How common (if at all) is it for people in these countries to have German ancestry?

I don't know if I'm right but it seems Estonians in the early 20th century had mostly German or Germanic names?

No, all the historically relevant "Estonians" were actually German.

Then again, lots of Latvians have Germanic sounding names, because lots of people wanted to LARP as Germans in the 19th and early 20th century.

The registered German minority in Poland at the 2011 national census consisted of 148,000 people, of whom 64,000
declared both German and Polish ethnicities and 45,000 solely German ethnicity.[1] At a 2002 census there were 152,900 people declaring German ethnicity.[2][3][4] In 2013, Poland's German community was estimated to be around 350,000.[5] Due to complications arising from multi-ethnic identities and previous concealment during the communist period, many people of German descent are not accounted for and some estimates number Poles of German ancestry from 400,000 to 500,000
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland

If the Baltic German situation was the same as in Estonia, modern DNA pretty much shows that there's discontinuity between Baltic Germans and local populace. City people clustered with Germans rural with Estonians, of course mixed individuals existed but they were rare, as Baltic Germans were rare themselves never exceeding 10% of population.

>We compared the low coverage genomes with each other and with relevant modern and ancient Estonian and other European populations. We find that there is a clear discontinuity between the elite and common people, where the former group genetically with modern German samples and the latter with modern Estonians. We do find three individuals of mixed genetic ancestry. But importantly we do not see a steady shift of either local population strata, which suggests limited contact between the elite and the common people.

Surname thingy is a bit more complicated, at the time surnames appeared in Latvia/Estonia 19th century clergy/official was German, and majority of them didn't bother giving native names or translating them, hence why majority of surnames have roots in German, but have no German ancestry, same here with Polish surnames.

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Poles should rectify this as soon as possible through bloodshed.

What did they compare, exactly? The level of ancestry I'm talking about is on the level of random genetic drift. One greatgreatgreatgreatgrandpa won't make you cluster with the Germans, but he would cover many thousands of modern descendants through a single mixing event.

Where is that excerpt from?

Among Germans, yes.
But you can still notice them today

Pretty sure, although Jews also got removed hard and I don't think I've ever met a Jewish person.

wow.... you take that post seriously...

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Upcoming study on population genomic history of Estonia.

>N3 and R1a are the two most common Y chromosome haplogroups among modern Estonians. R1a appears with Corded Ware culture but the arrival of hg N has not been determined. To this end we have extracted and studied aDNA from teeth of 18 individuals bracketing the changes in the material culture in the end of the Bronze and early Iron Age. We find N3 in Iron Age but not in Bronze Age. Due to the small sample size we cannot refute the existence of hg N in the latter. In genome wide analyses the Bronze Age and especially Iron Age samples appear very similar to modern Estonians implying population continuity. Christianization (13 cc AD) established a new elite of West European origin, which presumably had an impact on the genetic structure of the local population. To investigate this we extracted DNA from teeth of 35 individuals, who have been uncovered from both rural (considered local Estonian population) and town (likely of West European origin) cemeteries of Estonia. We compared the low coverage genomes with each other and with relevant modern and ancient Estonian and other European populations. We find that there is a clear discontinuity between the elite and common people, where the former group genetically with modern German samples and the latter with modern Estonians. We do find three individuals of mixed genetic ancestry. But importantly we do not see a steady shift of either local population strata, which suggests limited contact between the elite and the common people.

It's not out yet, but there are some leaks but they're in shit quality and in Estonian.

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There were a number of areas where colonists, primarily from Tirol and Swabia settled, as well as towns/cities where craftsmen from Austria settled down. The German speakers were assimilated so the locals there would be very likely to have quite a bit of German ancestry. There's not that many of us so everyone probably has someone German in his family tree somewhere down the line

Yes of course, but German Y-DNA clades aren't common at all in Baltics. And if even if you had some German ancestor like 600 years ago, it wouldn't make a dent in your overall ancestry.

>German-occupied Estonia – December 1941.[8] Reported as judenfrei at the Wannsee Conference on January 20, 1942
>and majority of them didn't bother giving native names or translating them, hence why a majority of surnames have roots in German
Most Estonian surnames didn't have German origins. Usually, peasant´s the last name was smth like Tamm or Sepp (Oak or Smith).

>The registered German minority in Poland at the 2011 national census consisted of 148,000 people, of whom 64,000
>declared both German and Polish ethnicities and 45,000 solely German ethnicity
The article doesn't account for the fact that 3/4 of these "germans" are wewuzing Silesian niggers.

>But you can still notice them today
So are there Germans around still? Or are they Croats with German surnames?
I wonder why there was no significant mixing.

Well I have German surname but my family have absolutely nothing in common with germans

Just Croats with German surnames

Do you know how your family got it?
Is there any region of Croatia where they particularly live? Do they look different from other Croatians?

>be me
>slav german mutt
It’s definitely a thing.

