Why are Americans still bitter about losing a war? Even little children are taught you can't win em all

That’s exactly what I meant by half-assed. We’re never half-added when it comes to military spending.

>Vietnam is the only one that we lost
Yeah, nah. Let me properly break it down for you.

>War of Independence
Lost
>War of 1812
Won
>Mexican-American War
Won
>Civil War
Lost
>Indian Wars
Won
>Spanish-American War
Won
>World War 1
Won
>World War 2
Won
>Korean War
Lost
>Vietnam War
Lost
>Gulf War
Won
>War on Terror
Lmao (losing)

Eh, we've never been in a situation where we've been forced to capitulate. Our puppet government collapsed after we withdrew all our troops. Whatever.

Apparently General Westmoreland wanted to nuke Hanoi but LBJ wouldn't let him :(

nytimes.com/2018/10/06/world/asia/vietnam-war-nuclear-weapons.html

Remind me again how we lost War of Independence and the Civil War?
Or how Korea wasn't a stalemate?

Nuking NVA would've been retarded. It probably would've resulted in China fully engaging in the War, along with USSR getting involved. and it would've been good for VC propaganda.

1812 started because of british sanctions and impressment you historically illiterate retard

>war of independence
>civil war
>korean war
>war on terror
>lost
lmao what

war on terror is still ongoing but we've completed our primary objectives, that's not something that you can immediately "win", if ever

They think it was a draw for some reason. They're completely mental about it.

then we nuke china? they barely had a single operable nuke at the time, we could have obliterated their entire country if we chose to ignore any sort of war ethics

The peace treaty literally said it was a draw.
A treaty the British signed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Ghent
>The treaty restored relations between the two nations to status quo ante bellum, restoring the borders of the two countries to the lines before the war started in June 1812.

are you literally fucking retarded? in no way did either side win. are you just mad because a bunch of farmers got independence and then dwarfed your relevance? lmao

>lmao just nuke China
Nice way to get Soviets to nuke the west I guess. They were under USSR nuclear umbrella

>stalemate
Counts as a loss especially when you have a hostile communist/totalitarian nuclear capable meme nation as a result

>Civil War
Because you fought a civil war lmao. It's like knocking yourself out and saying you won a fight against yourself. I mean, technically true but really dumb.

>War of Independence
You were still technically fighting yourself as you were part of the British Empire at the time, so same reason as above.

You guys lost the war of 1812 in almost the exact same fashion that we lost Vietnam.

Despite reeking havoc on us, you completely failed to meet your objectives, and gave up because the whole thing wasn’t worth the cost.

> status quo ante bellum

You invaded British land and you got pushed out of it. The same thing happened during the Falklands conflict. Do you think the Argentinians drew in that war?

Without the treasonous Frogs on your side, you could barely put up a fight. 1812 was Britain rightfully putting you in your place.

I could understand the sentiment for the Korean War counting as a loss but your logic for the Civil War and especially War of Independence is retarded.

>1812 was Britain rightfully putting you in your place.
It wasn’t tho because they stopped kidnapping our sailors and harassing our trade

The soviets and chinese weren't on the best of terms by that point. They wouldn't have been happy about the nuking but it also wouldn't be worth risking their own livelihood just to avenge some poor chinks.

I live in Alabama, so I agree with him that we lost the civil war.

> you completely failed to meet your objectives

No they didn't. Their objective was to push the invader out of their territory, and they did. You were the idiots who started that war.

It's funny how you can't fathom that you could possibly be the aggressors in a conflict. Yet that's exactly what you were.

the british then invaded american land and got pushed out of it. battle of new orleans was a fucking rout for the british, same with many smaller ones like tippecanoe. we even proved to be better at naval warfare with the constitution. we invaded and were pushed out, they invaded and were pushed out, we lost battles, they lost battles, the treaty declared it a draw. there's no arguing over it at this point

I can picture Trump accidentally burning down the White House, then later bragging about the size of the crowd of onlookers.

