One week ago Russia was the defender of orthodox faith

Fuck semites and their filthy religions

no, we need to reclaim the holy sites to justify our religion
or we need to change it into something completely different so it doesnt need the holy sites

you cant compare pedolics and orthodoxy tho
you retards even burned people alive and whatnot, had the inquisition and so on, if jesus was saying the truth all the catholics who blaspheme his name will burn eternally in hell

>the orthodox Pope
Not how it works.
You clearly have no idea about what's happening.

>getting butthurt about an objective analysis of post-classical Christianity because Orthodoxy is inherently tied to nationalism and nationhood in orthodox countries so any attack on Orthodoxy is an automatic attack on national pride thus causing instanteneous volcanic eruptions of asshurt

the only reason you're even whinging about "pedolics" is because Croats are predominantly catholic and you've been taught in school that 'croats = bad bad bad - thus catholicism = bad bad bad'

>Reply
Retarded Russkies sacrificing a tradition dating back 2000 years for micropolitical gains over Ukraine.

Russia became heretic when they allowed the church to be slapped around like a ragdoll by the government.

Constantinople is the only one granted the right to give autocephaly to churches.

>Moscow asks for autocephaly
>Constantinople: "here, have it"
>Ukraine asks for autocephaly
>Constantinople: "here have it"
>Moscow: "Oh no you didn't !1!1!!"

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>putin renames russia to byzantian russia and becomes the emperor

All orthodox people are the same though, Russians hate catholics as well even though they don't need to hold a grudge against them as they didn't suffer from war atrocities perpetrated by catholics like Serbs did.

The fact jesus died virgin and all apostles were virgin is the point of celibate. Carnal passion is sin

>Burn eternally in hell
Daily reminder that heaven and hell are states of soul and not some separate chambers.
t. Read stuff about Orthodox theology

>when did jesus mention pope?
>when did jesus mention crusades?
>when did jesus mention celibacy, dont you know jesus healed the daughter of paul, first follower of jesus whom he told hes job is to continue spreading the word after jesus leaves?
>when did jesus mention centralized bureocracy which can exert taxes, innitiate conflicts, mind control the faithful through "confessions" etc?

Right where he said to look like ZZ top, worship in large buildings, jump in ice water, collect tithes and have Putin's hand up your ass you fool.

so by that logic, sociopaths who do horrible things but don't feel guilty about doing those things go to heaven?

>>Now Russia is a heretic country
Wrong, Constantinople Patriarch is an actual heretic by all canons.
>put on the sidelines of global orthodoxy
What do you mean by "Global Orthodoxy"? Many Patriarchs didn't approve his actions. He doesn't even have majority support.
>orthodox Pope
No such thing. "First among equals".

>when did jesus mention pope?

'I say to you,' he says, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it.

>when did jesus mention crusades?

And when did Jesus mention independent Serbia? So why does it exist along with the orthodox faith?

>when did jesus mention celibacy

It's just a tradition, not a dogma. Jesus didn't mention decorating a Christmas tree either yet we do it.

>when did jesus mention centralized bureocracy which can exert taxes, innitiate conflicts, mind control the faithful through "confessions" etc?

How is this any different from orthodox churches?

>What

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>Go to
Read my post again, but slowly

>isn't kyiv the center of orthodox christianity?
Are you fucking retarded? It's not and never was. It used to be Russian center of Orthodox Christianity, but very long time ago. At one point it even slipped under Catholicism, during all those Polish-enforced unions with Catholic church.

>orthodox Pope
Kek

Also read "River of Fire" by Alexandros Kalomiros

yeah yeah yeah, they 'exist in the state of being that is heaven' whatever the fuck that even means

just anwser the fucking question

there is no center in orthodox christianity, there is no pope or someone alike, each orthodox country have their own leader of church

Christcuckery truly is autism

Why do khakhols make such a fuss about this, jsut renew the union of Brest and stop being schismatics?

>Jesus would be horrified by the ostentatious displays of wealth and worldly power that both the Catholic church and the various Orthodox churches engage in.
This one is true.

