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I found Painless French very useful. I bought a handful of learn French books at a 2nd hand store but that one was the best by far.

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People post on both platforms, one does not replace the other, like I explained here

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Bump

To be honest, these days I've been too lazy to open this general to help people, but if I had someone ping me on Discord asking for a correction I'd have gladly helped.
It's just that sometimes this place gets buried in the back of my mind and whatnot.
So I can't wait to get an invite link.

just came on the duolingo app

Did you just dick-tribute a fucking owl ?

kek

>Joseph vindt zingen leuk
Is valid
>Joseph vindt zingen lekker
Sounds strange.

I suppose that you might hear someone say:
>Wat kan Joseph lekker/ goed zingen
Lekker and goed carry the same positive charge and are interchangeable.

Do you have more questions?

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Discord is for Chads ONLY.

Was the owl in his track suit, formal attire, or superhero cape?

English, Spanish and French
Would love to learn German as well but I can’t find any motivation for it (español tan poco)

how have you been studying english?

Español is easy if you already know french. German can be a bit hard, but once you learn how to use the declension cases, everything will flow.

vid plox

you're trying to get a link? is it not public?
why not make a real one then

Don’t ask me about it ...
The only thing I can tell you is that the best way I learnt English was dating a guy from an English speaking country
Gracias! Pero francés no es primero

What language should I learn?
I know english and spanish, thats it.
I feel I should go with Portuguese or French, because "Romance languages".
I also feel I should go with some moonrune language like Jap or Chinese (Mandarin or Cantontese)

Albeit I feel little inspiration for any of them.

inb4 Swedish
OP cant inb4

shall i go with the meme train and learn dutch?

you won't have the motivation if you let somebody pick for you.

everyone knows japanese girls are whores to white men
french, spoken in france, switzerland, luxembourg, belgium, quebec, and africa
YES

Oohh thanks.
Nothing so far. I'm currently focusing on my mid term exam for tomorrow morning so I'm just lurking around instead.

I want to hear opinions. And then choose by myself.

french. its easy cause you know spanish and much more international than german.

between Portuguese and French, the most potentially useful would be French
that's disregarding taste or affinity
I think if you're gonna go through Japanese or Chinese, it needs to pay off in some way, except if you're really into learning for its own sake
both have a very different society where you probably won't ever completely fit in, and you'll also never fully master them
also both look for native speaking teachers primarily, so it'll be hard to be hired as an english teacher, which of course is the majority of language teaching jobs

I considered french, but then I asked myself, why not Portuguese?
Is French that much more relevant than Portuguese? Aside from the old French colonies and France itself what else is there to it?

>Not learning Hungarian

do you plan on moving to brazil/portugal? my mexican friend says he can understand 80% of portguese so he doesn't feel motivated to learn it.

Like the other guy said you can also use French in Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, & Luxembourg. I know a guy that spent 5 years studying Arabic and went to Morocco and he couldn't understand anyone because their dialect of Arabic is like a different language. But they all spoke French.

I will think about it. I guees in the long run I could just end up learning both since Portuguese is just bad spanish.

>I think if you're gonna go through Japanese or Chinese, it needs to pay off in some way, except if you're really into learning for its own sake
I considered that as well.

>both have a very different society where you probably won't ever completely fit in,
Well never intended moving to Japan or China, but perhaps studying abroad for a couple years would be fine enough, thats the only reason I feel compelled to learn a language from that region.

>do you plan on moving to brazil/portugal
Not really. But I enjoy their music.

>he can understand 80% of portguese
They just have to speak slowly, and you can understand it as a Spanish speaker to an extent.
for that reason I considered it, It would probably take me a year or so to get fluent.

Why the fuck would anyone ever bother to learn Portuguese? I`d argue it`s only less useless than Romanian. Although it`s the most spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere, it`s not a good enough of a reason for anyone to learn it, except maybe if it`s someone's family or its romantic interest's native language. The majority of speakers are in Brazil, a country whose media has been sub-par for years. Peru, Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Uruguay all have shot better movies than Brazil in a decade or so. Our country is doing bad economically and lately there has been a wave of xenophobia in Brazil (one of, if not, the country which most of its population is composed by immigrants). That just goes to show how ignorant and stupid the average Brazilian is. Apart from that, Brazil is becoming more and more evangelical. Fuck that. That's why many of us are fleeing to Portugal. Now, I can't tell you much about Portugal, since we never consume any media from them here, but it seems that Portugal has a way more positive prospect than Brazil. Regarding the language, although you're a Spanish native speaker, you will have problems regarding pronunciation. Portuguese is a more complex language than Spanish. We have more verb tenses and a more rich phonology, which, to this day I have never heard a Spanish native speaker sound completely natural. If even after having read this post, you're still not convinced, I just wish you luck with your learning and hope you won`t regret taking this decision afterwards.

