Why do people think it is as easy to build civilization in an area as with no arable and high isolation as Sub Saharan...

Civilization as in the manipulation and progress of technology only started with romans and greeks which is why prior agricultural cities got no attention, they brought nothing.

India looks on your map to have good arable soils.
Why is your country still a shithole?

>but not in parts of africa with literally better conditions

Litteral fertile crescent valleys

user, but northern Russia hasn't seen civilisation even until this dya, what are you talking about?

Is civilization being illiterate worshipers of a crucified man as God?
Being 4ft malnouriched slaves of your masters who invented religions and nonsense ao they can get others to work for them?

>arabs went from tent dwelling bedouins to one of worlds richest, greatest, most cultured civilizations which scientifically enriched global heritage
>in a fucking worthless desert with few watering holes

>arabs went from tent dwelling bedouins to one of worlds richest, greatest, most cultured civilizations which scientifically enriched global heritage
Arabs were and are goat people, syria and baghdad never were any good.

>confusing persians iranians and berbers with arabs

None are of any worth

>russia
>civilization

>persian empires

>Mesopotamia

>carthage

>Not of any worth

Correct

but africa is objectively inferior to europe and has always been so

Nothing of what we have comes from them.

There were civilisations in Africa. But the Bantu decided to raid, kill and enslave them.

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Most of us are just too ignorant about African history but they certainly had advanced civilizations

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civilization isn't about having good farmland, in the Americans the best farmland is in the Pampas and the Mississippi region, but the biggest civilizations were in the Andes and Mexico-Central America.

In Europe the best farmland is in Ukraine, and it was the land of nomadic horse riders like scythians or sarmatians.

Civilization is born where people have to organize themselves to farm, not where it's easy to survive.

You mean build them?

>oldest civilizations in the world

>formed in fertile river valleys

Its also the acess to high yeild domesticatable plants

nah they straight up enslaved other ethnic groups. the french colonists had to put an end to that

The bantu groups were responsible for the spread of agriculture throughout africa khoisan didn't have civilization they were hunter gathers

>high yeild domesticatable plants
Crops are a result of culture, not the other way around

>Civilization is born where people have to organize themselves to farm, not where it's easy to survive.
Survival was easy nowhere in the ancient world, there's certainly conditions that are common to such places as developed agriculture and the necessary food surplus to develop a civilization complex but we should be careful not to lend credence to nutjob theories eg that northern Europeans had to work hard while people in Hawaii could afford to be lazy and simply kick trees to have fruit fall on their lap, survival in both scenarios was difficult and required different cultural strategies.

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>Crops are a result of culture, not the other way around

Ah no its not people domesticated plants

>Europeans had to work hard while people in Hawaii could afford to be lazy and simply kick trees to have fruit fall on their lap, survival in both scenarios was difficult and required different cultural strategies.

The same peoples who developed the most advanced sea fearing tradition thousand of years the Europeans didn't reach until recently?

Were do you think they got the plant that became corn from?

By your logic terauges and Enuits should have formed the most advanced civilization on the planets

Amerindians had ships?

Polynesians are sub group of austronesians

Civilization isn't linear much like how evolution isn't

What I meant, and tried to illustrate, is that it takes a sustained effort through various generations to produce domesticated plants, avocado is another example, particularly as an important step in its life cycle, the giant sloth, went extinct.

It's cultural tradition that led to high yield crops, it wasn't just lucking out and living in a place where you could find them lying around. This also occured in areas not associated with builders of large cities as in the case of the banana which originated in Papua.

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"Fertile crescent" is looking a bit shit these days desu

So they came to America before Colombus?

Brainlets think africa has always been a heavily populated place when in reality subsaharan africa was comparable to north eurasia in terms of population for most of known history, aka sparsely populated. And as we all know civilisation is entirely dependent on population size, nothing else.

But since white anglo-american white supremacists don't care about north eurasia you never hear them whine that finno-ugrics or north turkic people didn't develop steam power or calculus.

Talking about calculus how does your average white supremacist deal with the fact that the basics of modern calculus were developed almost entirely by shitskins?

>basics of modern calculus were developed almost entirely by shitskins
It wasn't, non europeana did not understabd or utilize any forces around them.

>Talking about calculus how does your average white supremacist deal with the fact that the basics of modern calculus were developed almost entirely by shitskins?

'Generally, modern calculus is considered to have been developed in the 17th century by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz.[4] Today, calculus has widespread uses in science, engineering, and economics.'

Tell us more.

