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>parents have Sky HD
>wondering why the resolution looks so bad
>check behind telly
>HDMI cable is in
>scart cable is also in
>unplug scart, switch to HDMI input
>picture is now in HD
>mfw it's been this way for years

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This happened in my house too.

mammy wants to go.

I've found that parents often tend to be far more interested in conferrings than the students receiving the degree.

yeah, i'd have never thought about going if she didn't want to
>asked my dad if he wanted to come too
>told me to fuck off

They must be glad to have such a technical genius such as yourself around.

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I can't tell if he's extremely redpilled or just a dick. What say you?

That's because the education system is a totem for the older generation.

Sounds dysfunctional.

bit of both desu
>Sounds dysfunctional
it was a more pleasant response than i was expecting

Are they separated?

no

Is it just me or are there no public figures of note that are supporting a No vote on the blasphemy referendum?

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That's not the nature of the "politics" of this country anymore, if it ever was. It's just "shut up and take it".

thejournal.ie/migrants-voting-4294740-Oct2018/
>'I realised we really needed to get more involved': Migrants on how they're helping change Irish politics
Michael, get the turf.

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>Amman Ali (24), originally from Pakistan and who has been living in Ireland since 2011, is planning on going one step further and put himself forward as a Fianna Fáil candidate in the Dublin southwest inner city area.
>“It was a great experience,” he says about becoming a member of Fianna Fáil. “They accepted me, they welcome me.”
Of all the parties I expected immigrants to join, FF was not one of them. In fact, they would have been at the bottom of my list.

>Of all the parties I expected immigrants to join, FF was not one of them. In fact, they would have been at the bottom of my list.
Well most of the main parties are going to now because of legislation that's being made to make parties run 40% of their candidates as women or ethnic minorities in the local elections next year or they lose state funding.

>Of all the parties I expected immigrants to join, FF was not one of them. In fact, they would have been at the bottom of my list.
FF is a husk since the crash. They put the interests of international neoliberalism ahead of Ireland, and paid the price for it. Now it makes sense the only people who'd join it are people who weren't in Ireland in 2008.
They're the "bad cop" for the internationalist puppet rule of Ireland because they sold off the country for banker cabal usury, and FG are the "good cop" because they're the gay abortionist foreigner party.
If FF are drawing in foreigners it's only because they have already proved themselves not to care about a future for Irish children (2004,2008). FG hate us even more, but they've sold it all as a good thing because cummies are God to the NPCs. It'll also demoralise the population even more if the so-called "conservative" party has Poles and Nigerians insulting the public's already low bar of intelligence with the neoliberal line.

>40% of their candidates as women or ethnic minorities
Christ, that's a fucking dreadful idea. These quotas are being introduced far too quickly. Should be slowly rolled out over two decades are so as the political culture begins to change and proper education and encouragement at younger levels takes place.
This will just lead to a scraping the barrell approach, and perhaps women with a very narrow political idea set as opposed to the average woman who isn't currently really involved with politics. In summary, we may get loads of crazy leftie women as they tend to be more politically active traditional, compared to your average women who hasn't been brought up with a culture of political involvement.

Well I for one hope the heat is raised too quickly on the frog-pot.

I saw one on the news, but his stance was less being for blasphemy laws and more that a no vote should send a message to the government to not waste peoples time with vanity shows like this.

The last few elections in a row have all been for "vanity projects" of installing internationally-derived neoliberalism via pantomime referenda. And the farce of a "presidential election" for the farce position of "president".
Meanwhile the taoiseach was not elected to be such by anyone but FG's members. "Banana republic" indeed.

>Should be slowly rolled out over two decades are so as the political culture begins to change and proper education and encouragement at younger levels takes place.
Quotas have no place in a democracy.

Yeah, I know who you're talking about as I saw the report myself, but I can't remember his name. He's a Senator.

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Ronan Mullins (or something like that)?

We should take a leaf from the Yanks book and have fixed elections for the Dáil/Seanad every 3.5 years with a Presidential election every 7.

>Quotas have no place in a democracy.
There's literally nothing that will stop quotas if the parties all mysteriously decide at once to institute quotas, or a government passes a law saying parties and even businesses have to have such quotas.