If 2 things are bad though, it doesn't make them equally bad.

Orthodoxy never actively supported the torture of people and forced conversion (inquisition) or initiated imperialist wars (crusades).
Also, in terms of bureaucracy, they insisted on the more democratic model of ecumenical synods versus papal supremacy (the reason for the first schism) for ecclesiastical matters.
And orthodoxy never run an obvious racketeering by selling literal forgiveness certificates for money ("indulgence"), which is one of the main reasons for the protestant schism as well.

Orthodoxy is a heretic faith anyway, praise Anglican Jesus

So are Slavs permanently in hell since they always seem so negative?

Meet the Leader of the Christian World.
Can you pray for His Majesty's soul?

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>Wrong, Constantinople Patriarch is an actual heretic by all canons.

Wow, you've already updated your metodichka. Great job, olka.

>What do you mean by "Global Orthodoxy"? Many Patriarchs didn't approve his actions. He doesn't even have majority support.

So many patriarchs will be declared heretics soon.

Angl*canism is literally the single gayest Christian denomination on the planet.

Literally everything else is superior to being Angl*can. Being pagan is better than being Angl*can. Fucking hell, being a mudslime savage is still better than being Angl*can.

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I already did. Also, I mentioned a book that you can read. It explains Orthodox doctrine about it quite well. Also John Romanides is a good author about the subject as well.

no i just asked a question you starving low iq khokhol subhuman

explain yourself

Someone takes seriously clowns in cassocks?
Dear lord 21 century

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>Constantinople is the only one granted the right to give autocephaly to churches.
No.
>>Moscow asks for autocephaly
That's not what happened. Moscow didn't ask shit. IT PROCLAIMED independence on its own. Didn't ask shit. You know when? When Constantinople fell into heresy with this whole Florentine Union.
Today it fell into heresy again. And it's funny hearing about government slapping the church. When this whole thing is happening literally under american control, exarchs are sent from USA and Canada. And Ukrainian government and president straight up broke the law by interfering into church's affairs. The fucking parliament VOTED on church issues. And president asked Constantinople Patriarch for autocephally. Who the fuck is he to do such shit?

>jsut renew the union of Brest and stop being schismatics?

The union has never ceased to exist. The Greek Catholic Church still exists, just few people belong to it now as Russians persecuted this church in 18-19th centuries.

>so by that logic, sociopaths who do horrible things but don't feel guilty about doing those things go to heaven?
The teaching goes like this:

Since they don't repent, their soul is too bitter to accept Jesus, it acts as invisible force shield against Jesus. And since Jesus, being the only source of eternal bliss, can't get near, they suffer in a state of depression. Like a thirsty person unable to drink water from a well because they broke the bucket.

The teaching is not about punishment from god inflicted upon the sinner. It's about the unrepentant sinner keeping god away even though they need him, and thus suffering since they can't have him.

Actually when the Finnic hordes subjugated Ryssa, the Kiev Patriatch fled to Moscow. So the current Kiev patriarch is just a hack.

but there will be referendum first! legal and democratic procedure

Aren't most greek-catholics are antipolish?

There was a chance of establishing Eucharist union between Anglicans and Orthodox in XX but you just HAD to go full faggot and libtard, so efforts were canceled.

>Today it fell into heresy again.

Because? Why can we have independent Russian, Serbian or Bulgarian churches but not the Ukrainian one?

Does the helmet protect him from psychic attacks?

>2018
>still being shackled by the chains of rome
>worshipping saints
>not forming a personal bond with our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
Lmaoing at you papists

Are your Orthodox?

So why did Russia give a small donation to the Constantinople Patriarchy to recognize them de jure?

>When this whole thing is happening literally under american control,

So what? Would it be better if it was under Russian control?

>The fucking parliament VOTED on church issues.

Just like the tzar always controlled the Russian church and no one thought it was wrong.

I am a Greek-Catholic and I love Poland.