HAHAAAAA THE PEPEFROG FROM Jow Forums

Hij zag dat ze uitdagend haar kin ophief en hem met donkere ogen
onvervaard aankeek. Ze was lang en slank, met een blonde krullenbos
die ooit een stijlvol kapsel was geweest. In haar mooie moirézijden jurk
zat bij de schouder een scheur, waardoor er een verleidelijk stukje roomkleurige
borst werd prijsgegeven. Haar huid werd ontsierd door een
roetzwarte handafdruk, en zonder erbij na te denken veegde Sebastian
de aanstootgevende vlek met zachte strelingen van zijn duim weg. Ze
verstijfde en stak haar geboeide handen omhoog om de zijne van zich af
te slaan. Hij ving haar blik en bleef haar strak aankijken.

please don’t make me think about it

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It's not a pepe, fren.

"more relevant"

please, you have to ask yourself what you actually want. do you care about the francophone world, their literature or popculture? because if not then why the fuck is that an argument to you? should just learn what you like

What elements should I take into consideration if I want to make an atrociously hard conlang?
I'm interested in autistic grammar features from various hard languages around the world.

Have the verb on the end like korean.
It was quite tough to get used to.

its the same in german and in some cases in dutch

>shall i go with the meme train and learn dutch?
dutch is easy as fuck and is a good stepping stone to other languages
its also pretty fun to learn

agglutination, pitch accent / tones, cases, moods

난 숙제를 하지 않았어

There already is Ithkuil.

Where is the fucking discord

why is chinese so ugly
why did no one in 5000 years of history realize that making every word a monosyllable was retarded

Mao zhedong wanted to romanize Chinese but the CPP opposed it. Vietnamese & Korean got rid of Chinese characters. Japanese was only written in Hiragana before but they put back kanji again to make it more high class.

that's not true though, when the discord was active, /lang/ would get maybe 30 replies, and 60% of the time, the thread wouldn't even exist. It's definitely competing.

it's probably for the best that Discord requires an active admin of a server, because the current admin no learn languages anymore and won't make invites

but it's not only the writing, the writing is retarded sure, but it's classy and looks cool
it's the language itself, it wouldn't be nearly as exhasperating if every word didn't have a thousand homophones

What languages are the biggest waste of time to learn?

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the ones you already know and the ones you'll never take seriously

anything that isn't russian, french, or Spanish, or maaaaybe Portuguese but probably not.

Those language have few who also know English so they're the only worthwhile choices that have more than like 50,000 speakers.

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>oh man cases are so hard XD
As a German you have no right to complain about that

conlangs

i have a good grasp on german cases but i of course don't know jackshit about other languages and would probably suck at, say, greek just like everybody else.

this, just look at the story about the guy who tried to teach his baby klingon and the kid just started ignoring him. even babbies can tell that conlangs are useless

Lollll fucking autist KEK

Easy
>The teacher brought the books.
>Where is the train station?
>She is wearing a red dress.
>Do you want tea or coffee?

Medium
>You shouldn't leave your kid home alone.
>The bus is about to leave, let's go!
>Just breath slowly, everything will be okay.
>I warned him this would happen, but he didn't listen.

Hard
>Geysers provide evidence that molten rock exists deep underground.
>My relationship with her is crumbling, there's just no spark anymore, and I'm not sure how to fix it.
>Michael Faraday had solved the mystery that baffled Isaac Newton.
>While I was looking through his stuff, I found a photo of him with this girl I never met with her hands around him.

> Der Lehrer brachte die Bücher.
> Wo ist der Bahnhof?
> Sie trägt ein rotes Kleid.
> Willst du Tee oder Kaffee?
> Sie sollten Ihr Kind nicht allein nach Hause lassen.
> Der Bus ist im Begriff zu gehen, lass uns gehen!
> Atme langsam, alles wird gut.
Ich habe ihn gewarnt, dass das passieren würde, aber er hat nicht zugehört.
> Geysire beweisen, dass geschmolzenes Gestein tief unter der Erde existiert.
> Meine Beziehung zu ihr bröckelt, es gibt einfach keinen Funken mehr und ich bin mir nicht sicher, wie ich das beheben soll.
> Michael Faraday hatte das Geheimnis gelöst, das Isaac Newton verwirrte.
> Während ich seine Sachen durchsah, fand ich ein Foto von ihm mit diesem Mädchen, das ich nie mit ihren Händen in seiner Nähe gesehen hatte.

Let
> Læreren bragte bogerne.
> Hvor er togstationen?
> Hun har en rod kjole.
> Onsker du te eller kaffe?

