany lol

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences

>Currently, the Ivy League institutions are estimated to admit 10% to 30% of each entering class using legacy admissions.[6][7] For example, in the 2008 entering undergraduate class, the University of Pennsylvania admitted 41.7% of legacies who applied during the early decision admissions round and 33.9% of legacies who applied during the regular admissions cycle, versus 29.3% of all students who applied during the early decision admissions round and 16.4% of all who applied during the regular cycle.[8] In 2009, Princeton admitted 41.7% of legacy applicants—more than 4.5 times the 9.2% rate of non-legacies. Similarly, in 2006, Brown University admitted 33.5% of alumni children, significantly higher than the 13.8% overall admissions rate. In 2003, Harvard admitted 40% of legacy applicants, compared to the overall 11% acceptance rate. In short, Ivy League and other top schools typically admit legacies at two to five times their overall admission rates.

Whoa, nice meritocracy there.

>Then have government scholarships or vouchers or whatever.

Private institutions will take advantage of government-backed tuition guarantees which causes tuition rates to spiral out of control, see the Us.

Grim, 40% is mad

There's usually a lot of donations involved in legacy admissions. For military academies, it helps to have high ranking officers with political connections. John McCain, for example, graduated from the Naval Academy near the bottom of his class. He got in because his father and grandfather were admirals.

>Our university and grandes écoles are fine thank you
Isn't your best institution something like 40th in the global rankings?

>the problem in France isn't the education, it's the fact that engineers/phds etc are underpaid and treated like shit
Gee, almost as if the problem is that their salaries are decided almost exclusively by what budget the government chooses to assign to education or something. Almost as if a privatized system would solve this because it would mean these universities would have their own income to spend on 'buying' or keeping the best professors they can afford.

Alright, that's just fucking bullshit. That's effectively a scholastic aristocracy and I can't believe this shit is legal.

>Almost as if a privatized system would solve this because it would mean these universities would have their own income to spend on 'buying' or keeping the best professors they can afford.

Or, if there were more for private research institutes.

How would these private research institutions generate income without an education institution attached to it? They're not going to make a return on investments just by putting all their research behind a paywall.

You don't understand what it means to be American.

Research grants.

You don't really know much about universities and research, do you?

its a neet, he doesnt know about anything

>Isn't your best institution something like 40th in the global rankings?

Idk but those global rankings were meant for gigantic burgerish universities.
Lets take an example, our most prestigious institution must be the École Normale Supérieure, which has 2400 students, in comparison Princeton has 8000 Harvard has 22 000. Im not refuting the quality of these american universities but Im saying french GE are academically on par with them even if it's not shown on the rankings.

>Gee, almost as if the problem is that their salaries are decided....

Well you have a point when it comes to proffessors, but engineers usually work for private companies.

>Research grants.
How are they private if the entirety of their income is government financed? Of course Oxbridge gets government grants as well, but they could theoretically function without them.

People here go to uni because it's what everyone else does and to avoid conscription

Not all grants come from the government. Some come from research councils, private endowments.

>heritage spots
oh nononoonnoNONONO

Also worth noting a lot of these grants are available to academics working at universities with subsidised tuition, kind rendering your argument that universities need to charge outrageous amounts, as in England, to successfully fund research.

>How are they private if the entirety of their income is government financed
Private companies build public roads, you know. Doesn't make them less private.

timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Oxford / Cambridge usually top 2..

I mean, the whole thought process that tuition should be used for research projects instead of teaching is pretty outrageous to begin with.

True, but it's better than the English system most of it just goes towards Christmas bonuses for the Dean.

Mostly free, in fact you even get a small salary.

So you're blacker than Uganda?

>private unis
>only the 1% can efford it
>99% of americans can't efford it
>americans are sma-

if we have more blacks than yeah lmao

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no nono bad mutt :( thats not how it works

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WOAH so this is the power of shitrankings!

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But he is right

>Compare that to Russia which has one of the highest uni educated population in the world
it's what we are experiencing now though, more people are going to university than ever before and it's getting easier and easier, a degree is becoming worth less. Bildungsinflation.

Does this control for educational attainment? Ivy league graduates tend to be much wealthier and have significantly higher IQ than the general population, you first need to show that the disparity consists when these variables are controlled for.

>consists
*persists
Sleep deprivation is a bitch.

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Expats are the worst weebs.

That legacy shit is really only at ivy league schools. I tend to view them as overrated anyways, but it does hold them back.

arent most people from oxford and yale jewish and asian?

American intelligence doesn't operate on a bell curve.

You got 5-10% geniuses who blow most the world out the water.
Then a bottom heavy group of 33% retards who the geniuses milk for money

>Harvard

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top schools have a tendancy to reject asian applications now

I don't know if they have a "tendency to reject asians" but diversity initiatives also end up hurting asians.

And women too for that matter.

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>Go to a T30 school
>Professors are geniuses and work on groundbreaking tech
>Classmates are smart, motivated, and innovative
>Average post grad starting salary around 80k
BUT
>Take GE
>Everyone is dumb as shit
>Have to talk about the gender of a piano
US universities are both a meme and not a meme.

t. never been to harvard

This. If the legacy students are actually fit to get into the school then it isnt really a big deal. Not surprising that the child of an ivy league graduate (or 2) is probably smart enough and disciplined enough, or just rich enough to put all their time into school work, to get into an ivy league college.

a little bit, but we are also much whiter than switzerland :)

what is wrong with that criteria?

Well more women are in unis so of course, men go mostly into business or STEM for uni and otherwise a lot go into construction work, trade schools, and truck driving shit. Women are usually majority in the other fields, which covers many more majors