We should abolish the presidency and "seanad" and have a Dáil election every four at most.

>And the farce of a "presidential election" for the farce position of "president".
>Meanwhile the taoiseach was not elected to be such by anyone but FG's members
/éire/pol/ pls. Let's not turn this into another /abhorrent/ Sunday night edition.

>Ronan Mullins (or something like that)?
Ronan Mullen. Thanks for jogging my memory.

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>Meanwhile the taoiseach was not elected to be such by anyone but FG's members.
Even the FG members didn't vote him, the majority of them backed Coveney, but there was a greater weight of votes going to TDs and Senators who wanted Varadkar. Even then it was another "choice" for the members of picking their puppet. It's a sad state of affairs here.
>He's a Senator.
It's probably Ronan Mullen. Jesus he must be blackpilled after the abortion referendum if even he's saying this is a waste of time.
>We should take a leaf from the Yanks book and have fixed elections for the Dáil/Seanad every 3.5 years with a Presidential election every 7.
It won't really matter with the "choice" of candidates and parties we have though.

>There's literally nothing that will stop quotas
youtube.com/watch?v=S1ZRwDft6eI

>Abolish the presidency and "seanad"
Or just actually ensure that there's a reliable separation of powers so that the Dáil can't force through whatever they want unless it's literally unconstitutional and thus requires a referendum. I said it earlier in the week, but the idea that the President has to have any speech approved by the government is sickening.

Watching Dazed and Confused, boys

Think I was born at the wrong time

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Where's the lie?
How many sweeping legislative policies to transform society has the homosexual Indian overseen despite not being elected to be Taoiseach by the public? The public voted for Enda Kenny because FF were held responsible for the economic crisis, not for rule by Varadkar.

>Even the FG members didn't vote him, the majority of them backed Coveney, but there was a greater weight of votes going to TDs and Senators who wanted Varadkar. Even then it was another "choice" for the members of picking their puppet. It's a sad state of affairs here.
Wow, I didn't know that they had weighted votes.
>Even then it was another "choice" for the members of picking their puppet.
You mean Coveney was also a puppet? I know asking for a man with integrity from FG is impossible, but was there even any real competition for leadership of FG or was Varadkar's election even more of an appointment than it seemed to be?

>How many sweeping legislative policies to transform society has the homosexual Indian overseen despite not being elected to be Taoiseach by the public?
For the last time, we don't directly elect our Taoisigh. Why is /éire/pol/ so obsessed with this untruth? When /éire/pol/ threads were still a thing, it was mentioned in almost every single thread, so it's not like I'm just trying to dismiss your argument just by referencing Jow Forums. Learn how our political systems work before wading into a political discussion.

>Wow, I didn't know that they had weighted votes.
Case in point.

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>You mean Coveney was also a puppet?
He's a Bilderberger and Sutherland's protege. He was in charge of sending the Irish navy to ferry migrants across the Med. What do you think?

>You mean Coveney was also a puppet?
Yeah he was, he's in the pockets of our true leaders too. Varadkar might've been the preferred candidate though as he'd push progressive social values a bit more.

>Or just actually ensure that there's a reliable separation of powers so that the Dáil can't force through whatever they want unless it's literally unconstitutional and thus requires a referendum.
How would that work? They already seem to be rewriting the laws to undo the spirit of the referendum to remove anchor baby status.
The ability of "democracy" to get us parties that actually oppose each other in substantial ways seems to be severely limited, almost certainly by design.
>I said it earlier in the week, but the idea that the President has to have any speech approved by the government is sickening.
Isn't that just a direct copypasta of the role of the "queen" in England's political system? That particular restriction was because the role of "constitutional monarch" was window-dressing for the factionalism and government-by-cabal of westminster replacing the independent-mindedness of the Stuart kings with puppet monarchs hired from abroad at the convenience of parliament.
It's incoherent to have a restriction like that on a democratically elected president in a republic, especially one where it's a symbolic figure rather than chief executive like in the US.
Honestly it's pathetic how much the "winners" of Irish politics in the free state are literally shadow-puppets of the UK and US.

