Hanpu (Chinese: 函普; pinyin: Hánpǔ) or Hambo (Korean: 함보), later Wanyan Hanpu, was a leader of the Jurchen Wanyan clan in the early tenth century. According to the ancestral story of the Wanyan clan, Hanpu came from Goryeo (Korea) when he was sixty years old, reformed Jurchen customary law, and then married a sixty-year-old local woman who bore him three children. His descendants eventually united Jurchen tribes into a federation and established the Jin dynasty in 1115. In 1136 or 1137, Hanpu was retrospectively given the temple name Jin Shizu (金始祖), or "first ancestor of Jin."
>Wiman Joseon (194–108 BC) was part of the Gojoseon period of ancient Korean history.Wiman was a military leader from the state of Yan under the Chinese dynasty. post yfw china was literally the owner of korea
>Hanpu came from Goryeo (Korea) when he was sixty years old, reformed Jurchen customary law, and then married a sixty-year-old local woman who bore him three children
>60 year old woman >not menopause
Angel Rodriguez
turn off the proxy you brainlet
Jeremiah Morris
>>"waah stop posting facts" >lel
Ian Roberts
let's post facts >Chinese scholars have debated the ethnicity of Hanpu. They usually agree that Hanpu's "coming from Goryeo" does not mean he was of Goryeo ethnicity, since the Goryeo territory was populated by several ethnic groups.[14] The people of the time did not always distinguish between state and ethnic group, so that in modern terms Hanpu may have been a Jurchen from the state of Silla, a man of Goryeo, or a Silla man.[15]
Kevin Moore
the "gojosen" aka gija joseon was also founded by a prince of chinese shang dynasty, gija, who migrated to there with his people to begin with.
Lucas Jenkins
"Agolta (阿骨打) of the Jurchens declared to be the Emperor, ... He was originally a person of Silla (新羅人)" 女真阿骨打稱帝,姓王名做旻,本新羅人,號完顏氏 (in 3 宣和遺事 (大宋宣和遺事))
"Jurchen Agolta named the state Great Jin (大金) (... He is originally a person of Silla)." 女真阿骨打稱帝國號大金(...本新羅人) (in《佛祖歷代通載》卷19)
There are lots of history records showing that the originator of Jin dynasty was a Silla person (or from Goryeo)
"The originator of Wonan family (Jin's royal family) is a person of Silla" 完顏之始祖指蒲者,新羅人 (in 大宋遗民)
"The name of the originator of Jin is Hambo. He came first from Goryeo (髙丽)" 金之始祖諱函普初從高麗來 ( in 大金國誌 written by Song Chinese)
"The originator of Jin, Hambo was first from Goryeo." 金之始祖諱哈富(舊作函普)初從髙麗來 (in 三朝北盟會編 written by Song Chinese)
Mongol and Korean records are consistent showing that the originator and the king of Jin dynasty are Silla persons. Goryeo claimed that Jin dyansty was originally inside Goryeo and they were people of Goryeo, and Goryeo was the mother country of Jin dynasty
"People of Jin was originally Pyungjoo people in our country Goyreo. Goryeo was a mother country of Jin." 金則本我國平州之人, 稱我爲父母之國, 尹灌築九城之地, 以先春嶺爲界, 終金之世, 兵不相加。(高麗史 written by Korean dynasty)
"The king of Jurchens is originally a Silla person" 其初酋長本新羅人 (in 金志 written by Mongols in Yuan dynasty)
Alexander Sanchez
That is a very interesting story, China. Thank you for sharing with the group!
Anthony Sanchez
When Jin dynasty invaded Song China, two Chinese emperors were captured as hostages in 1127. Song Chinese visited Jin dynasty to negotiate with Jin to find a way to get their emperors back in 1129. They recorded that the king of Jin dynasty (the second empeor of Jin) was a person of Silla . It shows that the royal family of Jurchen was called Silla people even after Jin dynasty was founded.
"The king of the Jurchens is a person of Silla." 女真酋長乃新羅人 (in 松漠記聞 (洪皓, 宋), 1129, written by Song Chinese)
Qing government published their own history book, "The origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考)" in 1777. They wrote that the originator of Jin dynasty was first from Goryeo in the book. Also, they wrote that the origin of the country name Jin (金) was from the surname of kings of Silla(新羅).
