Do modern Russians feel more kinship to the USSR or to Imperial Russia?

>from the backwards mud pit that was Russia at the time
Dude...it still was a backwards mud pit when Stalin keeled over and had actually regressed in some ways from the late tsarist era.

are you legitimately saying that he didn't industrialize Russia, or that Russia isn't industrialized today?

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>im a trotskyist
I bet you're a jew. Also trotsky was a moron.

>we socialists

Considera el suicidio.

not a jew

Russia is what Italy would've been like if they did not have pretty buildings, modern highways and mediterranean climate.
Not much difference otherwise.

@96042212
no me puedo ni empezar a imaginar lo retrasado que sos.
no me hables mas, sucio.

Putin is trying to merge these two into some sort of amalgamation in people's minds
So Soviets are adored for winning the WW2 but last tsar is considered a martyr and Hitler is demonized and so forth
I just wish our people never went full retard with trusting the communists, this was horrible.
Putins government appears to be somewhat competent at solving foreign policy related tasks but they do so at the expense of Russian people.
Government is corrupt to the bone and responsible for many issues plaguing Russia today. There's no politics inside of Russia, it's a one party state. Misappropriation and embezzlement of things like pension funds is among routine official policies of the government, imagine what kind of money they steal behind close doors

no not really

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I wouldn't call modern Russia capitalist, it's socialist than anything. All of the largest corporations are state backed, owned by oligarchs who do dirty shit for their emperor and in return the privilege of leasing and operating state corporations.

>Putins government appears to be somewhat competent at solving foreign policy related tasks but they do so at the expense of Russian people.
>Government is corrupt to the bone and responsible for many issues plaguing Russia today. There's no politics inside of Russia, it's a one party state. Misappropriation and embezzlement of things like pension funds is among routine official policies of the government, imagine what kind of money they steal behind close doors
So in other words, Russia is pretty much the same as it's always been.

Most of the country is ancap though
Money solves everything *wink wink*

>I'm a trotskyist
You get the bullet too traitor

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>is unironically the reason why we aren't speaking German right now
1. I remember watching a show with Red Army officers and veterans and the consensus is that they won the war in spite of Stalin not because of him. His allergy to aircraft seriously hurt them, a Soviet soldier came up with the concept of paratroopers and his purges of skilled officers was why the winter war was a clusterfuck.
2. The Germans were no where near taking over the war they wouldn't have been able to pacify all of Russia and Hitlet actually just wanted a peace treaty with the British that acknowledged German control of the continent.

aye same shit different day

>All of the largest corporations are state backed
socialism isn't when the government does stuff, it's the collective ownership of the means of production, so that it eliminates worker exploitation, which still happens in state owned companies, that's state capitalism, google it.

It doesn't matter cause 'russians' aren't really human, you know.

back to leftypol with your dumb memes

Yeah. Pretty funny, isn't?
Even though taxes aren't too bad here, rich and qualified people prefer to immigrate

Parecería que (sorpresa!) el socialismo es un cuento de hadas que no puede existir en la vida real.

@96042550
I said don't talk to me, you literal retard with absolutely no argument, and take your retarded phrases that you ate up like the shit gobbler that you are with you.

>taking away all means of production from the people and given to the state gets rid of worker exploitation
Lol, why do commies believe that the state = the people? Corruption is a thing, and it was widespread in the USSR

With time i realised that i don't actually care of direct kinship. Both of these are parts of the history. Such as Moscowian Tsardom and Rus and Novgorodian Republic. All of them matters cause, it may sounds too obvious but, that makes us what we are.
I like Yugoslavian market socialism btw, lol.

>A trotskyist calls your ideology a meme
Cringe, you're probably a posadist as well

Wasn't Russia nearly a superpower before the communist revolt?
I mean, from what I hear/read, it was a pretty rich and strong country before the red army took over.
So wouldn't tsarist russia have been better, and thus be more venerable in the eyes of current Russians?

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what are you even greentexting? I never said that.
and the state is the people if it's democratic.
not to mention that collective ownership of the means of production just means that there's no private owner taking a cut of the value generated by the worker, it doesn't mean that the workers manage or decide anything, that'd be a plus.
under socialism you can't just walk into a factory grab a fucking industrial furnace and take it home just because there's "collective ownership", that's not what it means, you absolute retard.

Anyway, all commies like our Argie friend are gladly welcome to catch a plane to the workers' paradise of Cuba where they can have two hours of electricity a day and drive 60 year old cars.

Yes, both world wars would have brought fourth a US style post WW2 boom if the Russians had let corporations do their thing.

The life of a normal person was crap, the country was poorly industrialized outside of Moscow, and Russia's land army was the only impressive military force it had.

>the state is the people
No, the state is not. There is a reason why the people of the US have put so many limits on it's government.

>implying there aren't socialist aliens living among us right now
fuck off already

>takes 5 words out of context to have an argument with them like a legitimate retard
keep reading, mong.

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How's your economy doing?

I'm not even sure if this retarded post is ad hominem or a strawman.

>socialist aliens
A fucking unironic posadist, right into my cringe compilation

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>The life of a normal person was crap
isn't that just about everyone that was a peasant or economically similar to a peasant in other countries too?
>the country was poorly industrialized outside of Moscow
that wasn't necessarily a bad thing, you know.
although in comparison to everyone else with their fancy industrialization, then yeah, but only because they were a bit behind in that sense.

Sure. We also had legal firearms, drugs and brothels before communists took over.
The problem was with the complete inadequacy of the last tsar. He could have killed every single communist before it was too late, but he hadn't.

But I gotta add that living standards for commoners were really shitty especially when compared to westerners
Communist promised to solve this by redistribution of economic assets ("give lands and factories to the people", as they called it) and people believed them

It was shit. Peasants were pretty much slaves
>literacy rate map
We had it good tho

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I heard that Russian administration of Finland was for the most part not worse than Swedish one. Can you confirm this?

20% inflation is fine mate

Autonomy is not illiterate russian rule.

There was no "russian administration" here. Everything was let as it is, since the administration system etc. was seen as better to what Russians had. Russia didn't try to force their shit here other than just at the end. But then the WW1 started and stopped the process

Most people here are still communists and provided this fucking country is still ruled by ex-commies or KGB officers I'd say USSR. But USSR in turn was only a proxy/"red blanket" for Russian Empire with bolsheviks/chekists in place of aristocracy it doesn't make a big difference at the end of the day.
Russia is to be nuked anyw.

Like for example Russian wasnt even used in the administration. It wasnt even an official langauge here

>Even Stalin?

Literally the only time the USSR was any good.

*gdp halfs itself when communists gain control*

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>Wasn't Russia nearly a superpower before the communist revolt?
>Lose against an Asian country that still fought with swords and armors 40 years before

But some tax money went to Russia and there were no interstate borders, right?
I need to read up on this though
I remember that things weren't as good as you describe in Poland

>US gdp doubles conveniently during WW2

Weird.

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Well Russians couldnt move here that i know- WE also had our own currency, customs etc. Pretty much what Russia did was to dictate the foreign policy

>losing or winning wars means you're not a superpower despite it being a massive and powerful country

That'd be the equivalent of France giving up territory to Morocco

>built an actual industrialized worker's state from the backwards mud pit that was Russia at the time
Russia would have industrialized under any regime. It had more to do with the advance and availablity of technology than any political changes you dumb fuck.

If you look very carefully at 20th century history you will notice that damn near every single place on the planet went through an unprecedented population and economic boom regardless of political system.

russia suffered an economical crisis and got damaged in 1st world war and in the war with japan right before revolution