Medium
> Du bor ikke lade dit barn være hjemme alene.
> Bussen er ved at forlade, lad os gå!
> Bare ånde langsomt, alt bliver okay.
> Jeg advarede ham om, at dette ville ske, men han horte ikke.

Hårdt
> Gejsere viser, at smeltet sten eksisterer dybt under jorden.
> Mit forhold til hende er smuldrende, der er bare ingen gnist mere, og jeg er ikke sikker på, hvordan man retter den.
> Michael Faraday havde lost mysteriet, der forvirrede Isaac Newton.
> Mens jeg kiggede gennem hans ting, fandt jeg et billede af ham med denne pige, jeg aldrig modt med hænderne omkring ham.

not true, I am glad I became fluent in Sindarin

not even tolkien was technically fluent, he didn’t invent enough vocabulary for it to be a functional language. the longest thing written in any form of elvish was a poem written in quenya

Hvorfor

Easy
>The teacher brought the books.
De leraar bracht de boeken
>Where is the train station?
Waar is het trein station?
>She is wearing a red dress.
Ze draagt een rode jurk
>Do you want tea or coffee?
Wil je thee of koffie?

Medium
>You shouldn't leave your kid home alone.
Je zou je kind niet alleen thuis moeten laten
>The bus is about to leave, let's go!
De bus bijna vertrekken, opschieten/kom op!
>Just breath slowly, everything will be okay.
Even rustig inademen, alles komt goed.
>I warned him this would happen, but he didn't listen.
Ik heb het hem verteld dat dit zou gebeuren maar hij luistert niet
Ik heb hem gewaarschuwd [...]

Hard
>Geysers provide evidence that molten rock exists deep underground.
Geisers bewijst dat gesmolten steen ligt diep onder de grond.
>My relationship with her is crumbling, there's just no spark anymore, and I'm not sure how to fix it.
Mijn relatie met haar is aan het afbreken (this sounds meh), er is gewoon geen vonk/vuur (? how do you actually say this), en ik weet niet hoe ik het zou moeten fiksen
>Michael Faraday had solved the mystery that baffled Isaac Newton.
Michael Faraday had Isaac Newton z'n mysterie opgelost.
>While I was looking through his stuff, I found a photo of him with this girl I never met with her hands around him.
Toen ik was aan hem spul aan het doorkijken, vond ik een foto van hem met zo'n meisje met haar hand om hem heen.

>akchually

Pedin Edhellen and A Gateway to Sindarin can teach you all there is to know about it
That is what I meant

I'm not very sure about
>De bus bijna vertrekken
and
>alles komt goed
could be rephrased to alles zal goed komen I guess
and
>Toen ik was aan hem spul aan het doorkijken
zijn*
>meisje met haar hand om hem heen
die haar handen om hem heen hadden...?

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Snadný
> Učitel přinesl knihy.
> Kde je vlaková stanice?
> Má na sobě červené šaty.
> Chcete čaj nebo kávu?

Střední
> Neměli byste své dítě nechat doma osamoceně.
> Autobus se chystá odjet, jdeme!
> Jen dýchat pomalu, všechno bude v pořádku.
> Varoval jsem ho, že se to stane, ale neposlouchal.

Tvrdý
> Geysery poskytují důkaz, že roztavená hornina je hluboko pod zemí.
> Můj vztah s ní se rozpadá, není už žádná jiskra a nejsem si jistá, jak to opravit.
> Michael Faraday vyřešil tajemství, které uráželo Isaaca Newtona.
> Když jsem se díval skrz jeho věci, našel jsem tu fotku s touhle dívkou, kterou jsem nikdy nesetkal rukama kolem sebe.

>tfw no old english learning serb bf

All those languages are spoken in third worlds countries where people already speak English not in Latin America but no sane person would ever want to have anything to do with that brown shithole also Russia but most people do not have any relation or meaningnful reason to learn that language.

Chinese is better than all the previously mentioned languages but still useless for anyone who isn't in a position to do business in china so it's a waste of time for most people

Arabic is fragmented in many mutually unningtelligible dialects and Modern Standard Arabic falls under the same category as Chinese.

Japanese is the only one worth learning but only if you are a hyper weeb who lives and breathes anime and japanese media.

There are no other languages worth considering other than the previously mentioned English is the only one worth learning and the best for all medias.

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>Japanese
>language for NEETs

You're wrong deal with it

when you think about it
there's no point in learning any language ever

Might learn Japanese lads but don't want people thinking in a weeb

Tell me why nigger.

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It is inevitable. Just suck it up and roll with it.