"The name of the originator of Jin is Hambo. He came first from Goryeo (髙丽)" 金之始祖讳哈富(旧作函普)初从髙丽来 (in Chapter 7, The Origin of Manchu (滿洲源流考) )
"The name of Jin(金) was originated from the surname of Kings of Silla(新羅)" 新罗王金姓则金之逺派 (in The Origin of Manchu )
"Silla came to Wannan family. Silla kings' surname 金 (Kim in Korean) inherited ten generations. So, Jin (金) came from Silla. There is no doubt that it became the country name." "本自新羅來姓完顔氏 新羅王金姓 相傳數十世則金之自新羅來 無疑建國之名 "(in The Origin of Manchu)
Isaiah Gray
>chinese scholars
Yeah theyre gonna be biased. Anyone can make their own interpretations. In terms of primary sources, seeAnd
Oliver Evans
women may not enter menopause till they reach their 60s you utter brainlet. also you forgot to turn on your proxy
lel do you have anymore on-the-spot ""research"" you did that you'd like to contribute. he was a 60 year old man from silla. he was obviously korean
Andrew Wood
chinks btfo
Aaron Martinez
Whatever it was back then, it has no bearing on my life.
Isaiah Wood
Literally all your claimed sources are that they are from silla/goryeo, like the Jap said, even if they are from that part doesn't mean they are Korean or have Korean blood, beside, the jurchens and the Koreans had border conflict and wars for centuries. And the wanyan family, whom you claim to be Korean, had led a number of anti-korean campaigns, and your so called Manchu breatherns disliked the Koreans as a whole and led many campaigns invading Korean, Koreans even called Manchurians barbarian, if Manchus and Koreans are the same people then I guess both ethnicity are equally barbaric. I don't know why Koreans like to claim whoever buttfucked them and raped them to be part of their people, I presume that's because Koreans are inbred incest lovers, and in a few hundred years Koreans will claim Japanese to be Korean descdents via some obsecure reference.
John Phillips
Also >One guy lived in the current day Korean territory >Must because his whole ethnic group is korean
Blake Bailey
>in a few hundred years Koreans will claim Japanese to be Korean descdents via some obsecure reference they are already doing it
Julian Clark
>Literally all your claimed sources are that they are from silla/goryeo, like the Jap said, even if they are from that part doesn't mean they are Korean or have Korean blood
Nice mental gymnastics. Some sources say literally Silla person not just from Silla. All those sources that say the same thing and you still in denial. Guess what also. No shitt there were possibly multiple ethnicity in Silla/Goryeo. Guess who they became today? Koreans. Laslty, the Jin and Song and Mongols and Goryeo all say Jin were Silla BUT modern chinese know better, right?
>beside, the jurchens and the Koreans had border conflict and wars for centuries. And the wanyan family, whom you claim to be Korean, had led a number of anti-korean campaigns, Lmao first of all they sure as hell liked Goryeo waaaaaaaaaaaay more than China (hint: Jingkang incident). Second whether there were border fighting and etc isnt important because border conflict and even domestic conflict was a way of life for all of history. Also jurchens had multiple different tribes. Some friendly others not
>and your so called Manchu breatherns disliked the Koreans as a whole and led many campaigns invading Korean, Koreans even called Manchurians barbarian, if Manchus and Koreans are the same people then I guess both ethnicity are equally barbaric. I dont claim manchus as korean so i dont care about this.
> I don't know why Koreans like to claim whoever buttfucked them and raped them to be part of their people, wtf are you for real? Look in the mirror. Biggest case of pot calling kettle black ive ever seen
>I presume that's because Koreans are inbred incest lovers, Is this some kind of projecting because koreans are much less mixed than mullato Chinese?