>he's in the pockets of our true leaders too
Who are?

>inb4 the EU

Anyone who can bribe or pay off government, the EU can be part of that but they're not all of it, and the permanent government we have here in our civil service.

>Quotas have no place in a democracy
Agreed. All Presidential candidates should have all of their campaign expenses covered by the State, and not have to meet some form of vote quota.

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>and not have to meet some form of vote quota.
That's a very different thing and you know it. Don't be disingenuous desu.

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>How would that work? They already seem to be rewriting the laws to undo the spirit of the referendum to remove anchor baby status.
Keep the Dáil as it is, with proportional representation. Completely redo the Seanad, 2 representatives per county, with the President obtaining the power to split any draws. The Dáil can draw up legislation but it needs to pass both houses, any legislation that fails to pass the Seanad after 3 attempts is killed. President also formally gets the Ministry of Defence in its entirety, and not just a titular role as Supreme Commander.

>"I don't want women, minorities or the poor in my political establishment"

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>For the last time, we don't directly elect our Taoisigh. Why is /éire/pol/ so obsessed with this untruth?
I'm not implying that they are elected directly, in a legal sense, I'm saying that the practical essence of our system is that general elections are battles between parties to be in government and therefore have their leader as taoiseach. People don't elect candidates on a local basis most of the time, or if they do, it's not those constituencies that determine which party ends up ruling the country.
To deny this by pretending that the claim is that taoiseachs are elected the same way as the US president is dishonest. The real claim is that if the democratic principle is what matters, then a taoiseach who is elected as head of a party campaigning to be in government is more democratic than one who was appointed from within the party without reference to the people. Legalism is not in dispute, it's only the strength of the mandate that such a taoiseach can claim, since the principle of democracy is much less engaged in such a scenario.
Not that I believe in democracy, it's just that even by their own standards of what gives government authority, Varadkar has less mandate than Kenny.

>with the President obtaining the power to split any draws
That would void the President's political neutrality and therefore will never happen.

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Yeah, I suppose it was a stupid question to ask.
To get to any position in these parties you have to be as palatable to the secret societies as any other member, which is completely.
I suppose a better way to phrase what I wanted to ask was whether it would have mattered to them if one or the other had won. But you both answered that anyway.

No, I don't want women, minorities, or the rich in my political establishment.

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>wanting only the poor in your political establishment
That won't end well.

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Well I do want a complete reform of the system and do think the President should be more active politically, which would obviously end the "neutrality" of any head of state. It's better than wasting millions on a head of state that's just there to act as a glorified ambassador.

>actually confirming you don't want poor people in politics
Ara proletariat now.

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Yeah, it's hard to express that you don't want a class dominating the government, which in current Anglo-capitalist society is the international financial elite and the rich all the way down the political line. Nor do I want rabble rousers making a living off selling the idea that the poor are noble in proportion to their neediness.

I was more just trying to highlight the absurdity that "quotas" will get poor people representation in government. It's only window-dressing at best, or in the case of "women" (workaholic slags, not womanhood in general) and "minorities" (immigrants) only instituted because it serves the overall goal of establishing a totally dependent and degraded atomised Anglo-American monoculture all over the world.
Every "poor minority woman" elevated to sinecure status is a true Irish man (with sufficient means) prevented from advancing, for fear he might actually advance the cause of Ireland and the Irish. It's only a stumbling block to PREVENT power from being overthrown, not a "reform" to disestablish the actual powers that rule Ireland as they rule the rest of the world.

>wiping old tablet to give to one of my parents
>trying to delete all the you know what off of it
Christ, the factory reset didn't wipe as much as I was hoping. I'll just tell them to stick to the browser and hope they discover anything I forgot.

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*don't discover

Did you not google "how to completely wipe X model of tablet"? Factory resets aren't always the same as wiping, because the inbuilt settings and so on aren't the same thing as stored data.

"Son, do you know all of these naked girls?"

Vive la révolution.

