Why do spaniards refuse to give them independence

I wonder

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Would they become Gibraltar 2.0?

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this happens in the UK too

Well.they arent majority in catalonia

>Portugal-tier economy
So low unemployment good deficit amd good future?

this shit is almost like 50-50

I mean, it's not applicable to f.e public servants or people who have aircondition, but seriously, why work at the hot hours instead of finishing in the afternoon?
On the other hand, if the bussiness is private, what is your problem as to when he opens or when he closes?

i would rape your woman again only for your daily burhut thread
keep up the good work moctezuma

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aqui a nadie le importa una mierda lo que hizo españa hace años

Spanish would become poor (more than it is right now)

catalonia would be worse, but would not be spain's problem anymore i guess

Because Spain is basically still a fascist country.. also in general it would be bad for Europe. There are so many minor regional movements that would gain steam and strong unified countries would become 3-4 different countries that squabble with each other over minor shit.

Balkanization is bad news.

>Because Spain is basically still a fascist country
LMAO
catalonia and the basque country were the ones who benefited the most under Franco

>low unemployment
okay
>good deficit
sure
>good future

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how bad is poortugal right now

>Mexican economists

>bad for Europe
Good. Too many big countries around.

Fuck you

Fuck you, you don't even live here. Big countries going autistic is the no.1 problem in Europe.

>low unemployment
Only because half the country already emigrated to Switzerland, Luxembourg and Germany to find a job.

>good future
Top jej

Caravaner hands made this thread

prove me wrong

>industrial region with still active industry
>needing gibs

>industrial region with still active industry
they have all of that thanks to the special privileges(THE GIBS) they receive from the kingdom

>they have all of that thanks to the special privileges
>not because they are close to coast
>not because they are close to France

search how catalonia has been treated like a princess by the bourbons and Franco, but maybe you got something right, their strategic location is pretty important

> His regime imposed linguistic, political and cultural restrictions across Spain. In Catalonia, any kind of public activities associated with Catalan nationalism, republicanism, anarchism, socialism, liberalism, democracy or communism, including the publication of books on those subjects or simply discussion of them in open meetings, was banned.
That doesn't sound princesslike

cus spains not a real country

search for example in which era the soccer stadium for Barcelona was built, or how the catalan Bourgeoisie supported franco

Why should unruly fools get national sovereignty? I'd genocide the lot of them.

What gibs are Catalonians receiving now?

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special privileges is what i call gibs

Care to mention what those "special privileges" are and if they pertain to economy at all?

a lot of investment, and if i am not wrong they do not pay taxes either, thats why you will see some spaniards having some resentment about that

>a lot of investment, and if i am not wrong they do not pay taxes either
>While Catalans only account for about 16 percent of the Spanish population, Catalonia makes a hefty contribution to the overall Spanish economy, making 223.6 billion euros ($262.96 billion) a year
I'm pretty sure Catalonians would survive without those gibs

Fact is that a country bordering another will not exist, simply for purely security reasons why would catalonia want a possibly hostile state near it.

>possibly hostile state
Because they know war in Europe is highly unlikely. The reason why they don't go independant is because they would be out of EU and Spain would veto any application.

Spain should take care of their separatist the same way we did.

Having a state bordering yours and having capitals 600km from yours and a 5 hour drive or 36hour bike ride is simply non practical.

The fuck? This is normal in Europe.

It never was beneficial to anyone, states with long reached capitals and control were the most stable snd secured the peace and peoples commonwealth.

this, but instead they give them privileges

There is no reason anyone in spain not in catalonia will agree to catalonia becoming a sovreign state, why would they want a potential enemy.

Why would anyone in catalonia not want peace, stability and law and a state that protects them?

What ass have you pulled this out of?

>potential enemy
Ever heard of a Velvet divorce?

>Ever heard of a Velvet divorce?
do not compares apples with oranges

Would you agree for parts of Czech becoming independant states?

Already happened, buddy, notice there is no Czechoslovakia anymore. If Moravians want to fuck off and make Brno a capital (it's already as gay and liberal as one), sure why not.

