Why are young Americans dropping Nordic-style social democracy and instead favoring Marxist (DSA) democratic socialism?
Why are young Americans dropping Nordic-style social democracy and instead favoring Marxist (DSA) democratic socialism?
Zachary Gomez
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Joshua Perry
They lived through the 2008 depression and trumponomics is about to plunge us into even bigger recession.
Anthony Miller
Because they're fucking morons, who don't understand basic economics, and are instead drawn to the "new" "hip" and "cool" counterculture movement
Logan Ortiz
Based and REDpilled.
Aaron Stewart
Marxism is a literal communist ideology and hence a totaltarian one. It is anything but democratic, you utter brainlet.
Dominic Evans
But the US economy is doing fine but it would have been better if Trump was less anti-trade.
Bentley Gutierrez
How does a state wither?
Alexander Lopez
It's the Marxists in that are calling themselves Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).
Levi Morales
I thought democratic socialists want to reach a totalitarian socialist state through democratic instead of revolutionary means
Anthony Brooks
Nigger what
Gabriel Cruz
>the us economy is doing fine
You would have been right a month ago.
Dylan Roberts
It's doing meh rn. If Trump was more favorable towards free trade, it would be doing even better
Adrian Murphy
social democracy isn't edgy or extreme enough, you don't see social democrats throwing riots or vandalizing stuff
Jose Peterson
marxism is not an ideology, it is a scientific field
Joseph Russell
Aren't they trading shirts for sugar and jeans for rice in Argentina right now?
Thomas Taylor
so this
But that also means that just like any science some experiments may fail due to both internal (incompetent scientists) and external factors (deliberate sabotage)
Ryder Scott
>Marxism is a literal communist ideology and hence a totaltarian one.
Isaac Carter
Manliness?
Ian Sanders
Its because the DSA completely understands the confusion young people have between "social democracy" and "democratic socialism", and they use this to push their agenda and gather votes and support. It's why people like Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders say "Democratic Socialism" while pointing to countries like yours or Sweden or Germany as examples of "Democratic Socialism." This then pushes the new trend of "people need to stop being afraid of socialism!" which just then sets up the next generation and the one after to fully swallow the "abolish capitalism" pill.
Christian Reyes
t npc
Nathan Perez
This guy gets it
Logan Butler
No he doesn’t. Bernie, OC and DSA are all socdems, although DSA does have some radical elements.
Adrian Taylor
I think Marx contributed a lot to the understanding how society work, but it feels to me that he was mistaken in some regards.
For example, am not sure that idea of value being created by labor is correct
Samuel Phillips
>For example, am not sure that idea of value being created by labor is correct
That was Adam Smith’s idea.
Jonathan Gray
>young Americans
>dropping Nordic-style social democracy as if it was present in US and as if it solved any problem
>favoring Marxist (DSA) democratic socialism
>while participating in legal election process
Jaxson Sanders
This. In the USA, social democracy is called communism. Anything below Gini 0.99 is called socialism.
Jaxon Baker
Not.
There was several theories of values but everyone knows Marx is the one who came with the revolutionary idea that labor was the source of value.
Jordan Brown
To be fair even some revolutionary Marxists participated in elections, including the Bolsheviks.
Alexander Gutierrez
Jace Howard
Bernie is a socdem by platform, but still uses the term "democratic socialism" when campaigning. OC and the DSA do believe in the abolition of capitlism which makes them demsoc and not socdem. People like Bernie, OC, and their voters are useful idiots for the DSA and their agenda.
Ayden Kelly
Yes, but when there were real democratic elections. For example, soviets of labor and military deputees.
Wyatt Jackson
>OC and the DSA do believe in the abolition of capitlism which makes them demsoc and not socdem.
Sauce? Keep in mind that DSA is highly decentralized and has numerous factions of varying degrees of radical. Their leadership is notoriously moderate however, even giving an honourary leadership position to CIA agent Gloria Steinem, and electing a cop to another position.