Why would you even bother learning any language at all when you can just bang rocks together and grunt?

wrong. i'm learning finnish cuz i wanna live in finland and acquire a qt3.14 finnish gf

but are you a weeb?

Helppo
> Opettaja toi kirjat.
> Missä on juna-asema?
Hänellä on punainen mekko.
> Haluatko teetä tai kahvia?

keskikokoinen
> Älä jätä lapsiasi yksin.
> Linja on lähdössä, mennään!
Vain henkeä hitaasti, kaikki on kunnossa.
Varoitin häntä, että tämä tapahtuisi, mutta hän ei kuunnellut.

kova
> Geyserit osoittavat, että sula kivi on syvällä maan alla.
> Minun suhteeni hänen kanssaan on murentunut, enää ei ole enää kipinää, enkä ole varma kuinka korjata se.
> Michael Faraday oli ratkaissut mysteerin, joka hämmentyi Isaac Newtonia.
> Kun etsin hänen tavaraa, löysin hänestä kuvan tytöstä, jota en koskaan tavannut hänen kätensä ympärillä.

user hou op met schijtfilosofiepalen en corrigeer eens m'n tjalenge

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Finnish goddess

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discord
link
when

>Se láréow brohte þá béc.
>Hwǽr is se tygageard*?
>Héo wæs mid réadum hrægle gegyrwed.
>Wilt þú drincan té* oððe caffan*?

>Þú ne scealt lǽfan þín cild án on háme.
>Þæt scip féreð sóna, úton gán!
>Orða sláwlíce, eall bið til.
>Ic gewarnode hine, þæt þis gelimpeð, ac hé ne hédde mínra worda.

>Aweallan* giefað béhðe, þæt þǽr is gemolten clúd under þǽre eorðan.
>Míne sib mid hire slawlíce asánað, þǽr ne bið nú nán spearca, ond ic nát hú ic hí rihte.
>Michael Faraday fand séo andsware þǽre ascunge þe ámasode Isaac Newton.

*Not real words. Especially the geyser one.

g-geil

>De leraar bracht de boeken
Very nice
>Waar is het trein station?
treinstation is een woord maar het maakt op zich geen reet uit
>Ze draagt een rode jurk
Prima
>Wil je thee of koffie?
correct

>Je zou je kind niet alleen thuis moeten laten
"Je moet je kind niet alleen thuislaten" sounds much better "Zullen" 's meaning is much closer to will and would

>De bus bijna vertrekken, opschieten/kom op!
De bus vertrekt bijna, there is only 1 verb in the sentence so there's no reason to apply SVO2
>Even rustig inademen, alles komt goed.
"Inademen" means breathing in, "Ademhalen" is breathing, the rest is good

>Geisers bewijst dat gesmolten steen ligt diep onder de grond.
Geisers bewijzen dat er gesmolten steen diep onder de grond ligt.
Geisers is plural, the word order in the second part of the sentence is due to inversion

>Mijn relatie met haar is aan het afbreken (this sounds meh), er is gewoon geen vonk/vuur (? how do you actually say this), en ik weet niet hoe ik het zou moeten fiksen
Mijn relatie met haar valt uit elkaar, er is gewoon geen vonk, en ik weet niet hoe ik het zou moeten fiksen

>Michael Faraday had Isaac Newton z'n mysterie opgelost.
Pico bello

>Toen ik was aan hem spul aan het doorkijken, vond ik een foto van hem met zo'n meisje met haar hand om hem heen.
Terwijl ik door zijn spullen keek, vond ik een foto van hem met een meisje dat ik nooit heb gezien met haar handen om hem heen

Beuty i worship open bob

Kolay
> Öğretmen kitapları getirdi.
> Tren istasyonu nerede?
> Kırmızı bir elbise giyiyor.
> Çay veya kahve ister misin?

Orta
> Çocuğunu evde yalnız bırakmamalısın.
> Otobüs yola çıkmak üzereyiz, hadi gidelim!
> Yavaşça nefes al, her şey yoluna girecek.
> Onu bunun olacağı konusunda uyardım, ama dinlemedi.

Zor
> Geysers, erimiş kayaların yeraltının derinliklerinde var olduğuna dair kanıt sağlar.
> Onunla ilişkim çöküyor, artık bir kıvılcım yok ve bunu nasıl düzelteceğimi bilmiyorum.
> Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton'u şaşkına çeviren gizemi çözmüştü.
> Onun eşyalarına bakarken, etrafındaki elleriyle hiç tanışmadığım bu kızla bir fotoğrafını buldum.

this looks icelandic

Fuck off

You'll never use it outside of this general, and that's only until the three people learning it leave anyway

1. i will because i plan on moving to the netherlands and leaving this 3rd wo
ld shithole forever