>and in a few hundred years Koreans will claim Japanese to be Korean descdents via some obsecure reference. But they are ;)
Asher Nguyen
diversity is our strength
Matthew Watson
I'll admit uyghur girls are very pretty. Anyway last post for me. google captcha is being a fucking bitch with the constant disappearing checkmarks so minus well sleep. Yall niggas can get in last word i dont care
Brody Cooper
Why do chinks, gooks and japs spend so much time debating shit that happens literally hundreds if not thousands of years old? What possible relevance does any of it have to your life?
t. le english teacher
Colton Garcia
lel you dumbass chink. you're the retard pretending manchu and mongolians were chinese. korea was never conquered as proven by the fact that koreans have the least genetic variation in asia. stop projecting your own mutt dna on other races
Samuel Johnson
Asians will try to use everything and anything to one-up others. So people feel an autistic need to "defend" their country and "attack" other countries using obscure arguments about history.
Dylan Russell
Insecurity and autism.
Angel Allen
chinese =/= han so manchurians, mongolians, zhuangs, korean, etc that born and raised in china for generations are chinese. your point is invalid.
Zachary Peterson
Nationalism is a self-enforcing social construct.
Jordan Miller
t. Literal slave state of China for 3000 years and counting
no, their ethnic background and dna differs from chinese dna. are you saying that if a group of africans lived in china for generations that they'd be considered chinese >"no" then stfu
Anthony Ross
WE
Alexander Sanchez
that's mostly gooks though. japan and china rarely contend for ancient history. gooks have a historical inferiority complex, so they can't help doing we wuz conquerorz and shit and peddling their nationalist narrative. this is also why nobody takes gook historians and academia seriously outside korea, especially in japan and china.
>Haplogroup C-RPS4Y711 was present in Korea and Manchuria at moderate frequencies: higher than in populations from southeast Asia, but lower than those in the northeast, which may imply a northern Asian expansion of these lineages, perhaps from Mongolia or Siberia.
no, japs are the ones trying to distort history. japs literally burned and destroyed historical documents in china and korea to try and distort the historical narrative. nobody takes jap historians seriously. there was literally a jap archaeologist who got caught making fake artifacts
William Peterson
>implying china is a ethno-state >implying even han is a uniformed group also like i said china=/= han, so if a group of africans lived in china for generations they would be considered chinese.
Jaxson King
>which may imply lel. furthermore that doesn't refute the fact that korea has the purest dna in asia at all
>Although their Mohe ancestors did not respect dogs, the Jurchens began to respect dogs around the time of the Ming dynasty and passed this tradition on to the Manchus. It was prohibited in Jurchen culture to use dog skin, and forbidden for Jurchens to harm, kill, or eat dogs. The Jurchens believed that the "utmost evil" was the usage of dog skin by Koreans.[54]
Even back then the gooks got called out for being dog-eaters, and by the very same people they are now we-wuzing.
>around the time of the Ming dynasty lel that's centuries after the jin dynasty you dumb faggot. is there anymore on-the-spot '''research''' you wanted to share or are you done being retarded
Doesn't change the fact that the Jurchen language is tungusic (i.e. siberian) which is a completely different language family than gook and their culture was much closer to the mongols.
>Nurhaci once said to the Mongols that "the languages of the Chinese and Koreans are different, but their clothing and way of life is the same. It is the same with us Manchus (Jušen) and Mongols. Our languages are different, but our clothing and way of life is the same."
Jack Morgan
Post more うさクソ、바랍니다。
Owen Bennett
no, even a chinese professor claimed that because of the royal family from silla, the jurchens adopted korean language and culture
Josiah Sanchez
lol good one, korea has no culture. Now how about explaining how you wuz jurchens despite the jurchens having a completely unrelated language.
>japs literally burned and destroyed historical documents in china and korea to try and distort the historical narrative it's your inferiority complex that causes this kind of obsession. you pretty much proved my point. >there was literally a jap archaeologist who got caught making fake artifacts and japan prosecuted the swindler for fabrication meanwhile in korea every historian/archaeologist is as bad as him, peddling fabrications and fantasies all the time, and yet you don't take any measure; on the contrary you literally encourage them as patriots.
homogeneity =/= purity also, korea has a long history of being a vassal that had to transfer young women to masters as a tribute, which could cause a genetic convergence.