Hunter Mitchell
pic related is from this Vox article:
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The DSA about page used to have a quote that said something like "While we can't get rid of capitalism over night, we can take the steps now to..." however that blurb seems to be gone now
Nathan Butler
Based.
Ian Williams
>limp-wristed jabroni-ism is based
Ryan Moore
Because the current system doesn’t work for them so they want radical change and think communism will magically fix the problems.
Blake Morris
Abolishing cuckitalism is based, I don’t care how it gets done.
Hudson Thomas
I want inefficient ancient Athenian democracy
Ryan Walker
Google Bookchin.
Ayden Martin
because peopke want an escape from Liberalism but the right wing is far too cucked by international finance
Christian White
>mfw only American Juche can defeat the globalists.
Cameron Bell
Sorry leaf, but an AI controlled fascist economy is more likely to replace glorious chaditalism than your crusty shit. Might as well accrue as much capital now as to join the glorious uppercrust in the sun when the singularity happens
Alexander Gray
M8 commies literally wrote the book on cybernetically planned economies.
Kevin Evans
>implying cyberstalin won't strong man it from your prole hands and usher in glorious AI FASH
Dominic Phillips
they are unironically driven by twitter and media covers shitty twitter dramas
twitter feeds a partisan hivemind and a group think like cultural revolution/class struggle. id call it internet marxism
Carson Campbell
>implying fash have the necessary number of brain cells to operate a supercomputer
Josiah Gomez
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>anti-natsoc
>anti-capitalist
>pro-america
Joshua Gutierrez
class warfare doesnt really appeal to Americans. However, nationalistic class collaboration does, embracing autarky, dethroning international finance, and making use of our vast domestic resources IS appealing.
hopefully the AltRight becomes a gateway drug to this.
Robert Wright
>But the US economy is doing fine
lol no
Ag is practically on the verge of going tits up, most service jobs are straight up not keeping up to inflation, the shrinking middle class and more and more seasonal or temporary jobs rather than actual work people can make careers of, etc. etc.
US of A is by no means all Hunky Dorey just because Wall Street's turning a profit
Kevin Parker
fash has to be shot to death, whereas socialism can just be allowed to collapse on it's own
Justin Ramirez
They're actually social democrats, not democratic socialists. It's just that Americans get confused with political terms (such as the way they use "liberal").
Justin Roberts
>implying capitalism isn’t systematically incapable of combatting international finance
>implying most Americans don’t hate Wall Street parasites
>implying porkies aren’t the enemies of the American nation
>implying the only answer isn’t Juche/Nazbol with American characteristics
Luke Bell
they had enough braincells to capture che and kill his monkey ass
Luke Miller
>implying that the Soviets weren’t fighting against the entire world decades before Nazi cucks declared war on literally everybody
Dominic Diaz
Functionally all DSA does is shill for "progressive democrats" and DSA morons tell themselves that they can make the Democratic party socialist if enough "progressives" win
Juan Moore
And now Comrade Morales rules Bolivia.
Carter Bennett
>>implying capitalism isn’t systematically incapable of combatting international finance
under Liberal Capitalism it is not, under Fascist Corporatism it is
>>implying most Americans don’t hate Wall Street parasites
you and i agree
>>implying porkies aren’t the enemies of the American nation
the rootless financier who profits off volatility is the enemy, not the American-born producer and owner who benefits from domestic stability
>>implying the only answer isn’t Juche/Nazbol with American characteristics
the answer is orthodox Fascism
Kayden Diaz
And Mister Putin rules the Motherland
Oliver Allen
>the rootless financier who profits off volatility is the enemy, not the American-born producer and owner who benefits from domestic stability
Americans are overrepresented among the global elite you dumb nigger. Capitalism (including corporatism) systematically selects for the very traits you claim to oppose. Any form of capitalism will benefit people who display this traits at the expense of people who do not. Even if you set up systematic barriers to regression back to liberal globalist capitalism, the logic of capital will dictate that these will be constant targets of subversion by both local and global porkies. Fascist corporatism fails for the same reason social democracy fails.