We didn’t though. It wasn’t a war to begin with but rather an intervention. Even if it was one, we won in the end. A higher kill ratio, and they became capitalists

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_War_of_1812

what the fuck is impressment you idiot, is this bait or what? that was the primary reason we went to war

We’re the aggressors in most conflicts, it’s not hard to fathom. In this case our aggression was intentionally provoked. None of the terms the Brits brought to the table during the treaty process went thier way, they walked away with nothing.

The shifting of goal posts just as predicted.

>Their objective was to push the invader out of their territory, and they did.
Their objective was to continue the harassment and impressment of American sailors, which they failed to do

and we walked away with lifted sanctions and no impressment, so either it was a draw (it was) or you could argue that we won. anybody with any knowledge of history wouldn't argue for a second that the british won, they gained absolutely nothing and spent a fucking wad of money and wasted lives on the war

The Americans failed to invade Canada, failed to stop impressment, suffered over twice as many casualties, spent three quarters of the naval conflict docked at port and were on the verge of bankruptcy by the end of the war. No one in their right mind would think that's a draw bar Americans high on their own mental propaganda. If you pretended you'd won it'd almost be more convincing.

>they gained absolutely nothing and spent a fucking wad of money and wasted lives on the war
Sounds familiar, desu.

>The shifting of goalposts, just as predicted

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oh and remember, whenever a brit thinks they won because they burned down the white house, remind them that we fucking burned town their entire capital LMAO

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_York#Burning_of_York

>Counts as a loss especially when you have a hostile communist/totalitarian nuclear capable meme nation as a result
The North and South failed to gain any land and the signing of the armistice established the DMZ on literally the same geographical point where from where the war started. The spread of communism was contained, the spread of capitalism was contained, literal fucking stalemate. There is no other definition.

>Because you fought a civil war lmao. It's like knocking yourself out and saying you won a fight against yourself. I mean, technically true but really dumb.
Because anti-government seperatists who go against federal laws and the government is the government itself? The civil war was more akin to quelling a rebellion, thats like saying the Eureka stockade was the government punching itself and claiming it won

>You were still technically fighting yourself as you were part of the British Empire at the time, so same reason as above.
But the original Thirteen were increasingly independent minded and by the time the British told them not to go out past the Appalachians to keep the trade and taxes on the atlantic seaboard and closer to Britain, the Thirteen didnt really even see themselves as British anymore.

It's weird a Vietnam is such a long country but all of its in the tropics

>impressment of American sailors
Literal myth, most of those sailors were defected Brits who were only being re-pressed into service.

ITT: One booty blasted slant eye posting from his taxpayer-provided apartment and phone in Melbourne

yeah, vietnam, didn't ever deny that we lost and it was all for nothing. i'm talking about 1812.

we didn't fail to stop impressment lmao, you stopped after the war. also, war casualty numbers between us overlap, and if we count the natives that allied with you that were killed, you lost 4 times as many

you objectively did not win, it can be argued that you lost more from it considering you gained NOTHING

I’ve always said we were their Vietnam.

>A higher kill ratio, and they became capitalists
By this logic, the Axis won WW2 because they had a higher kill ratio and the West became fascists in the end.

It's the tropical chile :)

They weren’t brits, they were Irish refugees escaping slavery conditions aboard Royal Navy ships. Even if they were British, the UK should’ve officially made a diplomatic inquiry to America like a civilized nation rather than committing an act of war and chimping out when Americans won’t stand it.

Did you know that we never had more than 25,000 combat personnel in Vietnam? Everyone else was just support and logistics.

Not really because WWII was a real war you fucking cretin.

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

25,000 combat personnel to roast 5,000,000 zipperheads :^)

While that's true, the British also did kidnap American sailors freely. After all, an American could very easily pass for an Englishman especially since in those days about three quarters of white Americans were of Anglo-Irish ancestry.

what about iraq? we immediately topped the baathists and had saddam executed. an insurgency is natural and a "war on terror" is a fake concept, it's like a "war on drugs". we completed our objectives and are dealing with insurgencies. you think the taliban won? al qaeda? they got fucking decimated whereas the taliban previously controlled the entire country

that's the thing about the middle east - we fucking bulldozed everyone in our path but it's like a bug infestation, hard to quash completely no matter how militarily powerful you are

Ever notice we enter a lot of wars with vague, unwinnable objectives. And that waging of those wars, or even the winning or losing of those wars don’t have a major noticeable impact on the day to day lives of our average citizens.