How can they be anti-Polish if most of them work and study here and have the Pole's Card?

It was a general "we".

It's a bulletproof helmet.

You formulated it quite well. Thank you.

Ok, sorry. I meant in Ukrainian.

I love Poland too, even now is listening a song in Polish.

Original Christianity was basically a kind of anarchism. All of you fools are heretics.

Nie wszyscy z takich ludzi chcą być Polakami. I nie wszyscy z tych kto chcę mają taką kartę.

Very proactive. He can safely visit America now.

>when did jesus mention pope?
“Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall never prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.”

>when did jesus mention crusades?
"A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."
>when did jesus mention celibacy, dont you know jesus healed the daughter of paul, first follower of jesus whom he told hes job is to continue spreading the word after jesus leaves?
“There are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it”
>when did jesus mention centralized bureocracy which can exert taxes, innitiate conflicts, mind control the faithful through "confessions" etc?
"Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. "

>his religion only exists so that a fatass king 400 years ago could get a divorce
yeah real spiritual there m8

>Original Christianity was basically a kind of anarchism. All of you fools are heretics.
Pretty much this.

I'm sorry for mistakes in this post, lol.

oh fuck off with your 'jesus was the first communist' bullshit you fucking nancy boy faggot

Just look at this thread

But how about a safety for Moscow patriarch's $30.000 watch?

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and who are you by religion?

Invented by Henry 8 Tudor only to get divorce

Wallah alillah alhamdulillah
t.(You)

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>sharts on christians for having heated debates about which denomination is right

>meanwhile, straps bomb on himself and blows up a shiite mosque to rubble because hurr u follow muhamads uncle insted of muhamads daughter

Not just a divorce he was also after the churches riches.

Looks like it pays to be patriarch.

Only Christ has the power to annul marriages, not some pretender on earth, Henry knew this and broke from your heretic sects

And married 6 times...

Sure. Your $ 30 000 = our 2 000 000 rubles.

>tfw muscovite heretics

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>being so asspained that the pope won't let you fugg wiminz as you like that you literally break off and form a meme sect

beeing a patriach is hard work okay? just leave him alone

>leave him alone
He tells the same to Jesus...

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Rivers near Moscow have baltic names

No ty Prawosławny jestes?

>No.
Actually yes.

All the non heretical autocephalous churches in the history of orthodoxy, have been granted and/or recognized by Constantinople.
This is because Constantinople is the Mother Church, so when it comes to administration (and not dogmatic) issues, they decide through their own synod.

This doesn't violate the "primus inter pares" principle, because all theological and dogmatic issues are decided by the ecumenical synods.

But autocephaly is solely Constantinople's role, since it's the mother church and can grant autonomy to any of its branches, like a country can grant autonomy to any of its regions.

>That's not what happened. Moscow didn't ask shit. IT PROCLAIMED independence on its own.
The Moscow autocephaly is officially recognized and granted by Constantinople. There's official documents about it and nobody disputes that historical fact.

>When Constantinople fell into heresy with this whole Florentine Union.
This was a situation, like Russia today, that the emperor dragged the church into politics, because he needed help against the ottomans. But that was a THEOLOGICAL issue, so it needed the recognized ecumenical synod's approval. The people protested, the synod didn't give its approval, and the decision was reversed.

>Today it fell into heresy again.
No. Constantinople still is in communion with Moscow and allows common eucharists. It's Moscow that banned them, making them de facto schismatics.

Imagine I have a large piece of land, and next to my land is your piece of land which I gave to you in the past.
Then one day I decide to give another piece of my land to another guy. And you get buttmad about it and ragequit. Possibly because you were exploiting that piece of my land for some time and you're mad you'll have to stop since the new owners won't allow it.

That's the situation with Constantinople and Moscow.

Reminder that Nikon was the original heretic.

This schism between slaves of turks and kgb tobacco seller is funny af. Really gives good image to orthodoxy

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Will Moscow priests bribe the Patriarchate of Jerusalem in order to get the Holy fire?