America's a shit hol-

But my state is unironically a shithole.
The largest city is decent but the shiftiness surrounding it drags it down

also i think these sorts of charts are a good comparison for people who live here. like we're aware that kentucky as a whole is a fucking shithole no matter where you are, yet it's still better than france? yeah as a country we're not as high as our individual states but it still tells us a lot about other countries. like for example, norway must be really, really, really god damn nice and i'd suck a hefty cock to live there

>reality is that we have niggers and have to deal with them. another reality is that most white people don't live anywhere near niggers and don't have to deal with them on a personal basis, especially in the south where segregation is still very much (de facto) in place
Other countries have poor and stupid people driving down the average as well.
Yet noone but Americans and Chinese think it's fair to remove them from official statistics to show "haha we better than u"

>I have no gf I'm so lonely please love me
Ok, I'll love you a lot. But in exchange, you must shut the fuck up.

>America
>Better than anything

At least if your wife just dies during childbirth you save on half the bill

you really don't, not anywhere near our level. your country is 97% white polish, it is completely intellectually dishonest to compare the two. for example, the >be american get shot meme? yeah like 90% of gun homicides are black on black gang violence. they make us look bad in ways the entire 3% non polish population of your country could never do

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare

oh did you want to talk about quality of healthcare?

The massive issue with comparing individual states is that inter-state trade EXTREMELY contributes to the numbers a state has. Saying a state and coutnry are similar in HDI is retarded because if Mississippi or New York didn't have the huge benefit of being a part of the US nation and great benefits and exclusivity states have in regards to interstate trade.

Like Quebec independance is flimsy as fuck because know one knows what the hell will happen once it goes independence and it loses a ton of federal benefits and inter provincial trade and having to take on federal responsibilities onto itself!.

That DOES NOT MATTER. you fraud. Other nations have worse problems yet they still include everything. The ability to exclude parts of your nation in regards to national stats renders the ENTIRE POINT OF THE STATISTICS USELESS.

Wait I thought New York was in New England.
Anyway, New England is only nicer because of the immense amount of money there. If you exclude money New England is shittier than every comparable/neighbouring part of Canada. For example the safest place in America is Maine/Vermont and they still have a slightly higher murder rate than Newfoundland/New Brunswick.

>That DOES NOT MATTER. you fraud. Other nations have worse problems yet they still include everything.

I never said we shouldn't, if we're comparing entire countries then we should have to take our good with our bad, and we have a lot more bad than other developed nations. Thing is, our "good" is better than other developed nations, and our "bad" is worse than other developed nations. I'd rather be middle class here than in Denmark, but if I were poor then almost ANYWHERE in Europe would be better than here.

Point is, I agree that if we're comparing countries as a whole we have to own up to our shit but if we're speaking on an individual "do I live better than you" basis, charts like these (this one is outdated though and the top states would be higher now) are helpful

>most oppressed citizens
that would be gamers

Maine and Vermont also have twice the population of Newfoundland/NB, and I get that you're going to say "per capita" but the more people there are the higher the chance of violence will be, so per capita is a bit skewed. If you have a hamlet with 10 people and a city with a million, the city will ALWAYS have a higher murder rate per capita since people in the town of 10 are far less likely to murder each other. more people increases the probability of violence.

what income puts you in the american middle class?

I'd say the very low end is like $40,000 USD, that's what most 4 year college jobs start out paying for example. I mean you can make $100,000 out of college but that is by no means average. Apparently my family is slightly above middle class since we earn more than 118k and google is telling me that's the middle class cap, neat

>the more people there are the higher the chance of violence will be, so per capita is a bit skewed.
It's got nothing to do with it. The most violent places in Canada are among the least populated. People who live in rural Canada are far less hesitant than city dwellers to kill or wound themselves or each other.

average american family gathering

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It's not really an income thing. A lot of people think it is and a lot of people think 99% of the population is middle class, but it's bullshit.
A garbage man is definitely working class and he can make 70k in Ontario.