>excluded my country because he dislikes it
Lmao subhuman tacohead

A lot of people, due to proximity and population or territorial shifts. But almost nobody with German ancestry would admit to have it, it's very shameful and embarrassing.

I dislike Bosniak posters yes, but I just excluded your country because I'm pretty sure there's never been any significant German presence there.

>it's very shameful and embarrassing.
Why? Because of WWII?

quite common since we're historically very closely tied. i have german ancestry for example

No idea. But I think my grandgrandparents moved to Prague from mountains where most Germans lived. So it was probably covininient to have german name. But 1/3 of our population at that time was german and some areas were heavily mixed.

German surnames are normal in lands that were controlled by the Habsburgs at the time when surnames started to get used

Germans are known liars, backstabbers without any morals or virtues, they are barely considered to be humans.

I think they're more common in the continental part.
And no they don't look any different, usually surnames don't indicate your phenotype here. For example, someone with a turkish last name could be blue eyed and blond haired and someone with a german name could look dalmatian.

Very common.
A good third, if not more have german ancestry i'd say.

Wrong, there are areas formerly settled by Germans, and Bosniaks also have a fair share of Gothic ancestry
No wonder you're so biased, you'd perfectly fit among those subhumans that mean to compensate with Christianity for being brown

that's kind of true actually. we had a massive campaign of "eestifying" surnames in the 20th century. some of my ancestors changed their surname to look more estonian (ironically it saved them a decent amount of males in ww2)

How come so many of you are emigrating to Germany then?

Idk man Štravs sounds pretty slavic to me i mean german doeant even have the letter š...

Ethnic Germans should have been physically exterminated back in 1945. I don't understand why their nation was allowed to exist.

To rightfully take back our long overdue war reparations (in form of BMW and Mercedes cars)

For example we have 4700 Müllers in Czechia

With Müllerová thats almost 10k people with that surname

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Btw you don't dislike Bosniak posters since there are only 3-4 of us of which 2 are inactive or only post in their respective generals, you dislike Bosnian ones for attempting to be entertaining with their bydlo toilet humor
And you satirize an entire people for your personal asshurt feelings towards them, at least retain enough decency to be a noble enemy

You guys still change suffixes for surnames depending on gender?

There are people with Turkish last names?
>could look Dalmatian
How are Dalmatians supposed to look?
>(ironically it saved them a decent amount of males in ww2)
Because they didn't get expelled by Russians? Is your family originally Baltic German?

Is it particularly common anywhere in Hungary?
>there are areas formerly settled by Germans
Such as?
>and Bosniaks also have a fair share of Gothic ancestry
Proofs? And anyway I'm talking about modern Germans not Germanic people in general

>expelled
killed on sight or sent to gulag is a more accurate way of describing what happened to people with german surnames
>originally Baltic German?
no i don't think so. they were lowly tradesmen and farmers who came here in the beginning of 17th century. the baltic germans were more.. how to put it.. "with status"

So is your name more like a Slavified German name? What does ová mean? Son of...?

No, just that it's Ms. Müller instead of Mr. Müller.

i live in Silesia and i know tons of people with german last names

we do it too like
Kowalski - male
Kowalska - female
but it's really up to the person, if the woman decides she wants to be called Kowalski, she will be called Kowalski

>turkish last names
Bosniaks from B&H
>Dalmatians
Sometimes with noticable tanned skin, can look almost latino

>MFW turbo German surname
Hehehe, I don't even like Germans or Poles, leave my Holy Warmia alone invaders.

>Such as?
Dubrava (Königsfeld)
Nova Topola (Windthorst)
Bosanski Aleksandrovac (Rudolfstal)
Franzjosefsfeld
Prosara (Hohenberg / Hindenburg)
Zenica (Senitza)
Zepce (Scheptsche)
>Proofs?
Germanic admixture can be found pretty much everywhere in Europe, I don't see how we should be excluded, it's in fact even more prevalent than among Croats
bosnaplemenita.blogger.ba/arhiva/2012/01/05/3062445

It's pretty fucking pathetic to demonize and dehumanize an entire people, the least you could do is give me a good reason as to why I deserve to be treated like this

real germans were mostly kicked out after 45, but since historic ties and multiple waves of settlers its likely

my great grandfather was german

Oh yeah, every woman on this planet have ová in czech

Merkelová, Obamová atd.

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What's the purpose of this?

