Why are you learning foreign languages when you could be learning programming languages?

Cause I already know the math and still can’t find a job

>not knowing both

I work in management at a tech company.

Here's a secret. We prefer to hire cheap foreigners. For that reason, wages have been going down for programmers. If you're going into programming to try to make good money, you're an idiot.

>For that reason, wages have been going down for programmers. If you're going into programming to try to make good money
this.be a programmer isn't like 15 years ago

Implying I’m looking for a job as a programmer and not a job as an analyst who programs for part of his job
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>Implying I’m looking for a job as a programmer and not a job as an analyst who programs for part of his job

Cheap foreigners are also replacing analysts.

I cannot into advanced programming. Dunno how to proceed.

i am reading mechanical engineering, i would say i am decent at mathematics
i tried programming and i still can not for the life of me figure out how the FUCK you link two objects to eachother
syntax is too complicated, it's worse than german

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>It's worse than German

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software engineer/cs bubble is going to pop really quick

back in 2012 class sizes were about 60-80, now class sizes are 400-500

enjoy the flooded markets for jr/entry level positions, people with 3-4 years of experience like myself are in a great position thanks to you normies falling for the software/programming meme

>back in 2012 class sizes were about 60-80, now class sizes are 400-500
this is per university btw

won't even get started on all the colleges that offer diplomas rather than degrees and how many people are doing those

pls give job

I think too much of your mental energy is spent on engineering physics shit to get good at programming right now.
But hey just keep studying and it will come.

I studied IT-project management for that reason.

Nope, only when they can’t find local talent.
I’ve never met a foreign risk analyst except for some Europeans who work for a European bank with operations in the US. And they both had multiple postgraduate degrees so didn’t come cheap.
In fact all the hiring managers in finance would much prefer hirin locally.

And I'm the consultant who is going to inevitably overcharge you when your systems/codebase become nonfunctional/deprecated as a result of hiring shitty poojeets and dmitris to do the coding for you.

In two of my five coop terms, the companies I was with had some of their shit done by pajeets for cheap, years later it's complete nonsense so they have to bring in consultants to redo the entire thing which ends up costing them more than simply hiring canadians would have.

IT is even shittier of a market. Software engineering/cs is still good IF you're good.

way more btw, one of the consultants was charging 225/hr and he was the cheapest one they could find to rebuild things

Sure, but it's not only pajeets that codes, the Chinese as well. The price of a code is going down all around, but companies still needs someone to tell them in their language what to do
I can't code for shit btw

>to you normies falling for the software/programming meme

That's why the papers don't matter, only your real skillz.

>In fact all the hiring managers in finance would much prefer hirin locally.
wrong

it's pretty obvious you live in buttfuckville, kansas. here in new york, foreigners are a huge percentage of the analyst workforce.

i really don't give a shit what some retard from canada thinks. im surprised your shithole is still considered first world.

Oh, you're a new yorker. That's why you think you know anything about an industry you've never worked in. That explains it.

If you know one(1) programming language you know them all. Just fucking Google your specific problems and look at how other people do it in open source code.

>i tried programming and i still can not for the life
give python a try, it's a beautiful language, especially for an engineer, a jack of all trades

If your company doesn't outsource its accounting its missing out massively. They're super cheap and because they don't understand anything your suppliers have to fight for their invoices with retards and some just never get paid. its the dream

Here are my observations:

Companies that hired pajeets/chinks/dimitris to save money are now regretting it quite a bit.

Market for jr software engineers/develops is saturated af (good luck to new graduates, only the top 20% are going to get good jobs).

Software engineers/developers that have 4+ years of experience are very much in demand.

In short, jr devs are not in demand at all, experienced devs are very, very sorely in demand and some companies will bend over to get you to come work with them.

Before I graduated I applied to about ~100 places and only got phone interviews at about 10. Of those, I made it to the irl/technical interview for about 4 of them. Got offers from 3. This was back in 2012.

After about ~3 years of work experience recruiters on linkedin won't stop harassing me. The contrast is clear.

It's true.

The paper does matter, because there are so many graduates from universities and even more from colleges and a decent amount of self taught people - resumes that don't come from top universities go straight into the trash.

When I worked at IBM (and I don't recommend anyone to work for them ever), anyone who went to college instead of university had their application automatically trashed, same goes for self taught.

>Before I graduated I applied to about ~100 places and only got phone interviews at about 10. Of those, I made it to the irl/technical interview for about 4 of them. Got offers from 3. This was back in 2012.
To shed some context to this, my gpa was about 3.8 from waterloo and I had 5 coop terms with 2 of them being in the bay area

because all the foreign talent goes the US, not a cesspool like canada.

I don't think you're doing anything but repeating Jow Forums memes here, bro.

>because all the foreign talent goes the US, not a cesspool like canada.
I am talking about both canada (ontario specifically) and american job market.

Anyone talented that isn't chained down to canada goes to america for work - I'd do it myself if I didn't already have family/friends/fiance here.

Also you're right about JR devs, but again: Only real skills matters - papers don't. It's universal.

I really like using python and python community for my Linux distro. Unfortunately, I have to reinstall it every time I start up my VM.
Any suggestions on how to fix this? I use Kali Linux.

The paper matters to getting an interview. During and after the interview phase only skill/presentation matters. Once you start working and have a year or two of experience degree does not matter.

Do not listen to this shit.

It will never get you through a programming class and won't solve a real-world programming problem. This is only what you do for last resort.

I inly know SQL and Lua.
Yes me brainlet.

Learned Python and some Java. Did some MIT online courses. But I'm too of a brainlet to actually get a job...

>OOP

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do you guys have any favorite websites for doing coding challenges? like hackerrank for example.

>apply for a job for an IT industry
>no IT specific education/course/training
>wouldn't program hello world in C without googling if my life depended on it
>tiny bit of bash and gnu/linux administrator because i'm a neckbeard when it comes to operating systems.
>basically do it just to see what would happen
>actually got the fucking job
>pay is absolutely fucking great, I'm literally earning wages you'd be expecting in Warsaw with few years worth of experience, but I live in a smaller and vastly cheaper city
>it's my second job in total
>i spend most of my day playing table tennis with my coworkers, listen to music and waste time on vidya.
>guaranteed to get a raise at the end of the year because new project manager really likes me
>the only hindus and other shitskins I have to deal with are actually americans working for american corporations that sometimes have problems with services offered by the client we do contract work for
b-b-b-b-but bubble tho

I literally earn the most out of my university year with a wide fucking margin.

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>pay is absolutely fucking great, I'm literally earning wages you'd be expecting in Warsaw with few years worth of experience, but I live in a smaller and vastly cheaper city
How much?

how many tracksuits

Well I was referring to first world countries, not poland.