>It's got nothing to do with it.
it does though, or at least can - here's some decent reading on it nycdatascience.com/blog/student-works/pressure-cooker-higher-population-densities-increase-crime/

there are plenty of sources that i could have linked that affirm what i'm saying but this one seems fairly middle of the road

that's not how income brackets work

Not average, the kids are not mulattos

i make 50k USD net income as a freelancer programmer
so am i american middle class now?

i imagine my living expenses are way lower than yours as well cuz the average wage is 15k here

at 50k yes you would be, but for example if you were a freelance programmer here you'd be making somewhere in the ballpark of $90-120k. wages are much higher here

Good job user

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then consider melbourne london toronto etc alone too

>you'd be making somewhere in the ballpark of $90-120k. wages are much higher here

i know, software developers wages seem overinflated in the US imo
the work really isn't that difficult at all
i work 20h a week and live in a nigger free safe country so it has its perks

again, not really a fair comparison given overall country demographics. canada maybe, but isn't like 85% of australia white?

but yes, i'll entertain you with canada - compare their "nice areas" to our "nice areas" and we'll come out on top on some and i'm sure they'll come out on top on others

if you made 90-120k here you could also live very far from niggers. 120k here could get you a 5-6 bedroom house in many states (pic related is something you could get if it weren't in the vicinity of a big city), or a really really nice apartment in a big city. both places where black people can't afford to live.

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>the work really isn't that difficult at all

Neither is speaking Chinese when you master it.

>that's not how income brackets work
No, but it's how class works.
He didn't say middle income

>it does though, or at least can
Cities have crime because they're filled with brown people. You put a bunch of non-whites in a rural area they go bonkers. Whites can barely handle it.
The only reason Vermont and Maine have such low murder rates is they're 95% white. You put those people in a city, murder rate would half.

what about your healthcare? as a freelancer you'd have to pay for your own insurance right? i imagine that shit is expensive af

anyway i'm pretty happy where i'm currently at my yearly expenses this year were about 18k ish (and i don't live frugally at all) the rest got put in index funds

how can that house be only 120k though i thought property was expensive af where all the six figures jobs are

>smaller parts
>t. country who's economy is smaller than california's despite having double the population
French economy literally BTFO by chinks, jews, faggots, and spics.

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Americans make way too much money in general. Real wages there are 30% higher than Canada. Literally the difference of a few hundred meters.

>No, but it's how class works.
>He didn't say middle income
"lower/middle/upper class" refers to income brackets, not social class

>Cities have crime because they're filled with brown people.
not just brown people but undereducated brown people since the only people getting educated in cities are whites, jews, and asians. crime goes down with education.

but really, the main factor is because it's an area where a large group of people congregate.

not really sure as i've never done freelance work, but it doesn't matter as you don't have to be freelance to make that kind of money. in fact you're probably better off not being freelance since you're guaranteed money and benefits with a company.

i never said the house was 120k, i said if you make 120k you could afford it. the house itself could be anywhere from 300-400k (not near a big, expensive city) to 1-2 million (near or in a big, expensive city)

>"lower/middle/upper class" refers to income brackets, not social class
Class is class and income is income.
Just because you can't tell the difference doesn't mean there isn't one.
A whore can make 200k a year, doesn't make her upper middle class.

>A whore can make 200k a year, doesn't make her upper middle class.
it literally does though, we don't have a fucking english class system here. when we say "middle class" or "upper class" we are specifically and only referring to an income bracket. nobody uses that shit to describe a behavior or the prestige of a job, this isn't feudal england

we just call things trashy, respectable etc

lel

just

This is misleading. I've been to Italy.

Or they'll justify it by saying that blacks don't count as REAL humans or REAL Americans.

hello nigger

>yeah like 90% of gun homicides are black on black gang violence.
IIRC gang violence total doesn't make up that much of the number.

but the term has a history of being used that way- you can't just say he is wrong using it that way. Also i often see people using class in his way. So it's not true that everyone uses your definition.

Cringe

we're talking about america, this is how the terms are used in america

Why is Wyoming so developed?

it's not, the entire state has 2 escalators and they're in the same building.

it's just that there are so few people there and they're almost all white so naturally life is pretty quiet and calm

Oh boy what a surprise that obscene funding from insane prices can afford the best medical equipment. Just too bad for you if you can’t afford it.

i can, not a nigger or otherwise poor, i have health insurance

does HDI not take into account smell?

Calling it a unscheduled rapid disassembly won't make the rocket any less exploded.