Nah its proper german

But lots of czechs have slavicized german surnames

For example best czech hockey player of all time is Jágr, which is just slavicized Jäger

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So you can tell just from name your gender

>I don't think I've ever met a Jewish person.
Lucky bastard

since middle ages western (not only German) craftsmen were settling in central European cities - to extent of where Polish became minority (fe free city of Danzig)
most of people identifying as German fled after ww2 but there is no magical way to erase 1000 years of coexistence - genetic makeup of Europeans was recently studied and documented - and its about 10% Germans had Slavic ancestry and similarly around 101% Poles had Germanic one

10% not 101 ofc

thats ironic becaue Muller comes from latin, its also most common german name

>. And if even if you had some German ancestor like 600 years ago, it wouldn't make a dent in your overall ancestry.
I didn't say it would
>Y-DNA
Would only apply to the people with direct male lineage. At 5 generations, that's 1 descendant of every 32. But the admixture would still be there so the techincal answer would still be "yes"

I think just about everyone has a negligible amount of German ancestry, but very few people have a significant amount.

everyone
the barbarian tribes of the germans raped their way from the volga to tunisia and back again

Why do braindead mongrels from the ass crack of the world always feel the irresistable compulsion to shit up every single thread with their worthless opinions?

where is the lie though?

where is the truth?

let me break it down for you
First off Y-dna records show that what I said is true of virtually all sufficiently large groups and that europeans share common ancestry at many stages of history. Second we know from written records that Germanic peoples expanded to the Volga (Rus) and Tunisia (Vandals) and virtually all places in between, and then I make the very small leap of logic that raping was done and some rapebabies are still alive. 100% factual but maybe my post was not 'polite' for big brained austrians who wish to appear wise before men

Somewhat, but not really in genetic sense, more like in surnames. Some rather common surnames here are:
>Majer
>Schaffer
>Rozman
>Draksler
>Jurman
>Nachbar
>Mencinger

>Czech republic

pretty common, there are lots of people with German or Slavicized (in terms of spelling, but clearly of German origin) surnames, it was under German rule for centuries, and up to 60 years ago one third of the population was German

So they were just adopted during Austrian rule?

True, and most other real Slovenian surnames are just translated German ones (since they often have surnames that mean something, german autism)

anyone west of the danube gas a very strong chance of germanic ancestry
even those in the south and east interbred with or are descended from pannonian saxons

Also Austrians are very similiar to Slovenians in terms of genetics, but that's because Austrians have a large slavic admixture, whether they like it or not

Can anyone tell me why did so many Germans move to Central and Eastern Europe?

How come Slovenians didn't have their own last names?

During middle ages those lands were sparsely populated, while Germany was overpopulated, so Eastern rulers invited German settlers to settle the unused lands and pay them taxes

The official language was German so all surnames were written in German. Meanwhile, house names were never written down so they were all Slovene.

>Y-dna records show that what I said is true of virtually all sufficiently large groups and that europeans share common ancestry at many stages of history
Nothing to do with germans you retard. Most of western Europe is R1b, eastern is R1a.
>Second we know from written records that Germanic peoples expanded to the Volga (Rus) and Tunisia (Vandals) and virtually all places in between, and then I make the very small leap of logic that raping was done and some rapebabies are still alive.
Yeah and Russian troops took Paris in 1814 therefore everybody in France is a Russian rapebaby. There is no genetic evidence for your bullshit. Slavs came onto the scene after the main Germanic migration waves. Rus were demographically insignificant.
>100% factual
Nothing in your delusional nostalgia wank fantasies is factual. This germanic supremacism crap is what will lead to you wh*Toid faggots dying out and the world will be a better place for it.

Isn't your people nearly extinct?

I had German great-grandfather. My family keeps it in secret, we know only because my grandmother showed the documents few years ago. In PRL times she was scared of judgement.

As far as I know, there was some Germans in my father's family, but no-one know exactly since my fathers family story isn'tcclear, and my grandfather don't want to talk about that. When I asked him about my heritage, his answers were short and very strict. I didn't wanted to bother him more.

Why is German ancestry seen as bad in Poland?

because g*rmans are bad """"""""""""people"""""""""""

Non-meme answer pls?

Nobody likes g*ermans cause they did and continue to do bad things to Poland

because they pretty much promoted a genocide of Germans living east of the oder and neisse rivers

Well, we had some troubles with germans here in Poland and there is a big untold story about people related to Germans in Poland after WWII.

Commie gov used tensions with germans as the excuse to manipulate people. Polish nation after WWII should be homogenous and accept only Russians as their friends.

>there is a big untold story about people related to Germans in Poland after WWII.
What's the story?

youtube.com/watch?v=QiTFseUXqbs

There is a lot of untold stories about people in Poland after WWII. For Western world '45 was the end of World War II, for us here, there was the continuation at least to the times when Stalin was dead. After his death, it was a bit easier.

I understand now
Interesting. Didn't know about Masurians.
Do people in Poland ever talk about them?

>For Western world '45 was the end of World War II, for us here, there was the continuation at least to the times when Stalin was dead.
how come

No, there is not much to talk about desu. This is the past. Polish people didn't had much choice, as political decisions were made in Moskva. Polish people were who asked questions were treated the same way, even worse often.

Woha xD there is a lot of history behind this, lol as we had piece and World didn't want another war with Russia, they sold Eastern Europe to Stalin. He did his crazy things here same way Hitler would do, but no-one asked questions. If you are interested go read or watch some documentaries.