>黄文雄 that's written by a taiwanese, and actually has a point. remember you are literally on a website founded by a guy who adored japan.
anyway, this op's argument, jin is a gook dynasty, is a classic gook wetdream already debunked many times. pic related pretty much shows how retarded gook arguments are: by the gook logic and chinese dynastic records they employ, korea would be chinese from the beginning. gojoseon was founded by chinese exiles and royals, and silla was founded by chinese exiles.
>posting random chink scribbles look i can do it too "gooks are fags" 金之始指蒲女真阿 ( in 本稱帝國 written by Song Chinese)
Samuel Cruz
이 시발 븅신같은 국뽕새끼야 허구헌날 넷우익과 싸우더니 또 시발 개씹소리 하고 자빠졌네
이 좆같은년아 좀 꺼져 너 넷우익 하고 싸우는거보면 맨날 털려서 다른 한국인이 자료까지 만들어 반박하던데 이 좆같은놈아 좀 아가리 닫고 살아
Christopher Howard
>"le korea has no culture xD" whats funny is that chinks are so devoid of culture that they've started copying korean tv dramas, movies, music, tech, etc.
>jurchens having a completely unrelated language you don't even know what the jurchen language sounded like you dolt. the jurchens were under korean governance before for even longer than they were under chinese governance
Christopher Hernandez
did you seriously say that China has no culture you yellow nigger?
Jackson Perry
>inferiority complex that causes this kind of obsession no it's your inferiority complex that causes you to defend jap war crimes and how japs burned historical documents
>in korea every historian/archaeologist is as bad as him lel stop projecting
>homogeneity =/= purity korean dna is objectively the purest in asia. don't even talk about 'vassal' when japs were the actual vassals and had geishas and shit
Benjamin Foster
I'm Tumen Manchurian
Eli James
>mullato Chinese?
I don't get this. China is a huge country with a huge empire althoughout its history. Parts of its empire in history extended from coast of Beijing all the way to borders of Persia.
How are you going to compare a small country like Korea whose people are stuck inbreeding with each other in a peninsula with a multi-region Empire who conquered other people and expanded their borders?
we do know what the jurchen langauge is like and there's evidence that it is close to manchurian
Brody Moore
stop taking things so personally
꺼져 븅신새끼
Dylan Hughes
>present you with facts LMAO WHY SO MAD DONT TAKE IT SO PERSONALLY >when people ignore you HAHA CHINK BTFO'd you
Owen Perez
how about you tell your fellow chinese to stfu and there wouldn't be any need for these type of threads in the first place
Hudson Green
you started this thread tho
Adam Perez
because some dumb chinese kid said stupid shit in a different thread
Lucas Campbell
so manchurian is closer to beijing han than korean, thanks for proof LOL
why did korean steal our ancient culture and language LOL
Nolan Lewis
turn off the proxy, jim
Zachary Morales
that was also me
Jayden Peterson
no one cares you fucking slants
Adrian Bailey
Blind Ching Chong?
Owen Roberts
It was the manifestation of the inferiority feeling that Japan had a short history of Japan when Japan burned tens of thousands of Korean history books.
Ethan Adams
the real question is always the same “What are true China and Chinese?”
Owen Sullivan
you are blind. light blue and dark blue portion of beijing han match manchuria almost perfectly. this pathetic larping of korean as superior manchu must stop.
You will never be manchu. You never was manchu. You are just mutated southern branch of protomanchu. We are true successor of manchu.
true chinese descend from near the yellow river
Brandon Martinez
more like it's a manifestation of inferiority complex that gooks believe the myth while the truth was exactly the opposite (pic related). being a historyless post colonial state with a miserable history and identity crisis, you are obsessed with a pseudo long history, larp as what you weren't in order to extend your history and historical relevance, and project your inferiority complex on japan, which is literally the oldest extent monarchy you are jelly of.
>The Japanese monarchy is claimed to be the oldest continuous hereditary monarchy in the world.[3] The imperial house recognizes 125 monarchs beginning with the legendary Emperor Jimmu (traditionally dated to 11 February 660 BC) and continuing up to the current emperor, Akihito; see its family tree. >Historical evidence for the first 29 emperors is marginal by modern standards, but there is firm evidence for the hereditary line since Emperor Kinmei ascended the throne 1,500 years ago.[4]