>i-it's not a real war b-because we didn't win :(((

Jesus christ just admit you lost. It's no different than admitting the war was a failure which seems to be the mainstream consensus in your country anyway.

It certainly is. I wonder though it there is much of a noticeable average temperature difference between the northern and southern most tips.

No war was ever declared. Was the Emu War a real conflict?

The war had nothing to do with impressment, it's never mentioned in the Treaty of Ghent and it was ended unilaterally by the British after Napoleon's exile to Elba with zero input from the Americans. And the way Americans hammer on about it, you'd think the Royal Navy was sending Marines out to people's homes and yanking them out of bed to stuff them on ships off to the Indies, in reality they were recapturing British sailors who'd ran away from their posts at the promise of American money and a safe peacetime job. Abandoning your friends and countrymen in a time of war and putting their lives in jeopardy is a scummy thing to do, if anything the British authorities at the time were too merciful.

reminder that Australia also lost the vietnam war

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I'm glad we stopped being your bootlickers after Vietnam and threw ANZUS into the bin. What a horrible waste of time and lives.

>you need to formally declare war for it to be a real war

Besides this absolutely retarded logic, everyone in your called it a war. It's not referred to as the "Vietnam Conflict" or "Vietnam Intervention" you dummy.

>British
Almost none of them were British, they were all Irishmen who hated your guts. No doubt their Irish friends who didn’t escape were jealous and would’ve done the same if they could.

>I'm glad we stopped being your bootlickers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>I'm glad we stopped being your bootlickers
1. You still are
2. The alternative is being China’s bootlicker

Not just Vietnam, but Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Keep on bootlickin, you crazy cunts.

A lot of British sailors defected because they were usually conscripted Irishmen who weren't there of their own free will, also discipline was rough and involved frequent floggings. The US Navy paid better and was more democratic.

Flogging was actually not abolished in the Royal Navy until 1879 and it remained in the British penal codes until after WWII.

> Afghanistan
Sure, literally every Western nation followed you in

>Iraq
Um no sweaty. A small logistics team went. There were no combat troops in Iraq.

Plus we told your naval ships to fuck off. I hate China but you need to start re-evaluating your foreign policy if you want anyone to join you in whatever the next war is.

Why can’t you just admit you got decimated by a bunch of turban wearing dirt farmers in Afghanistan?

>Plus we told your naval ships to fuck off
No you said that our nuclear ships couldn’t dock there because you retards drank the anti-nuclear koolaid.

>I hate China but you need to start re-evaluating your foreign policy if you want anyone to join you in whatever the next war is.

I believe it's called a "dependency alliance" to have protection under the United States, you first must have something the US can depend on for you to bring to the table in return.

For us, it's being a landmass close enough to Asia to use as a launchpad for operations, being large enough to host large scale training exercises, and sending our soldiers to fight and our ships to excerpt influence in the name of democracy and freedom.

You have none of those.

You have nothing to bring to the table that would warrant anyone being in any sort of alliance or pact with you.

This is why the US didnt give a fraction of a shit when you guys threw a shit fit and tried to leave ANZUS

holy fuck new zealand lmao

world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/new-zealand.aspx

>New Zealand is one of the few developed countries not using electricity (indigenous or imported) from nuclear energy.

how stupid can a country be LMAO

this, i get that australians don't generally like us but they need us for defense and they're a huge benefit to us in terms of that defense

what the fuck does new zealand even do? lmao

>UK should’ve officially made a diplomatic inquiry to America
Americans had already proven themselves untrustworthy after betraying the Empire to secede. They didn't petition the Brits for independence, they committed acts of treason that led to war. Very ungrateful, especially after dragging the Empire into the French & Indian Wars.

>No war was ever declared therefore It Doesn't Real

Last time USA declared a war was in 1942. Since then USA has been a peace-loving country, right?

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