>Africa
>advanced civilisations

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>By your logic terauges and Enuits should have formed the most advanced civilization on the planets
See >there's certainly conditions that are common to such places as developed agriculture and the necessary food surplus to develop a civilization complex

You'll find a lot of people who claim those outside the northern hemisphere's temperate zone "had it easy" as if there was anywhere on earth that adapting to the environment didn't require sofisticated cultural tradition

Possibly

Why isn't Ukraine a superpower then?
I tell you why - because it's full of ukrainians...

NOT based and redpilled.
Reminder that every time you say the word "algebra" you're talking arabic aka you literally have mohammeds dick in your mouth.

Europe is Eurasia, thats one. Two, nearly all foundations of Euro cultures lie with the Indo-Europeans. This isn't shown on thew map because its garbage/uses some ridiculously arbitrary markers/is ideologically motivated.

If you take Ancient Greek culture, for example, its not the political culture of the early Neolithic civs (palace economy, ossified centralization, autarchy) that predated them but one that the later peoples brought with them along with language, religion etc. etc.

Europe stopped being a shithole with the discovery of America, all the knowledge prior to that is chinese, hindi or arab.

PS Do you twats realize we had different climate and geography not long ago? Half of Britain managed to sink since the time we started agriculture.

Algebra is a mathematical tool that was not invented by arabs lmfao

Arabs had no knowledge they had no concept of physics, science or math.

Even in the Medieval engineering was better in Europe than almost anywhere with exception of maybe China. It took whole ages for Middle Eastern powers to appropriate proper canon technology.

The climate has changed so much in 3000 years that there are ancient cities underwater in the Persian gulf now

Where do you think algarisms and alcaline came from? Arabs studied about gravity and heliocentrism 8 centuries before Galileo was born. Even the Qran says physics exist and Allah is not everything.
It was only on the 18th century that europeans started firing canons in angles higher than zero

>Even in the Medieval engineering was better in Europe than almost anywhere
Europeans were unable to best Turkish naval warfare up until the battle of Lepanto and North Africans were raiding Europe as far north as Iceland. Apart from China, India also had quite an advanced material culture and technology.

Exploitation of the Americans did allow Western Europe a surplus such as it was able to sustain the intellectual classes necessary for the enlightenment.

So why the theorems in maths are called with named like Pythagore, Thales, Euclide, Gauss, ect... And not Rachid Abdel Kader, or Pajeet Nashotina, or Chung Lee?

Have you heard about algebra or algorithms?

If they were so advanced, why China didn't discover America but us despite the fact they are closer than us?

Turks literally needed a Frank to make them a cannon to bust down the walls of Constantinople. Even late 16th century Mamluks couldn't make working cannons, not for a lack of trying either.

You skirt around what I said and try to make an impression I'm wrong, because muh naval battle, as if you can't buy equipment or spam more ships. Stop being pathetic. Fact: Europe never stopped churning out complex items like hurdy gurdies, heavy crossbow loading mechanisms, harpischords etc. During Europe's worst periods and before discover of the new world you can find 3-4 places on the globe, all vastly more populated, that did anything like that. Your initial claim was Europe was a shithole, now its "u-u-uh, India was advanced too, you know!"

You disgusting lunatino freaks are so eager to shit on this place because you need to keep the myth alive that European civilisation's success is all due to Iberian robbing Americas. Moldy brained commie cretins, go jump off a cliff/adopt socialism.

PS Heliocentrism was something the Ancient Greeks developed independently.

Are they anterior to Pythagore, Thales, Euclide, and others great Europeans?
I don't think so, but the Brazimutt told all the knowdledge come from China, Hindi and Arabs

Not all khoisan were H&G retard, only the San were.

Hilarious

Reminder that it was thanks to Arabs that Europeans managed to rediscover the great philosophical works of the ancient Greeks.

>Pythagore, Thales
the ancient Greeks weren't Europeans at all, they were Greeks, they'd be very disgusted of some non-Greek claiming to be part of the same kind

hey look the map I posted a few days ago got circulated

anyway it's not as if there is no arable land in SSA--even where there's a white or red pixel there may be acre size patches of green. The problem is they were totally isolated from trade and tech trading with everyone by the saharan desert, and just simply didn't develop the right evolutionary pressures--not having a cold winter is probably part of that.

>just simply didn't develop the right evolutionary pressures--not having a cold winter is probably part of that.

Hogwash. Everyplace has obstacles of survival. "africa" wasn't some garden of Eden retards espouse on Jow Forums. Stop jerking off cold winter like it's some super hard mode. European winters aren't even has harsh as they could be because of coast currents from hotter climates and many of them being near bodies of water.

t.doesnt understand that Ancient Greece was partly shaped by these cultures and vice versa

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