>apples and oranges
The apple being a democratic central European country and the orange a monarchy deadset on not letting its cashcow escape?

Well what you want is not want others want, others would rather no independant states being near them, and that is my.belief, I do not like any independant states near me at all and in the usa life goes on peacefully without any independant states till the end of the continent trade and prosperity is much greater.

The world doesnt end with a state becoming part of a larger community, trade and safety expands.

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Remember how Mexico got its independence?

Spaniards only truly speak one language and that one is violence.

To spite them
See, we castillians hate catalonians and basques with a burning passion, everyone dislikes those uppity greedy cunts.
Everyone is tired of them and would gladly give it to them, but the butthurt it causes them makes us not giving it to them.
Hope they keep like doing stupid shit so that we can bomb Barcelona again.
youtube.com/watch?v=8XULTHbK5z8

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>prosperity is much greater
So why are the best countries in the world small and independent, huh?

Then you get these jews or just imbeciles or sebateurs.

If it was up to me Spain would be administered by Berlin or any friendly non hostile states to establish a connection and unity.

What jews?
The stereotype of the catalonian is the same as the jew, a greedy rat-faced lousy excuse of a man.
Just look at Companys (the one in the middel of the photo).

>a monarchy deadset on not letting its cashcow escape?
catalans supported the monarchic made constitution when franco died

Madrid to moscow is.pretty much the distance in dc and la.

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A jew like you causing disorder and conflict in neighboring peoples.

Its actually 600km less than la to washington

What are you talking about?
There is no conflict in catalonia, if they ever do an armed uprising they'll get BTFOed hard.
They only whine, but thing is we like them like that.
Fuck them.

Luckily it isn't up to you, mutt.

Its up.to.you?
Or to people I am able to.convince to.unite as a single community?

Not worth talking with someone causing conflict with catalonia you are either a jewish sebateur or a retard.

What are you talking about?
You don't make any sense

>people I am able to.convince to.unite as a single community?
Get a load of this commie. Guess what people in Europe think about Americans trying to "convince" them?

>Its up.to.you?
More than you since I actually live in Europe

Because that meme is just a show of their facist politics to hide their real and true intentions.

>you cause reason for catalans to be hostile
>you are either a jew
>or you are a retard
Its simple.

>its more up to me since I live in europe
And who decided this?
You?

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>who decided this
I think the geographers did

Catalonians are always hostile, it is in their blood.
Plus they are our bitch.

>they are our bitch
Okay sephardita shoo.

You decided that because you live in Europe your opinion values more than mines?
And why is this?
Because you say so?

>t. chi guevara
where are the face pictures?

Yes. Yank opinions about Europe are cringe-tier and Europeans on this site are by far better educated as is made evident by the fact they had to learn another language before posting here.

Is it a fact of nature that Czech republic MUST and cannot belong in unity to another state and able to be consistently explained mathematically, or is it just your opinion which has equal truth to mines?

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>afternoon
Lol was that ironic or you really believe it

>Yes. Yank opinions about Europe are cringe-tier
Why do you think your opinions are true or at the least more beneficial than mines?

there is no future for us

Yes

Because I live in Europe therefore have greater familiarity with the region in question, we've been over this

>Because I live in Europe therefore have greater familiarity with the region in question, we've been over this
then you would know why catalonia doesnt deserve the right for self determination

>deserve
They do deserve it. As do many others.

>Because I live in Europe therefore have greater familiarity with the region in question, we've been over this
then you would know why catalonia doesnt deserve the right for self determination
Are you saying it is not possible for me to understand more of Europe than you?

They do not.

Prove to me that the Czech state must or should exist.

why

Because he says so, that is all.

Kingdom of Bohemia was here before you mutts ever had an idea of throwing tea down the harbour

They want it. They speak a different language. And they've been trying to secede for quite a long while.

>Are you saying it is not possible for me to understand more of Europe than you?
Yes

>Kingdom of Bohemia was here before you mutts ever had an idea of throwing tea down the harbour
How is this related?

>They want it. They speak a different language. And they've been trying to secede for quite a long while.
And why should.this matter?
Im.not seeing the values here.