Should Russia give back Crimea?

Look at these borders they're aesthetic as fuck

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Only time it was good was under the soviet era, after that it looked like shit

to who? itself?

based

>Oil fields
Even before 2014, Ukraine has never exported oil. Jesus they had like 30 years without ebil commies

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I wish Russia would get it over with and just blitz Ukraine

>they had like 30 years without ebil commies
Good one, comrade.

No. Crimea is Russia.

or better give it back to the anglos, it's rightfully ours ever since the byzantines awarded it to us

NATO should have interfered when it happened. now its too late

>NATO should have interfered
What's worth dying for for a NATO soldier here?
I mean it's really hard to imagine some kind of Portugalian or French or Norwegian soldier dying so far away from his home

Yes.

daily reminder if you support the Russians on this, you support the Anschluß or the Munich Agreement

Meh. It's full of faggots so just give it to Turkey.

>What's worth dying for for a NATO soldier here?

Killing russians.

Why do you think irredentism is bad at all?
>you support the Anschluß or the Munich Agreement
Or Kosovo secession (supported by the west)
Or Catalonia sece.. Oh nevermined, this one wasn't supported by the west.

>the Anschluß
I don't see anything wrong with that.

Thanks for the confirmation that Putin was right all along and did nothing wrong at all.

You don’t earn rubles if the firsties know you’re trolling.

This.

T. Russian on vacation in Odessa (it's amazing btw)

I support ethnic self determination.

5 dollars have been deposited in your account.

>I don't like the facts
>Let's pretend those are trolling
Pathetic mutt. However, you're an American so I must much more understanding on you. It's like... like speaking with a kid, or a mentally ill, or both at the same time.

Why do Russkies always have the best bants. Are you the same one that BTFO the hungarian in the other thread?

Yes, but going full retarded and actually annexing land in 2014 A.D. caused them so much trouble and also shut the mouth of all the faggots who attepted to "make our relations better" that I'm willing to accept that sacrifice as long as I can observe those Mongol fucks crash and burn.

It's not banter, he's drawing logical conclusions.

Your country is literally the result of fetal alcohol syndrome over multiple generations, Ivan.

>so much trouble
AFAIK back in 2014 Obama said that Russian economy is fucked up and Russia is going to be fucked (if I remember that correctly)
As for 2018, Russian economy has a 2% growth (after 3 years of stagnation) (according to the WB), we have won in Syria, Crimea is still Russian (and it always will be Russian), and, the most funny thing, despite sanctions and poolish eternal butthurt Nord Stream 2 is being under construction right now, like really right now, like right this minute.
U mad? What are you gonna do now, polacke? :^)

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But we have better equipment and tech
For every 1 russiansoldier a 1000 nato soldiers will die

Okay, you’re literally being paid. Nothing to see here, folks, just keep moving.

He's gonna waste more of his energy and free time screeching about Russians while pretending to be smug. Just like the American

Did Russians always live in these parts of Ukraine or did they only move in after many Ukrainians died in WW2?

>muh russian shills
>>>reddit

Bye

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No one gives a fuck about Crimea, when are R*skies handing Sakhalin to their true owners and masters?

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>I don't like what you're saying!
>So you must be a paid shill!

Argumentum ad hominem, le classique. Do you have some kind of psychological disorder?

>you’re literally being paid (for shitposting on Jow Forums)
Oh, I wish...

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>Crimea
Since 1783
>Donbass\Eastern Ukraine
Donbass was largely unpopulated until the second half of the 17th century, when Don Cossacks from south Russia settled in the area. The first town in the region was founded by the Russians in 1676, (Solanoye, now Soledar).
So kind of no man's land. (with nomands from the Khanate btw)

nah
kruschev basically gave away sovereign russian territory to ssr ukraine because he was ukrainian and also a totalitarian dictator so he could

the crimean "crisis" is history correcting itself

also americans should stop complaining about russian "expansionism" since they're the ones who first violated the washington agreement (no former warsaw pact states were to enter NATO in exchange for Russia withdrawing military forces from the eastern block post-commie collapse)

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Yes.