That is why the poor must liberate the wealth from the rich into their own pockets, thus becoming the new upper class. Then they must be overthrown by the class below them and the cycle shall repeat until the bottom-most of classes is now at the top and there is no one left to be below them. And thus society is only left composed of a rich elite with no one to oppress.

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are ya winning son

Well I'm using a custom ROM so it might be a bit more effort to wipe, no handy dandy button the stock ROMs have for tech illiterates and so on.

>making more work for yourself to the point you can't figure out how to delete it
>calling others tech illiterates
yikes

>calling others tech illiterates
Offensive wasn't my intention. I'm just lazy, need to be in bed in a few minutes and really could do with getting it done tonight.

>Varadkar has less mandate than Kenny.
Fair point. But I still think that calling Varadkar "unelected" is disingenuous.

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>But I still think that calling Varadkar "unelected" is disingenuous.
He was elected to be TD for D*blin West, not Taoiseach.

Microwave it.

FG "won" the election with the premise that Kenny would be Taoiseach, Varadkar was known as Minister for the Toxic Chalice.

Those Irish lads that can't even speak Irish.

Cabinet reshuffles and leadership contests happen. They are a fact of life in a democracy. Positions aren't necessarily set in stone when you vote for a particular party.

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Is féidir linn Gaeilge a labhairt. Ach níl mórán pointe nuair a chuireann an rialtas airgead isteach in oideachas agus meáin chumarsáide as B**rla.

>Positions aren't necessarily set in stone when you vote for a particular party.
Nor are candidate's positions, which is why leadership changes should result in a general election.

>which is why leadership changes should result in a general election.
Why? Sure, the new leader's mandate will be weakened, but I don't see much undemocratic about it.

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this country and people needs to be destroyed, the gael needs to be put to rest in his grave

time to order a load of brown escorts

You must get off on being as disingenuous as possible.
The entire point of our line of argument has been that the premise of holding elections and having a "democracy" is that the people should decide who is their ruler. When elections are held, the leader of each party is presenting themselves as the leader, to present an agenda in line with their party's platforms, admittedly, (though in reality the platforms only exist in the public's minds as vague impressions rather than intricate policy.)

Your premise now is that leaders are not what people vote for, but parties. But at the same time, you claim gay Indian is elected, with reference to the fact that he as an individual candidate was elected to be TD for a particular constituency. So clearly, A) being elected matters, and B) the specific individual to be elected matters, because the people in that constituency didn't vote for FG to appoint a candidate to be their TD. They voted for the man, not the party.

To say that just because it's okay by the letter of the law for a Taoiseach to be replaced, that it must be okay by the spirit of the law, is dishonest. If a TD dies, they hold a by-election, they don't just give it to a member of his party until his term is up. If it's not okay for a constituency, how can it be okay for the whole country? It'd only be reasonable to allow an unelected taoiseach to keep the government ticking over until a general election that was closer than not.
But Varadkar is acting like he has a mandate to radically transform Irish society on neoliberal lines despite being appointed taoiseach on a mandate that was not granted to HIM.

J A G G Y

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Would you ever listen to yourself?
Weakening the mandate IS a reduction in the democratic quality of a government.
The premise of "democracy" is that government must depend on mandate. Without a mandate, and with just a legalistic claim to authority, Varadkar's rule is not as "democratic" as that of the man who was actually elected to be taoiseach would be.
If mandate didn't matter, there'd be no dividing line between a democratic and non-democratic government, after all. (Though to some extent this is true, it's just not something the farcical fiction of democractic society can acknowledge.)

Hi Jaggy, how are you?

>and having a "democracy" is that the people should decide who is their ruler
That's not the point of a representative democracy at all. We elect people to "represent" us.

>To say that just because it's okay by the letter of the law for a Taoiseach to be replaced, that it must be okay by the spirit of the law, is dishonest.
It's perfectly in keeping with the letter and spirit of the law. You just happen to disagree.

>If a TD dies, they hold a by-election, they don't just give it to a member of his party until his term is up. If it's not okay for a constituency, how can it be okay for the whole country?
People are entitled to choose who their elected representative is. It's a cornerstone of democracy. If Varadkar died in the morning, a by-election would be held to replace him, but in the role of a TD, not as Taoiseach.