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>Meanwhile, in reality

google.pl/amp/s/themoscowtimes.com/articles/russias-economy-is-falling-woefully-behind-op-ed-62473?amp

m.nasdaq.com/article/russian-rouble-opens-down-pressured-by-new-us-sanctions-risks-20180912-00110

>first article
All true, but still, GDP is growing
>second article
>september
It already recovered

>the washington agreement (no former warsaw pact states were to enter NATO
Proofs?

your economy is shit, your gdp is comparable to ours, even though your population is 6x ours and you have many more natural resources.

It is still less than half of what it used to be in 2014.

It was no actual agreement, but a promise
foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-11/broken-promise

>What the US secretary of state said on Feb. 9, 1990 in the magnificent St. Catherine's Hall at the Kremlin is beyond dispute. There would be, in Baker's words, "no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east," provided the Soviets agreed to the NATO membership of a unified Germany. Moscow would think about it, Gorbachev said, but added: "any extension of the zone of NATO is unacceptable."

His point is that Russia is not on the verge of collapse and their economy is slooowly recovering (pic related)

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My wage currently is 130k roubles, in 2013 it would be 50k, nothing changed basically if you are not a pensioner living in Mukhosransk, that doesn't mean we should ignore them, but still, not such a big deal.

Oh, so no agreement after all? Ok, just checking.

Did you read my post?

I did, as well as the article.
>briefly implied
is not a legaly binding agreement. It's nit even an agreement, it's barely "an implication of a posibility".

It was rather vocal agreement, no papers were signed, which is fucking dumb, but what do you expect from an alchoholic one foot in his grave and our government is still butthurt about it(and has all rights to be desu)

It was a rat-like move but what do you expect from dirty Nato rats. It only shows that you should never ever trust the West

>Many more natural resources
Not really

>Put simply, there was never a formal deal, as Russia alleges -- but U.S. and West German officials briefly implied that such a deal might be on the table
>NEVER A FORMAL DEAL
>BRIEFLY IMPLIED
>DEAL MIGHT BE ON THE TABLE
Can't tell if you're just butthurt, retarded, paid off or all of the above.

Don’t even bother, dude. It’s just one of the few dozen putin shills we have around here and that one cringy volga german that shits up every thread.

>briefly implied
Western rats tricked Gorbachev into accepting their deal by openly promising not to expand Nato, just to break their word a few years later without any sign of aggression from the Russian side. It wasn't just a brief mentioning.

Either post proof of your claims or fuck right off. No moving goalposts either, you coniving faggot.

>low IQ American retard has given up on debating me because he constantly loses arguments so he just calls everyone a shill without even trying to make a point
I thought you wanted move on? Why are you still here?

I posted it already. Not my problem if you can't read.

>1990's
>be Russia
>be democratic and shit, but economic is a crashing plane
>carve before the US, trying to be their friend
>try to join NATO to stop old hostility
>''maybe''(no)
>ok whatever
>looking at serb cities being bombed(CITIES not military, you retard)
>wait what
>realise, you can't be friends with them, rather their slave
>nope
>start independent international politics
>still trying to be somewhat friendly, cus a lot of domestic affairs are not done yet
>meanwhile NATO is already within breathing distance
>shit
>doing everything you can to strengthen your position(sometimes with breaking some ethics) like the US does, cus we matter and shit
>get international outcry on some occasitions, because you don't control UN unlike US
Basically, you're getting shit because some country doesn't like your politics, blaming you for breaking international law(which they are constantly breaking as well , but since it's you its bad)

>this is what russians actually believe

Great argument

I'm not arguing against any of this.

Actually, except maybe just the
>try to join NATO
part. That's also just hearsay.

They arent going to give it back so the argument is pointless. They should at least reimburse Ukraine for it but I doubt they will.

so all of it is lies?

>They should at least reimburse Ukraine for it
they should blow up the building poroshenko is and invade the entire east then stop at the Dnieper and Odessa.
If Medvedev was in charge, nobody would have enough time to get butthurt about it

All Russia should be given back to Ukraine

If they want to stay alive.