>Would you ever listen to yourself?
I would but I lack the recording equipment.

>Weakening the mandate IS a reduction in the democratic quality of a government.
Yes, but not to a point where I (or international good practice) considers it undemocratic. It's a quirk of the system, but it hardly robs FG of its mandate to rule. They got the most votes in the general election, they get to choose who their party leader is, hence they get to choose who the Taoiseach is. Despite what you and the general public may thing, voters don't actually get a say in who the Taoiseach is.

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*may think

>time to order a load of brown escorts
How will this accelerate the destruction off the country?

A lot of standing around awkwardly while wearing a robe thing.

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oohh nice. as long as you did not use google tr*nslate.

>That's not the point of a representative democracy at all. We elect people to "represent" us.
That's a distinction without a difference unless you want to say someone unelected rules us.
>It's perfectly in keeping with the letter and spirit of the law. You just happen to disagree.
The letter can be referenced objectively. The spirit is not in a law book somewhere, but it can be seen from how people treat general elections. They don't treat them as elections for parties so much as personalities.
>People are entitled to choose who their elected representative is. It's a cornerstone of democracy. If Varadkar died in the morning, a by-election would be held to replace him, but in the role of a TD, not as Taoiseach.
You say that with reference to the letter of the law. But what principle says that the former is an entitlement and a "cornerstone", but not the selection of the man who is to be in actual control of the machinery of state? An impotent opposition backbencher is a liability to a constituency and its voters. Direct voting for the ruler of the state would be more "democratic" than what is clearly and definitionally cabalistic behaviour in the appointment by FG of Varadkar to rule the country, when it was Kenny who was elected.

>not turning up in a hoodie and a tracksuit pants

Níor d'úsáid mé é.

>They don't treat them as elections for parties so much as personalities.
That varies on a case by case basis. I don't think you can accurately make a sweeping statement like that.

>Direct voting for the ruler of the state would be more "democratic" than what is clearly and definitionally cabalistic behaviour in the appointment by FG of Varadkar to rule the country, when it was Kenny who was elected.
I don't like the idea of voting for an individual to whom would be given extensive executive powers as head of the government. That's how elections turn into personality-based farces like in the USA and to a lesser extent France.

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Tá na Fíorghaeil marbh, nó imithe go Mericeá nó An Astráil agus áiteanna mar sin. Níl ach bastairdí agus páistí éigniú de na Sasanaigh anseo.

The real Irish are all dead or gone to America, Australia and other places. Here you will find only the bastardised spawn of English garrisons.

How do you feel about travellers lads?

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>That varies on a case by case basis. I don't think you can accurately make a sweeping statement like that.
If parties were what won elections, the way the taoiseach would be decided would be an election within each party once they had won the election.
Likewise, if parties were what won elections, voters would not be swayed from one party to another when the leadership changes.

Tired.

Hello! I'm great, thanks.

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Tá beagáinín Fíorghaeil beo, ach tá siad gan ghuth agus gun cumacht.

I'm in FF and that lad gets mercilessly mocked. He tried to get involved in Ógra at the national level. He spent months going around trying to build up support, going to events, trying to befriend everyone and generally being positive.

His opponent was a decent rural Irish lad who did absolutely no fucking preparation, but demolished him at the vote. I think it was like 80% to 20%.

Ammar just hasn't gotten the message that he's in the wrong party yet.

I'm putting money in their hands to raise their spawn

Haven't had much contact with them since I was in primary school desu
They keep themselves to themselves around here.

The "ethnic minority" status is the worst thing to happen to them since the famine, let alone modern industrial production.
They'll be degraded faster and potentially made actually insoluble by mainstream Irish society, all the while their poorly educated "leaders" are led around by the government/quangos to antagonise the rest of society and sell the normal travellers on whatever the gov-ngo axis wants them to do or have done to them.

Seo.

Fianna Fáil has a strong conservative element, but like the rest of the country at large, this wing has been browbeaten into silence. You are either in the "a nigger and a house for all" or you get hounded and attacked.

That is why all true Nationalists and all true Gaels joined the National Party.